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https://www.theguardian.com/football...h-england-fans

England fans causing trouble or the French police provoking it?

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There was trouble last time England were in France during the world cup there sadly.

Sadly there will always be a element who go abroad to start trouble and the French police certainly won't mess around unlike some other police forces.

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It'll be a combination of those things, including provocation by local yobs. The French don't require the presence of English footy fans to quite enjoy a nice riot and it doesn't take much for their 'police' to resort to batons, gas etc.

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just shows how well we Europeans work together ;)

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Yes, England fans are innocent lambs. Those foreigners force them to fight wherever they go...

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It is a city famous for football violence as well.

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Any other moronic fans causing trouble or is it just the so called England fans?

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years ago I worked in Switzaerland, I became a regular in a pub in Zurich near city centre. It wasn't a football fans pub, just a regular pub, one Saturday afternoon, after last match of the season some of the away fans came in to the pub, the atmosphere was fine, jovial messing about, some-one tooks ome-ones hat, it started getting passed around, then all of a sudden it was chairs being thrown around, the barmen forced the visitor out, closed the shutter,s locking us in, we could hear thudding as the away fans threw the outside plastic chairs at the shutters.

it was pretty scary, I think the person who was most scared was one of the away fans who was coming back from the loo as it all kicked off, so was stuck with loads of "us" between him and his mates, I'm glad to say he got through "us" unharmed.



It's not just England fans who do this sort of thing, but if there is trouble between any other fans it doesn't make our news, whether the locals started it or not.

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Listening to radio 5 Live yesterday, they said the French police use tear gas as a standard operating procedure.

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No there are others as well l hear as Russian fans have been causing trouble as well and one suspects troublemakers from other countries are lying in wait as well.

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Yes watch out for the Welsh nationalists... All their fans have guilty of today is brilliant singing. Maybe England 'fans' could try it. Might be fun.

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Sadly we have that stupid band to listen too on a regular basis.:rolleyes:

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Love how it's all aimed at England, disgraceful scenes from both sides but the racist homophobic Russians appear to be escaping the eye.

Absolutely mortified FIFA have still made no attempt to remove the world cup from Russia despite being the above, constant hooliganism and Racial abuse throughout. Further proof that FIFA still serve absolutely no purpose to world football other than to get rich using it. Merely a month after removing these so called corrupt officials, the new set up were asking for their bribe money back.

This crap was rampant in Poland and its rampant now.

Still absolutely ashamed to see England involved though, fighting over football, cretins.

The Guardian has done a decent job at avoiding implicating Russian fans. Got a message from a lad close by saying a few England fans got into a fight with some Russian fans and police responded to which England fans pelted them with bottles and basically caused a riot. Seems to match the BBCs version of events. Absolute *******s.

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Well the fans are only reacting to being "attacked by French yobs"

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Trouble has followed England for decades, there is a common factor...
Don't know why we worry about immigrants so much, we should worry about the yobs we inflict on others.

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What about The Russian fans that just barged across stands to attack England fans? I suppose that was their fault too because trouble just follows them. The women and children just trampled in the Stade Veledrome might feel annoyed. Outside the stadium the sets of fans were disgraceful on both sides. But what has just taken place in the Stade Veledrome was almost like a scene from Hillsborough and England were in no part to blame. In a non corrupt organisation Russia would immediately be banned from the competition. England will be lucky to escape the same if they're not careful. I'm not saying England fans are angels its just people seem to forget this trouble seems to follow Russia about as well. Don't forget their persistent racial abuse throughout the euros over the years.

France have a lot to answer for after that.

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Please ignore http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36506917 as it may not portray England / the UK as the root of all evil.

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Same point I tried to portray earlier, had a text from a mate who pretty much repeated the main facts in that article. His version has a few England fans and Russians getting into a scrap to which French Police came charging in then fired off tear gas to which England fans pelted them with bottles and chairs which Russians followed with and a few to the side still scrapping with each other.

I have no doubt England fans somehow baited those Russians to attack them at the end of the game there either. I wonder if the Guardian figures out a way to implicate them.

English fans having to jump fences and climb seats in a mad rush to escape the charging Russians. Some sort of a bad joke merely a month or so since the final Hillsborough verdict. Talks of terror attacks the Russians lit two flares and a firework.. A firework in a football stadium in a country that's on high alert for terrorism for a major tournament. You couldn't make it up.

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what i did see on the news last night was it takes 8 Russians to beat up 1 English man who is lying on the ground must be great to be that hard :rolleyes:

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You must really hate the country the country you live in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36510550

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What went on in the stadium yesterday certainly seemed to be organised Russian thuggery. But there was trouble for days before and their were certainly England 'fans' involved. They may have been provoked but they don't have to react. There always has been an element of England 'support' who see beer and fighting as part of the entertainment, can't be a coincidence its always England. The organisation of the Russian thugs is a new worrying development, seemed very planned, wonder who was behind it?

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No ones saying that England did nothing though, it's just some biased outlets merely reported England fans clashed with French Police when it was actually a case of pockets of fans from either side clashing with each other only to throw bottles at police when they intervened. England weren't innocent outside the stadium but there was more than one guilty party. The truth is they're not average England fans either, they're the same breed of cretins that were fighting over Man united vs Everton at a service station for the FA Cup match

Also 'Organised' Russians, you're not wrong but it isn't new, see the 5000 yobs that charged Poland in 2008 and caused major clashes.

Charge all the England fans involved if they can be identified and remove their passports when they get home.

Moving away from just England. Charging fans in a packed stadium is an absolutely astonishing event. 2 flares a flare gun and a firework also made it into the Stade Veledrome.
Uefa slapping them with another petty fine after starting something that I'm sure quickly reminded everyone of scenes at Hillsborough. Children and Women being pushed over in a mad rush of fans trying to escape a lynch mob covered with balaclavas.

France have massive questions to answer asap. The utter failure to segregate fans, the fact flares and fireworks made it into a football stadium with significant terror attacks still in their mind has people mind boggled.

I thought London 2012 set the absolute standard for security at stadiums for massive events like this, its clear they've used a different example.

I worked on a 17 man VIP team at the 2012 games, with the Spanish, Honduran, Mexican and Brazilian u21 football teams. It's the procedure LOCOG enforced to get into stadiums that should be the example worldwide. If these standards were used then there's absolutely no way flares and fireworks made it in. If they still do make it in then security employees are failing miserably at their job.

St James' Park, Hampden Park and some I struggle to remember.

Airport style scanner on each turnstile with a queue system for people to put their belongings into a tray. After proceding through the scanner you may be manually scanned down with a wand and it was mandatory you submitted to thorough search of all bags and coats as well as yourself (pat down) by one of three security staff waiting beyond the scanners. Turnstiles opened hours before games and there were minimal complaints.

It wouldnt effectively stop hooligans getting in but it'd stop offensive and prohibited items. They even went as far as attempting to smuggle fake bombs in to find any holes to be exposed and then patched over them. Even after the G4s scabdal, the use of local security went extremely well.

I'd be interested to know what the French policy for entry to the stadium is though. If its similar I'd like to know why employees are failing at their jobs in such a high profile event.

All in all its pretty clear nothing at all has changed in Russian football and it's doubtful it ever will. Fans from all over the world will descend into a World Cup rife with Racism, hooliganism and homophobia. What an epic success by those involved. The Russian FA are just as guilty. They've made no real attempt to remove this stuff from their domestic league either. As normal FIFA and Uefa will likely do nothing significant and the World Cup will go on as normal and be marred with larger scale racism, violence and whatever else follows.

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There are hooligans from many countries on the continent l can assure you Mr K apart from us so one needs to have a rational view of things rather then listen to the media and some other people always saying its just the English who are always trouble.

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At this rate you're going to need to submit to CRB checks to purchase tickets for a football match abroad. At the same rate I can't say that's a bad thing right now. I hate Thatcher but she was vital to ridding the English divisions of this nonsense.

Now and then it flares up and I should know more than most given the Newcastle vs Sunderland scenes a few years ago in which some absolute ******* jabbed a police horse.

If the Russians get anything less than a stadium ban I'd be amazed. I think that will then lead to furtger violence. That doesn't stop them creating another mob the size of the one in Poland 8 years ago to storm the streets.

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Look it does seem Russia caused the problems but when you see how we traveled to France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUex...ature=youtu.be then I think we aren't helping matters.

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I thought you were going to be serious but you posted a pretty much identical comment and link to one I saw on reddit last night. A surprisingly enjoyable comedy.Unfortunately for some outlets, the media seemed to have steered onto what happened after the final whistle. I don't think anyone disagrees that England fans were involved in pre fight brawls. Many witnesses say the same thing. Both sets of fans in pockets scrapping with each other followed by pelting police with bottles. Its plain hooliganism.

What happened in the stadium further creates Questions on how Russia or their fans are still allowed to travel to major tournaments. It also brings back the same unanswered question.. How can we possibly have a world cup in this country?

FIFA was useless then and its just as useless now. Cut the head off the Hydra and another grows back. Removed a few key members and left the rest of those responsible to rebuild. As I also said earlier, those left then had the audacity to ask for their bribe money back. Claims of fixing the damage to FIFA are bogus and even worse so they're failing to fix the damage that's already been done. Qatar and Russia. I feel for Russia as a football team because there's simply no punishment other than A) Removal from the tournament. B) A points deduction or C) A Russian fan stadium ban. These are the only options that reflect what happened.

All in all the true damage of that affects the Russian team but what else can be done? They've completely failed to stamp this stuff out of their domestic league and have never really shown any attempt to do so.

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Just can't see why soccer fans behave like this while rugger fans (generally) don't? You should be able to just attend any match you can get tickets for, sit anywhere and support whoever. If you want to go to a match with a group of friends who support different teams you should be able to sit together. If anyone on the pitch does something special you should be able to applaud it regardless of the team he plays for.

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As for searching on way in that's OK but I can't be wanded as it may affect my pacemaker. I do have a pacemaker card to that affect. This would apply at airports too so will see how things go on trip to Cyprus later this year, first flight since PMI.

But smuggling stuff in seems to be possible. Remember the silly rule about bagpipes at the last rugby world cup but someone still got a set in. Different to getting offensive weapons in though (mind you some would put the pipes in that category).

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150 Russians 'behind' Euro 2016 violence say French prosecutors.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36515213

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While violence at a football match should never be condoned this was a deliberate attack by a group of trained Russian thugs and it wasn't just 150 of them there were groups of them all over the place provoking and starting trouble. England fans were in a lousy position do you stand by watching fellow fans including women and kids get attacked by roaming groups of thugs or do you try and help them. Personally if I see a bunch of thugs attacking women and kids I'm going to wade in and try and stop them as that's the right thing to do of course I wouldn't need to do that if the local police are doing their jobs but they were not and only seemed to get involved once they had greater numbers.

I've only been to one football match in the last five years where Russian's were attending and fortunately I was in an executive box as they were violent at that match as well as a group of them always seems too. Their thugs are being congratulated back in Russia and urged to "keep up the good work" doesn't it make you want to attend the world cup.

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The only time l go to football matches is when with my family come down here and basically you are treated like cattle going to market l always find and to me that's a big turn off personally.

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Stick to non-league Den, far more passion and value for money. You can have a drink, some soggy chips and nice chat with the other supporter (if they turn up). Talking of which don't miss 'Rovers' on Sky1, its very true to non - league life.

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Yes l will try Rovers on Sky 1 Mr K.

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One woman said, "If it hadn't been for fellow Englishmen standing their ground and protecting women & children in the bar/café she was at with her kids, she dreads to think what the outcome would have been.

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I think we should boycott the World Cup in Russia 2018, unless the get stripped of it.

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There is no chance of them being stripped of the World Cup in my opinion as money and influence talk in the corrupt organizations of FIFA and UEFA.

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Speaking to a fellow Liverpool fan today he was adamant that if it wasn't for the English fans fighting the Russians a lot more English would have been seriously injured, he took his son for his first football match and because of what happened his last. Seems roving gangs of Russians were walking around attacking anyone they felt like including women and children disgusting behaviour and yeah to be honest right now I'd rather the FA pulled England out of the world cup as FIFA have lined their pockets too much to pull it. As far as the French police there are a lot of questions for them to answer as they seem to have been absent during much of the violence only showing up after things had got out of control and not listening to what people were trying to tell them.

Unlike other occasions this time it seems as though the England fans were just trying to defend fellow fans from a group of thugs who had no interest in football beyond providing them with many victims. Maybe before people spout off they should take the time to find out about what actually happened. Unless of course there are people here who seeing women and children being pushed to the ground and stamped on would have ignored it, as I said I'd have piled right in on any **** doing that and damn the consequences and it seems many other fans felt the same.

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To be totally honest with you. I am getting fed up to the back teeth with people saying its English fans causing the problem.
I was a football fan when the hooligan element was about. in the 70s and 80's when it was really bad. Then several years ago Spurs were playing a European game at White Hart Lane. I think we were playing a Turkish side, and then suddenly in the next section, some bright spark decides to bring out a flag of a Nation that is hated by Turkey. This started mayhem - and this is t Tottenham.

I don't care what anyone says that when you play abroad, you will get thugs from Germany, France and Holland, that will bring Hard fans intent on causing aggro.
Several weeks ago, the media picked up leaflets saying that England fans were NOT SAFE in France, and bingo we have the Russians, who are beating English fans to bits.

English fans always get blamed for fighting, and yet, the Russian fans - who have been PRAISED by the own football association for massive brawls against ENGLISH FANS.

We already have One Fan dead, when he fell off a walkway - and the local police say it was drink. Another fan with brain damaged after being attacked by Russian fans.

And today we hear that an ENGLISH fan was hit with iron bars.

English fans have a right to defend themselves, against thugs - and yet WE get blamed for causing it.

Yesterday, we say RUSSIAN fans and Local fans go into a market place and literally wreck a restaurant full of ENGLISH fans, and other customers.

And what happened, the Russian fans get away, and bingo ENGLISH fans get arrested. And get prison sentences.

And one father has stated that he will fight to clear his son, for what he claims is miscarriage of justice.

So, before members jump on the bandwagon and say - Its all about English fans, causing the problem. Its not.

And as for England being thrown out, well it would be a blessing. On the performance the other day.

Hodgson needs his head examined - Kane taking corners, Vardy on the bench ? and then we have in the papers ' what is Hodgson doing' Taking Rooney off.

I think Hodgson needs a new job. And its not managing England

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England will be kicked out of Europe sooner than they think as they're playing the best team in the World on Thursday ;)

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Tissues at the ready chaps....:bigcry::bigcry:

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Even the French authorities have blamed a gang of around 150 organised Russian thugs for most of the serious trouble but there are still those amongst us who just love to tar all the English with the same brush. I don't know why they feel the need to do it. It's quite bizarre.

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I really don't like football at all, let alone enough to masturbate over it Den.

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Yep in the scheme of things its certainly not very important compared to far more important things in our life like our family and other things.

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I've picked it up, its not a massively great comedy but its very watchable and likeable at times. Just a shame its 30 minutes a week and not an hour.

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36528403

Russia given suspended disqualification.

In all likelyhood we'll see that enforced after their match tomorrow. Not that it'll mean much if they fail to win anyway.

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Well the way it is going a Russian Coach was stopped full of thugs today. They will be sent home on Thursday

And they l assume England will be home just after. As they have to beat Wales. And sadly, l cannot see that happen. According to Media today, Vardy could be on the bench again.

Did anyone read the article from Joe Barton today. He was very critical of Hodgson today, and how he was selecting his team.

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Could it be Joey thinks he should have been selected ? As he's the biggest thug ever to set foot on a football field , with convictions for violence, probably best he wasn't. He's worse than the hooligans.

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Again they got flares inside the stadium, so much for French security. :rolleyes:

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They could not organise a **** up in a brewery in my opinion.:td:

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Seems russians are causing more trouble in Lille at this rate FIFA won't have a choice I know a few who had been planning to go to the world cup have now shelved their plans sad when football becomes a risk.

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And yet the British media have blamed us again mostly this morning.

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England fans were being ******s too. Deliberately trying to wind up French police with chants and then pelted bottles at them again.

Its exactly the same as a few days ago when both sets of fans were being absolute ****. What went on inside the stadium was pretty astonishing and lies solely on Russia but thua far both England and Russian fans have been tarred by pockets of ******s. All Uefa's silence does is confirm the shambles of an organisation they are. Empty threats no doubt, threatening disqualification that now serves literally no purpose given their group standing.

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l am not excusing English fans as they are just as bad as the others but the British media always try to make out that is just the English that are the hooligans when in my opinion the vast majority of countries in Europe have hooligans within their midst..

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The video of English fans throwing coins to refugees and mocking them is embarrasing. Its typical behaviour for Russians throughout but I can't help but think the media leaning toward England is because they expected better from a country that rid hooliganism from their domestic league.

Without corruption please tell me how anyone on this planet awarded Russia the world cup. I'd love to know what positive factors FIFA members came up with to counter the following.

- Rampant Hooliganism both domestic and abroad
- Persistent Racism both domestic and abroad as well as generally being an intolerant country full stop.
- Intolerance - Homophobia
- A generally corrupt country - Police etc.

Besides bribes, what could possibly be positive enough to select them as World Cup hosts?

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l think most people now know that bribery was involved in awarding the World Cup to Russia and Qatar but the hardest thing is proving it.

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I don't think you should really need such proof. I think the key points are enough to leave FIFA with no other plausible explanation in why they voted Russia to host a world cup. They haven't even tried to swing it either, they've just taken back handers and rigged it without diving into the above facts about Russian football and Russia as a nation. The same then applies to Qatar. Should we ever be hosting a World Cup in a country that fails to meet basic civilised laws of other countries in the world.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar and even Brazil in its current state should be nowhere near a world cup. The world cup is meant for everyone, I see that but I honestly believe it should be set on a country that has standards and laws that match those of the travelling supporters or reflect on what those fans already understand. Hundreds of thousands of people will descend on Qatar and essentially be vacationing in a separate world to the rest of us. Thus far they've only violated every human rights law known to man though :rolleyes: so we'll see how our World cup goes.

The solution for Russia is simple but they'll never act. A DQ at this stage is utterly dismal and hopeless. An actual message would be disqualifying them from the 2018 world cup. That would be hilarious and at the same time show that the governing bodies of football still have testicles.

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Whilst l agree with your points there is diddly squat chance of the World Cup being taken away from Russia and Qatar in my opinion.