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Sephiroth 02-06-2016 18:48

RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Upstream bonded channels
Channel ID Frequency(Hz) Modulation Power (dBmV) Mode Channel Bandwidth(Hz) Symbol Rate (ksps)
5 46200000 ATDMA 43.3 16 qam 6400000 5120
8 25800000 ATDMA 43.3 16 qam 6400000 5120
7 32600000 ATDMA 43.2 16 qam 6400000 5120
6 39400000 ATDMA 43 16 qam 6400000 5120

Happened yesterday much to my surprise.

Cisco CMTS with 16DS channels.

heardd05 02-06-2016 19:17

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
congrats seph it begins :) david

JordanTheToaster 02-06-2016 20:34

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Now i want it

Sephiroth 02-06-2016 20:51

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
I wouldn't mind the 300 meg but they force you to take a stupid phone line. Have you noticed how all the contracts with phone lines are 18 months so that you get milked for something quite useless?

JordanTheToaster 02-06-2016 21:40

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35840751)
I wouldn't mind the 300 meg but they force you to take a stupid phone line. Have you noticed how all the contracts with phone lines are 18 months so that you get milked for something quite useless?

Yeah it is stupid but i took the pain of paying more just for the upload and soon more upload.

Ignitionnet 03-06-2016 09:09

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Good stuff, although I was expecting to see posts on this last month ;)

There was a firmware issue making this harder on the Arris kit but hopefully that's sorted too and that platform can receive the same treatment.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35840749)
Now i want it

Shouldn't be too much longer before you'll be getting about the same as the VM Ireland customers.

Gobble 03-06-2016 09:59

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840783)
Good stuff, although I was expecting to see posts on this last month ;)

There was a firmware issue making this harder on the Arris kit but hopefully that's sorted too and that platform can receive the same treatment.

Meanwhile in sunny Leeds on a cBR-8, I'm still only on 8 DS channels on a hub 3, albeit at least with 64QAM on my 2 channels.

Synthetic 03-06-2016 14:08

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Just checked mine and I seem to have 1 channel 32 qam and 1 64 qam... they both used to be 64.

Seems a bit weird they're mismatched?

http://i.imgur.com/Czn6mDQ.png

Gobble 03-06-2016 14:12

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Might be wrong and we all know I'll be corrected if I am... but I believe that QAM on Upstream steps down to 32/16 when something isn't right... like powel levels possibly?

Synthetic 03-06-2016 14:21

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Hmm, as far as I can see they're in spec, DS are 2/3+

Gobble 03-06-2016 14:25

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Yeah, I'm not sure on the reason that it does step down, just used power levels as an example. It might be something to do with noise as higher modulation presents more noise, but how you can visualise that from the router GUI I couldn't say.

heero_yuy 03-06-2016 16:34

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gobble (Post 35840842)
Yeah, I'm not sure on the reason that it does step down, just used power levels as an example. It might be something to do with noise as higher modulation presents more noise, but how you can visualise that from the router GUI I couldn't say.

Higher modulations require a more noise free channel. If the noise is too great and the error rate commensurately higher then the modulation can step down. In the very worst case it'll drop to QPSK.

As the modulation drops to lower levels the amount of effective power increases and helps the SNR.

vm_tech 03-06-2016 16:44

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35840749)
Now i want it

You won't be getting 4 upstreams in Bath anytime soon...

Ignitionnet 03-06-2016 18:08

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vm_tech (Post 35840866)
You won't be getting 4 upstreams in Bath anytime soon...

Bath need an overbuild?

ccarmock 03-06-2016 19:23

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
LOL New Malden is usually last :-)

alanbjames 03-06-2016 20:54

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
I wonder when Swansea will get it?

JordanTheToaster 03-06-2016 20:56

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vm_tech (Post 35840866)
You won't be getting 4 upstreams in Bath anytime soon...

Why you always trying to ruin my fun :rolleyes:

Ignitionnet 03-06-2016 21:13

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ccarmock (Post 35840894)
LOL New Malden is usually last :-)

New Malden was I believe overbuilt already for the last 10:1 ratio upgrade stuff so may not be as late this time around.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35840907)
I wonder when Swansea will get it?

The situation is much the same as it was when you asked, err, 9 days ago.

It's not really so great when someone who's apparently 64 is competing with someone who's apparently 18 in terms of obsession with network capacity and impatience.

JordanTheToaster 03-06-2016 21:16

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
You make it sound like its a bad thing

Ignitionnet 03-06-2016 21:18

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35840909)
Why you always trying to ruin my fun :rolleyes:

A fair few areas won't as they are being overbuilt to increase bandwidth in both directions.

When I'm talking about bandwidth in that regard I'm talking about RF bandwidth, not Mbps.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35840916)
You make it sound like its a bad thing

A word very close to 'bad' came to mind.

JordanTheToaster 03-06-2016 21:20

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Yeah it is sad but I've always wanted the best that's always been my thing.

Ignitionnet 03-06-2016 21:24

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35840921)
Yeah it is sad but I've always wanted the best that's always been my thing.

You certainly seem to have access to far more resources than most who're 18.

Regardless you have the best VM offer for right now. Impatience won't get anything deployed faster.

JordanTheToaster 03-06-2016 21:27

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840923)
You certainly seem to have access to far more resources than most who're 18.

Regardless you have the best VM offer for right now. Impatience won't get anything deployed faster.

I've always put a few things ahead in my monthly budget then others since i was forced to move here last November, kinda glad this flat had Virgin now.

jalzoo 03-06-2016 21:29

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35840751)
I wouldn't mind the 300 meg but they force you to take a stupid phone line. Have you noticed how all the contracts with phone lines are 18 months so that you get milked for something quite useless?

I'm on 300 and haven't got the phone line.

Ignitionnet 03-06-2016 21:34

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35840925)
I've always put a few things ahead in my monthly budget then others since i was forced to move here last November, kinda glad this flat had Virgin now.

Ah enjoy it before responsibilities kick in and mean your priorities have to change.

JordanTheToaster 03-06-2016 21:38

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840929)
Ah enjoy it before responsibilities kick in and mean your priorities have to change.

Good ol life is about to show me that it loves me being kicking me right in the responsibilitys.

ileikcaek 04-06-2016 03:57

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
My area is still on old Motorola BSR 64k's I believe, so I'm sure we wont be seeing anything beyond the 12 DS and 2 QAM16 US that we have right now, until the new CMTS' are rolled out here. Ex NTL area in East Kent.

I'm assuming 2 x QAM16 is not enough for any faster than the current upstream offering, so upgrades will have to be done before we see 10:1 again, if VM does decide to go ahead with the rumoured boosts.

Ignitionnet 04-06-2016 09:40

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
I don't think they would release on anything other than the Arris or new Cisco kit, however hopefully that's all that would be needed.

Gets somewhat more time consuming if they have to start overbuilding the stuff in cabinets as they will in some areas.

On the positive side when that's done those areas have tons of capacity and will be more ready for DOCSIS 3.1 with big upstreams.

alanbjames 04-06-2016 10:01

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840914)
New Malden was I believe overbuilt already for the last 10:1 ratio upgrade stuff so may not be as late this time around.

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The situation is much the same as it was when you asked, err, 9 days ago.

It's not really so great when someone who's apparently 64 is competing with someone who's apparently 18 in terms of obsession with network capacity and impatience.

i just want more upload.

Ignitionnet 04-06-2016 10:57

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35841013)
i just want more upload.

Bond a couple of FTTC lines, or get one of these. Problem solved.

Kushan 04-06-2016 12:16

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
I don't think being enthusiastic about network upgrades is sad. We could do with more of it, I'm a firm believer that top notch infrastructure would benefit the country as a whole and pay for itself in no time at all.

JordanTheToaster 04-06-2016 20:49

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35841028)
I don't think being enthusiastic about network upgrades is sad. We could do with more of it, I'm a firm believer that top notch infrastructure would benefit the country as a whole and pay for itself in no time at all.

Someone gets it.

Synthetic 04-06-2016 22:37

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Well now one of my upstream channels Is down to 16,and maxing out about 2meg up, hopefully it's just some work being done, although there's nothing on the service checker...

Kushan 05-06-2016 11:25

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
IF nothing is on the service centre, treat it as a fault. Don't tell support about the QAM, just tell them you've got slow upload speeds.

General Maximus 05-06-2016 16:01

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35841022)
Bond a couple of FTTC lines, or get one of these. Problem solved.

:Yikes::Yikes::Yikes: £2000/month for 100mbits-1gbit

Kushan 05-06-2016 16:44

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35841217)
:Yikes::Yikes::Yikes: £2000/month for 100mbits-1gbit

To be fair, they can actually be much cheaper than this if you go via someone else (it'll still end up being BT most likely). We pay (still quite a lot) £500 a month for 50/50 and that's from a contract that's over 2 years old, come renewal time we're expecting that to be much cheaper and I'd expect 100Mbit or better for that price.

Does depend on location though.

Sephiroth 05-06-2016 17:29

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Remember, Kush, that this is a non-contended line. If it was shared by 200 aggregated users, that would notionally be covered by £2.50/month from each user (plus the costs of any aggregating equipment).

Ignitionnet 05-06-2016 20:41

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35841028)
I don't think being enthusiastic about network upgrades is sad. We could do with more of it, I'm a firm believer that top notch infrastructure would benefit the country as a whole and pay for itself in no time at all.

I agree, which is why I'm enthused by such upgrades. This isn't one of them. DOCSIS 3.1 interests me, as do G.fast or FTTP on the Openreach side.

The original upstream uplift was a much larger increase proportionately and involved a new technology. This is pretty disinteresting relatively.

alanbjames 06-06-2016 00:53

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Some of us dont have endless money.

Kushan 06-06-2016 11:31

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35841232)
Remember, Kush, that this is a non-contended line. If it was shared by 200 aggregated users, that would notionally be covered by £2.50/month from each user (plus the costs of any aggregating equipment).

Yeah, our line is uncontended as well, but we don't share it with anyone :P

We're in a business centre with many other businesses and it baffles me that the owners don't just fork out for a beefy leased line to rent to the individual businesses like that. Instead, there's literally tens of fibre points coming into the building, to the point where they had to drill a hole in one of the boxes in the basement to be able to roll out additional fibre to our office :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35841297)
Some of us dont have endless money.

It's intended for businesses to be fair and is less about the bandwidth and more about the SLA, because for many businesses a single minute of downtime can mean £hundreds (or more) in losses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35841265)
I agree, which is why I'm enthused by such upgrades. This isn't one of them. DOCSIS 3.1 interests me, as do G.fast or FTTP on the Openreach side.

The original upstream uplift was a much larger increase proportionately and involved a new technology. This is pretty disinteresting relatively.

Surely that's a little objective? I agree with you that the next-generation technologies are by far the most interesting things, but even just knowing that network upgrades are occurring is exciting to us lot that don't have inside knowledge :P

JordanTheToaster 06-06-2016 12:46

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Besides the point that 3.1 is probably going to take a bloody long time to roll out in the next 2-3 years if at all.

vm_tech 06-06-2016 17:05

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35841358)
Yeah, our line is uncontended as well, but we don't share it with anyone :P

We're in a business centre with many other businesses and it baffles me that the owners don't just fork out for a beefy leased line to rent to the individual businesses like that. Instead, there's literally tens of fibre points coming into the building, to the point where they had to drill a hole in one of the boxes in the basement to be able to roll out additional fibre to our office P

VM have just launched a shared MIA service for things like office blocks...

Ignitionnet 07-06-2016 09:03

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35841371)
Besides the point that 3.1 is probably going to take a bloody long time to roll out in the next 2-3 years if at all.

;)

EDIT: Just FYI upstream enhancements will take a little while too, especially in areas that need rebuilds.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vm_tech (Post 35841407)
VM have just launched a shared MIA service for things like office blocks...

Yes I've seen the FTTB service. Good call.

JordanTheToaster 07-06-2016 12:32

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Your such a bloody tease I'm just going to say that now STOP WITH THE DAMN WINKY FACES I NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE HIDING.

Broken Hope 07-06-2016 18:22

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840783)
Good stuff, although I was expecting to see posts on this last month ;)

There was a firmware issue making this harder on the Arris kit but hopefully that's sorted too and that platform can receive the same treatment.[COLOR="Silver"]

There also appears to be a firmware issue on the Arris kit that causes SH3's in modem mode to lose connection almost exactly every 30 minutes... which makes no sense since the SH3 is also Arris kit, but people on the Cisco setup haven't reported the issue.

General Maximus 07-06-2016 20:20

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
all hail Cisco :nworthy::nworthy::nworthy::nworthy:

Sephiroth 08-06-2016 07:10

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35841632)
all hail Cisco :nworthy::nworthy::nworthy::nworthy:

It seems so, mon General.

Ignitionnet 26-09-2016 16:35

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
How is this trial running for you Sir Sephiroth?

I noted discussion on DOCSIS 3.1 in this thread. Just FYI Comhem in Sweden have released 1Gb down, 100Mb up via EuroDoCSIS 3.0.

As I've said a few times still a fair bit of mileage in 3.0 :)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/09/2.png

General Maximus 26-09-2016 16:45

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
given that they are trying to get everyone on to shub3's for 200mbits+ it looks like they are trying to keep %channel utilisation down so I imagine they won't want to go above 400mbits without releasing a 32 channel modem and buy that time we would surely be ready for 3.1. Is there any info on which gateway that speed test was done on?

Ignitionnet 26-09-2016 16:47

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Sure. It was one of these and used 24 downstream and 6 upstream channels.

Sephiroth 26-09-2016 17:02

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35860596)
How is this trial running for you Sir Sephiroth?

I noted discussion on DOCSIS 3.1 in this thread. Just FYI Comhem in Sweden have released 1Gb down, 100Mb up via EuroDoCSIS 3.0.

As I've said a few times still a fair bit of mileage in 3.0 :)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/09/2.png

It's the usual VM thing. Dead silence. For a few weeks now I've had one channel (highest frequency) at 64QAM

Upstream bonded channels
Channel ID Frequency(Hz) Mode Power
(dBmV) Modulation Channel Bandwidth(Hz) Symbol Rate (ksps)
6 39400000 ATDMA 44.5 16 qam 6400000 5120
8 25800000 ATDMA 44.5 16 qam 6400000 5120
7 32600000 ATDMA 44.5 16 qam 6400000 5120
5 46200000 ATDMA 44.5 64 qam 6400000 5120

General Maximus 26-09-2016 17:38

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
cool, Netgear again which means it has the potential to come in our direction

Ignitionnet 26-09-2016 18:22

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
It's just a 24x8 DoCSIS 3 gateway, same as the SH 3.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35860605)
It's the usual VM thing. Dead silence. For a few weeks now I've had one channel (highest frequency) at 64QAM

Let's hope they can get it cleaned up and get 64QAM possible across the board. The power is spot on, though, which is good.

Sephiroth 26-09-2016 20:48

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35860626)
It's just a 24x8 DoCSIS 3 gateway, same as the SH 3.

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Let's hope they can get it cleaned up and get 64QAM possible across the board. The power is spot on, though, which is good.

When they did that, the downstream power jumped from -3.5dBmv to +3.5 dBmv. (Upstreasm stayed the same-ish). Ordinarily I'd have said they'd changed the amp in my street cabinet - except that they clearly haven't because it was an overnight reset when that happened.

Kushan 27-09-2016 11:25

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
I've had 1x QAM64 and 1xQAM16 for weeks now:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/09/1.png

Is that a valid/normal configuration or does it indicate a problem somewhere? I mean speeds are fine, so I've not been bothered, it's just unusual to see two channels on different QAM's without there being an issue.

Ignitionnet 27-09-2016 13:10

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
It's a legitimate configuration, but could also indicate problems.

Could be ingress in the 50.5MHz -> 56.9MHz range, there's an amateur radio channel there, or could be using some 16QAM and some 64QAM channels intentionally to reduce load on the upstream optics.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35860648)
When they did that, the downstream power jumped from -3.5dBmv to +3.5 dBmv. (Upstreasm stayed the same-ish). Ordinarily I'd have said they'd changed the amp in my street cabinet - except that they clearly haven't because it was an overnight reset when that happened.

Depending on what you're connected to they may have changed some kit within the hub to connect you to a new Edge QAM and return path line card. Hosted on same CMTS so retaining existing DHCP scope, just CCAP equipment change.

EDIT: Not entirely related but I saw a guy mentioning 20 downstream channels on the Cisco 10k. Yes, possible, but improbable. To go past 10 channels requires installation of a 3 Gb SPA, and as far as I know these have only been used to go to 12 channels to permit release of Homeworks+. VM aren't doing a big investment in these, purchasing the bare minimum in fact, as they are getting shot of the 10ks as part of migration to CCAP. These are being used as an interim solution while issues like power, space and cooling are sorted to make room for the CCAP kit and higher density, dedicated M-CMTS.

People on 20 channels are on E6k or cBR-8 unless there were a very strange set of circumstances that required a very non-standard configuration.

Synthetic 27-09-2016 13:48

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35860714)
I've had 1x QAM64 and 1xQAM16 for weeks now:

---snip---

Is that a valid/normal configuration or does it indicate a problem somewhere? I mean speeds are fine, so I've not been bothered, it's just unusual to see two channels on different QAM's without there being an issue.

I had that earlier in the year, got VM out and they confirmed it was a fault affected 300 other properties.... we were experiencing drop outs too though.

However since the fix (only took 2 days!) both went back to 64 and have stayed like that since.

JordanTheToaster 04-10-2016 06:35

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35860723)
It's a legitimate configuration, but could also indicate problems.

Could be ingress in the 50.5MHz -> 56.9MHz range, there's an amateur radio channel there, or could be using some 16QAM and some 64QAM channels intentionally to reduce load on the upstream optics.

---------- Post added at 14:10 ---------- Previous post was at 14:07 ----------



Depending on what you're connected to they may have changed some kit within the hub to connect you to a new Edge QAM and return path line card. Hosted on same CMTS so retaining existing DHCP scope, just CCAP equipment change.

EDIT: Not entirely related but I saw a guy mentioning 20 downstream channels on the Cisco 10k. Yes, possible, but improbable. To go past 10 channels requires installation of a 3 Gb SPA, and as far as I know these have only been used to go to 12 channels to permit release of Homeworks+. VM aren't doing a big investment in these, purchasing the bare minimum in fact, as they are getting shot of the 10ks as part of migration to CCAP. These are being used as an interim solution while issues like power, space and cooling are sorted to make room for the CCAP kit and higher density, dedicated M-CMTS.

People on 20 channels are on E6k or cBR-8 unless there were a very strange set of circumstances that required a very non-standard configuration.

I was wondering why i had 20 channels now I know.

Sephiroth 04-10-2016 15:55

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
In keeping with my topic, I now report for everyone's delectation that 3 of my upstreams are now 64QAM and one is 16QAM.

You'll see the slight upstream noise from the BQM. Just to remind, this is a Hub 3 in modem mode to an ASUS RT-AC68U.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...10/1.png?w=540

vm_tech 04-10-2016 17:41

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanTheToaster (Post 35861655)
I was wondering why i had 20 channels now I know.

Your area was moved over to E6000 a few weeks back :)

Jon22 04-10-2016 20:29

Re: RG41 5: 4 upstream channels
 
Anyway to find out what model of CMTS your on? I think I'm still on a Motorola BSR 64k unless that's changed since last year. Still on 2x 16QAM here.


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