Poll: Stay or leave the EU.
 

I've created this poll to indicate how CF members will be voting in the forthcoming referendum.

What some people do to ensure that their vote is counted, but don't favour any of the options, is to put a large X across the whole of the ballot paper.

All votes are confidential and the poll will close on the day that the actual referendum takes place.

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This has already been done but I guess some people may have changed their minds.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...eferendum.html

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Seems ok to do a new poll, the other one is a couple of months old now.

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Didn't realise that this had been done previously.

It'll be interesting to compare the two.

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Yes. Well my vote certainly hasn't changed. ;)

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Nor mine. :angel:

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Vote done no surprise in my choice lol.

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I'm more certain than I have ever been about getting out.

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As of right now I think remain will edge it but likely not with a margin large enough to make this issue go away. There certainly seems to be a momentum towards leave at the minute but who knows what doom and gloom is waiting to hit the public. I have never been a supporter of negative campaigning and if we do vote to remain it will send all the wrong messages to politicians who will revert to it by default in future turning more people off politics and voting, maybe that's the plan.

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Leave, but sadly that'll not be the result.

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I think that this result would be very useful.

A lot of people I've spoken to are broadly in favour of us being in the EU, but are fed up of certain elements, mainly immigration.

My hope would be that if a very marginal vote to remain was the outcome, our Government could tell the EU that their people voted to stay but only by a cats whisker and that to appease us they they need to address the areas of concern.

The bookies are laying odds on it being a 71% result in favour of us staying in the EU.

There have been claims that the registration deadline was only extended because the Government believes that it's mainly young people who left it to the last minute and that they are more likely to vote for us to stay in the EU.

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Sadly my experience so far has been younger voters will vote to remain not because they have taken anytime to research things but are swayed by very trivial reasons like roaming charges and cost of holidays. Bit depressing to be honest but it is what it is.

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It's all about immigration, border control and national sovereignty.

I vote out.

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There as good a reason as any, things that actually effect them rather than things people think affect them

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That's the thing with border controls, iirc last year immigration from outside the EU which we can control was greater than immigration from inside the EU which we can't.

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Nor mine. It can't. I've already voted in the referendum.

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I will take great pleasure in walking into the polling station and voting NO :)

I had made my mind up when it was agreed to have the referendum and have not been watching or reading any on the news and tv coverage. I have no time for the EU and never will.

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The question here is, would it be in the EU's best interest to slap charges on that would increase the cost of holidays? And once they have your tourism, would it be in their interest to scrap the roaming charges?

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Your preaching to the choir Brian we know that Spain, Italy and Portugal are not going to favour anything that would increase holiday prices thus damaging their tourism income and as far as roaming charges if they do increase post brexit it will be an act of pettiness.

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Happily CF isn't a representative sample ;) Online polling has proved more favourable for Brexit, telephone polling for remain. The 10 point lead for Brexit in the latest Independent poll was online, the same sort of poll that proved very misleading in the GE .

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i will interpret that boys n girls

i don't like the poll results they don't support my side :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

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My vote is still the same. OUT

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My vote is still the same. OUT

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Of course it is, I guess it just doesnt represent what you want ;)

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Life without roaming, whatever next eh? Can't be disconnected from the old social media for 5 mins. without going cold turkey... :)

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It's a representative sample of the views of those registered with this forum. The political leanings of the members of this forum do tend to sway to the right from what i've seen generally, so the result is probably influenced by that.

It doesn't claim to be scientific or represent the population as a whole.

At the time of writing the result is more or less the opposite of what the bookies are saying ie 70% of CF members are in favour of us leaving V a 71% predicted result to stay.

Those who can't make up their mind (or those that can but want to do it out of interest) are invited to take this quiz put together by experts:

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/ca...ast_2016-06-09

It's confidential, but you can share the result here if you wish.

I'm one of the many undecided, but this test says that I am 52% in and 48% out.

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What's the point of polls? To try and predict the final result. Even the professional polling companies are showing very different results depending on whether the poll is online or done by telephone. (Online favours Brexit, Phone polls tend to favour remain).
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9687

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Online results are usually obtained by inviting people to participate in their own time and don't involve interacting with another person.

Telephone polls are usually done by cold calling people at random, so there may be a factor of annoyance, just wanting to get rid of them or embarrassment about giving the true answer.

It's for these reasons I believe the online poll to be more accurate ie a vote to leave.

However, the result predicted by the bookies involves them making or paying out hard cash and they are predicting a 71% share to remain.

You are right in that the various polls are giving contradictory results, I think that this goes to show that a lot of voters are confused or uncertain at this stage.

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Just done this, and I'm 100% out!

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"You are 75% out."

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97% out

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62% In. Anyone who is 100% anything is a dangerous person (!)

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are you 100% sure about that

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I think it shows that just as in the GE, polling companies are still using unreprentative samples. e.g. I'm ex-directory, don't give my phone no out, and opt out of marketing but will vote. How do they cover people like this in their results?

I still think there will be a late swing to the status quo (remain) in the final days from those that are still undecided. When forced to make a choice many will opt for the safe no change option. Happened in the GE and Scots referendums. That would make most polling look silly again.

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No, 99% sure ;)

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82% in.

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If you are a person, as I am, who believes that Britain should have complete control over British taxes, laws, borders and immigration, and that only a British Parliament, elected by the British people, should have any say over the above, then 100% for leaving is the only result possible.

Membership of the EU, at any level, would dilute British sovereignty and full control of the above items would be impossible. The EU wants a United states of Europe; compromise on that plan is not an option for them.

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So does membership of NATO dilute British control of our Armed Forces, and does British membership of the UKUSA community weaken our Sigintbcapabilities?

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As an undecided voter, i've been doing some research today to help me decide.

The general consensus is that neither the remain or leave campaigners are able to accurately predict what will happen either way.

This blog seems to sum things up (and doesn't attempt to persuade people either way):

http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/20...eu-referendum/

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There is a difference between cooperation between international organisations and those same organisations determining some of our laws and taxes etc.

Cooperation between Sovereign nations is good

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really the EU and the UK are the same thing then. Scotland Wales and NI while having control of somethings are at the hands of England dictating things....

Somethings are better that way,

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93% out guess the jokes on them I'm 100% that we need out but again I've heard the repeated rubbish that leaving the EU is running away from the world and turning our back blah blah blah. I have not spoken to anyone supporting leave that wants us to be insular and doing anything other then developing good trade and diplomatic relations all round the globe certain remain supporters need to try and shovel less brown stuff around. Also I don't think leaving will be all snowflakes and unicorns and there will be a short term economic hit but it will be a hit that we will be able to manage and wipe out as we trade more freely with more nations.

Let's not kid ourselves that staying in the EU is economically safe because before this referendum started quite a few economists were warning of numerous economic problems within the EU though they all seem to be encouraging the uk to now remain clearly people of great conviction. This is the real world swings and roundabouts there are no guarantees economically never have been but what is guaranteed is if we leave we and we alone can set our own rules and trade and diplomatic treaties for the main benefit of the uk and if we remain in the EU those things will be decided for us.

Independence and sovereignty are more important to many of us and more important then short term economics and I think that's what we see and think a lot of people interpret that as those in the leave camp don't think there will be economic hits from leaving but it's just they value other things more.

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You know whose paying fortunes to run their own private polls and keeping the results secret, poxy banks so they can bet on the outcome with a rigged deck, it's enough to make me want to lie to pollsters just in case it's for the shysters

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Neither option is guaranteed purely because no one can guarantee it.

My own opinion is that economically, we are safer IN Europe. Other countries won't magically give us favourable terms because we have left Europe. They will give us favourable terms IF we can offer them something. Previously, that something has often been easy access to the other countries in the European Union. Leaving Europe won't mean that all our trading agreements magically disappear. They won't. However, the terms offered when the agreements expire and need to be renegotiated won't necessarily be as good as they are now. They may be better, be may be worse. We don't know.

Regarding the economic problems in the EU, I would argue that due to the way the international financial markets work, we would still be affected by economic problems within the EU regardless of whether we are in or not. We were affected by the recession caused by the problems with sub prime lending in the US after all, and arguably still are. At least if we are in Europe, we may be in a position to influence things, and possibly reduce the impact on our economy.

As for setting our own laws, that again is a case of swings and roundabouts. Remember, the people running our own government aren't necessarily working for the rights of the voters. In fact, our government negotiated away working week limits that the EU was trying to impose on us, because apparently it's perfectly adequate for people making life or death decisions to have to work >50 hours a week. This, I suspect, is why we were apparently the ONLY european country whose government did not attempt to educate the populace about the Maastricht treaty. They also passively encouraged companies like Phorm to spy on internet users, a practice they stopped when the EU stepped in, saying it violated EU surveillance laws. That's two examples, there are others.

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100% out I've not seen anything from the remain side to get me to vote

DC said in his own words if he didn't get what he wanted/promised us out of the negotiations he would lead the leave campaign out of the EU himself.

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and instead he's leading the remain campaign so he either got what he went for[nothing] or he's a liar .

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That was of course what is known as a lie. There was no way he or any other remotely competent politician would advocate leaving the EU. Even he's not that stupid. The whole 'renegotiation: was a charade by Dave/the EU for the British publics benefit. Even if the referendum doesn't go his way, the UK won't be leaving the EU, a way will be found.

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I'm sure is we do vote to leave, the EU will suck us dry "to help the refugees" or whatever during the years of exit negotiations.

And (low skill or no skill) immigration from the EU will rise faster than ever before.

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so your backing the remain campaign even though you know its totally dishonest and run by a liar who has no interest in democracy .

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Yes all those things are true. But despite being a lying toad, he just happens to be right. He's still finished though, whatever the result, his own party will see to that.

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You mean the one that was recently voted in by this country and it's democratic electoral process :)

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and look how that turned out :(

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David Cameron has stepped now so the remain campaign is being run by Gordon Brown ....a liar who has no interest in democracy

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Gordon Brown - the man who broke the cycle of boom and bust whilst thinking that people who dare to be concerned about mass uncontrolled migration are bigots. Good choice.

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So where is Dave this week, hiding under the stairs? At least Gordon has come to the aid of his best buddy ;)

Does the fact that people usually very opposed to each other have agreed they need speak as one? All main political leaders/ Bank of England/ CBI / Unions / IMF. Are they all wrong? On the other side comedy cuts - Farage & Boris, loveable eccentric posh idiots.

I sense a lot of people have their fingers in their ears going la la la at the moment. I blame Dave's lies.... However when they get to the ballot box and think about their pensions/ house value/ interest rates/ investments - then immigration won't get a look in.

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Yes .They have been wrong about just about everything from Iraq,Europe and the economy why the hell should we trust any of them to tell us to stay or leave the EU .

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Yup, look where their track record has got us.

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War , rubbish economy (world wide) ,ever rising terrorism and a social elite that think they are untouchable ,yep i really trust our top politicians and financial institutions ..........NOT.

Re: Poll: Stay or leave the EU.
 

YOU ARE 61% OUT

Your most important issue is democracy

Pretty alarming someone being 97% out. Scary polarised.

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You trust them to run the country though ..

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says who ?

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And you're backing leave knowing pretty much the same about them

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Says the recent election results

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