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Arthurgray50@blu

11-05-2016 21:10

Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-...ar-high-heels/

I put this under two classes.

Is it sexist, and the other down right stupid.

I think the reason the company insist of females wearing High Heels, to make them look sexy. And yes, l don't mind admitting, a Pretty woman looks very good looking in High Heels.

But, l have never heard of it being part of a 'uniform' as such.

Can you imagine men going to work, wearing a mini skirt :D

I would love it if my wife, wore high heels:D

Damien

11-05-2016 21:28

Re: I call this stupidty

I believe the law states the employers can only enforce 'reasonable' dress codes and they might have a hard time trying to argue why high heels are a requirement for an office job rather than flat shoes.

Julian

11-05-2016 21:29

Re: I call this stupidty

How appropriate that the " managing director " of the company responsible for this ridiculous rule should be called simon PRATT.

And Arthur.....
try buying your wife some heels ;)

nomadking

11-05-2016 21:46

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35837035)

It's not an office job. A receptionist is on view and it was an agency that employed her. The dress code would have to be set to deal with a wide range of customers and their requirements.

Pierre

11-05-2016 22:14

Re: I call this stupidty

I like to wear my high heels to work, but then I'm so money supermarket..............

Hugh	11-05-2016 22:15

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837042)

Actually the real sexism is that it is extremely unlikely that a man would hired for the job in the first place. And if he was, he would almost certainly have dress guidelines to follow, eg suit and tie.

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It's not an office job. A receptionist is on view and it was an agency that employed her. The dress code would have to be set to deal with a wide range of customers and their requirements.

Normally, you can't see a receptionist's feet...

Pierre

11-05-2016 22:25

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837042)

It's not an office job. A receptionist is on view and it was an agency that employed her. The dress code would have to be set to deal with a wide range of customers and their requirements.

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a receptionist is on view

. What does that mean? Do you have to be a looker then?

What customer requirements could there possibly be that require high heels?

However, I must admit that the photos in the article are a bit strange though. Did the objectified victim have modelling and publicity ambitions.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36264229

Photos look very polished is what i'm getting at.

nomadking

11-05-2016 22:28

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35837048)

Normally, you can't see a receptionist's feet...

It is a general dress code. The specific clients and the setting will be unknown at the time.

Maggy

11-05-2016 22:47

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

Well I think that a class action on behalf of all women left with crippling foot issues due to the wearing of high heels might make a few companies review their dress code..Plus I would report them to the local Health and Safety..

It's a long way from the 60s and 70s when some firms banned stiletto heels because of damage to their buildings floors..

swoop101

12-05-2016 05:32

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36272893
They changed policy after all the bad press :P

denphone

12-05-2016 05:52

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

No surprise as they were made to look stupid over it.

heero_yuy

12-05-2016 07:29

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35837047)

I like to wear my high heels to work, but then I'm so money supermarket..............

Do you wear "those" shorts as well.:erm:

Enforcing killer heels does seem excessive. What if her doctor had advised against wearing them on medical grounds?

nomadking

12-05-2016 08:12

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35837079)

Do you wear "those" shorts as well.:erm:

Enforcing killer heels does seem excessive. What if her doctor had advised against wearing them on medical grounds?

Same as any other job that required something.

Somehow I doubt she would have complained if an acting job came along that required her to be in 2in heels all day long.

Damien

12-05-2016 08:15

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837084)

Same as any other job that required something.

Somehow I doubt she would have complained if an acting job came along that required her to be in 2in heels all day long.

Yes but she isn't acting is she?

nomadking

12-05-2016 08:21

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35837085)

Yes but she isn't acting is she?

She is complaining about wearing the shoes, not about the job.

Hugh	12-05-2016 08:36

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837084)

Same as any other job that required something.

Somehow I doubt she would have complained if an acting job came along that required her to be in 2in heels all day long.

The requirements have to be reasonable, not arbitrary - these were found not to be reasonable.

I have worked in a number of companies that have had dress codes (suits, ties, no trainers, smart dress) - not one had a requirement for women to to wear high heels.

Maggy

12-05-2016 08:36

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

Common sense prevails..but not without someone speaking out.I wonder how many didn't?

nomadking

12-05-2016 08:43

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35837092)

The requirements have to e reasonable, not arbitrary - these were found not to be reasonable.

I have worked in a number of companies that have had dress codes (suits, ties, no trainers, smart dress) - not one had a requirement for women to to wear high heels.

It was part of a general dress code for a temp agency. Specific assignments might have had other specific requirements, but you have to set a minimum standard which she had agreed to.

Stop It

12-05-2016 08:52

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837042)

Actually the real sexism is that it is extremely unlikely that a man would hired for the job in the first place. And if he was, he would almost certainly have dress guidelines to follow, eg suit and tie.

It's not an office job. A receptionist is on view and it was an agency that employed her. The dress code would have to be set to deal with a wide range of customers and their requirements.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/05/13.jpg

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837052)

It is a general dress code. The specific clients and the setting will be unknown at the time.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837084)

Same as any other job that required something.

Somehow I doubt she would have complained if an acting job came along that required her to be in 2in heels all day long.

Guess what, that doesn't exist. If an actor required to wear heels on set, they will, after that, I'm sure they'll be free to swap.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837097)

It was part of a general dress code for a temp agency. Specific assignments might have had other specific requirements, but you have to set a minimum standard which she had agreed to.

She didn't agree, hence the dispute. Your posts make me think that you're stuck at 11:55am on a Saturday morning when Fighting Talk airs. permanently stuck Defending The Indefensible.

techguyone

12-05-2016 09:03

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

It's still happening in other industries - I'd cite Airlines as a good modern example.

You'd think Elf n Safety would trump all, given as it's medically proven that those things cause problems with health later in life, It'll need a succession of ppl suing and claiming I expect, for things to change.

Bad publicity helps too though ;)

Kursk

12-05-2016 09:40

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35837027)

[URL]I think the reason the company insist of females wearing High Heels, to make them look sexy.

Quite right too; I expect to be titillated. I don't want to be greeted by squat-legged, tweedy librarian-types I want to see a pencil skirt, heels and teetering.

I also approve of lipstick, big sexy business spectacles and simpering.

If DC and her Maj can speak their minds, so can I :D

nomadking

12-05-2016 09:48

Re: I call this stupidty

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Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35837101)

Oh god. If there is a dress code it shouldn't exclude perfectly reasonable attire. High Heels should be allowed, not forced. It's not exactly rocket science this. Receptionists are employees, not eye candy. Again, what year is this?

It is perfectly reasonable for an employer to have a dress code, it is not reasonable for a dress code to conform to sexist stereotypes in an office! PwC are an auditing firm, not Hooters for crying out loud.

Guess what, that doesn't exist. If an actor required to wear heels on set, they will, after that, I'm sure they'll be free to swap.

She didn't agree, hence the dispute. Your posts make me think that you're stuck at 11:55am on a Saturday morning when Fighting Talk airs. permanently stuck Defending The Indefensible.

Guess what, she agreed to the general dress code in the contract for the agency. It wasn't PwC that specified anything. The danger is that if you don't have specific dress codes, then anything goes.

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The company initially said Ms Thorp, from Hackney, had signed its "appearance guidelines" but said it would review them.

Damien

12-05-2016 10:00

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

Nomad there are legal limits to what an employer can demand their employees wear. They can't get away with it by attempting to get them to agree to it before hand.

nomadking

12-05-2016 10:11

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35837116)

Nomad there are legal limits to what an employer can demand their employees wear. They can't get away with it by attempting to get them to agree to it before hand.

And what exactly are those "legal limits"?

Stop It

12-05-2016 10:31

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35837119)

And what exactly are those "legal limits"?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36265545

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UK employers can dismiss staff who fail to live up to "reasonable" dress code demands, says employment law firm Thompsons, as long as they've been given enough time to buy the right shoes and clothes. They can set up different codes for men and women, as long as there's an "equivalent level of smartness".

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It boils down to the word "reasonable" dress code demands. I do not feel that having the option of wearing smart, black, flat shoes to be unreasonable. It's not comparable to wearing a tie etc as you don't suffer potential injury from wearing a tie (Unless if you were a complete idiot).

Maggy

12-05-2016 11:11

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

I think that if there is a hell that is specific to the individual it will be nice if the idiot who comes up with these rules gets to spend eternity in 6 inch high heels.

tweetiepooh

12-05-2016 11:16

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

I like the equivalent level of smartness.

Virgin is pretty relaxed in dress, there are some uniforms and safety gear rules but else where it's nice and appropriate.

I hate it where us fellows have to wear suit and tie all year and the women can dress more in keeping with the weather, or more usually pretty much how they liked (within reason).

techguyone

12-05-2016 11:24

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

I bet Virgin Airlines isn't so relaxed.

Maggy

12-05-2016 12:35

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35837143)

I agree..all it takes is some sort of common sense attitude..

Kursk

12-05-2016 13:43

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

Most women, who dress to impress other women probably even more than they dress to impress men, know that heels elongate the leg and change the position of the hips so as to flatter the female form. After some practice, deportment is improved and self confidence enhanced through improved height, stature and that feel good factor.

Dress codes always produce victims; those who feel demeaned or objectified but who will be fluttering the eyelashes with pretend vulnerability just as soon as the opportunity arises. And there is always a dearth of male champions ready to defend her honour :sleep:.

Heels look good. Be really thankful the dress code isn't a full body covering of Hessian sack and a pair of hobnailed boots.

heero_yuy

12-05-2016 14:01

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35837184)

Be really thankful the dress code isn't a full body covering of Hessian sack and a pair of hobnailed boots.

It virtually is in some places:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/05/12.jpg

Probably not the boots but how would you know? :D

Hugh	12-05-2016 14:42

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35837144)

I bet Virgin Airlines isn't so relaxed.

I have a niece who is a long-haul flight attendant with VA, and she and her female colleagues swap into flat shoes once they board the plane, as they are on their feet for up to 8 hours.

I've seen the same on BA and Emirates.

Ken W

12-05-2016 16:45

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35837200)

I was shopping in a well know department store where all the female staff wore flat shoes and looked very smart.

Kursk

12-05-2016 17:14

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35837233)

I was shopping in a well know department store where all the female staff wore flat shoes and looked very smart.

Nurses have to wear flat shoes in their job but can you imagine what they'd look like in heels? That'd plump your pillow for you Ken :naughty:

Arthurgray50@blu

12-05-2016 21:28

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

This is a great discussion. I Have to admit that l do make some good threads.

techguyone

12-05-2016 22:22

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

Well one thread so far, the rest. Not so much.

Bit like how even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.

Kursk

12-05-2016 23:29

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35837284)

This is a great discussion. I Have to admit that l do make some good threads.

You randy ol' git Arthur ;). I wonder if the dress code at Cable Forum stipulates all female mods must wear French maid outfits :p:?

pip08456

12-05-2016 23:42

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35837308)

You randy ol' git Arthur ;). I wonder if the dress code at Cable Forum stipulates all female mods must wear French maid outfits :p:?

Ooooooooooh Maggy J in a french maids outfit!!!

You up for it Maggy???:D:D:D:D:D:D

Julian

12-05-2016 23:45

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35837308)

You randy ol' git Arthur ;). I wonder if the dress code at Cable Forum stipulates all female mods must wear French maid outfits :p:?

In order to send a chill down your spine it's more likely to be Lyons Maid.

Hugh	13-05-2016 08:14

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35837308)

You randy ol' git Arthur ;). I wonder if the dress code at Cable Forum stipulates all mods must wear French maid outfits :p:?

It's part of the induction..

Maggy

13-05-2016 08:41

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

Sigh! The eternal average CF male mind set at the old lecher level.:rolleyes:

Gary L

13-05-2016 08:44

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35837344)

It's part of the induction..

Does Stephen know you've posted that?

Kursk

13-05-2016 13:00

Re: Woman sent home for refusing to wear high heels at work

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35837354)

Sigh! The eternal average CF male mind set at the old lecher level.:rolleyes:

No hard feelings though: I think you look nice in the pic Hugh has posted :D

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