Illegal downloading officially classed as a sin.
 

Bishops in Spain have declared in their synod paper that illegal streaming breaks one of the 10 commandments:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ilm-downloads/

I always thought that the 10 commandments were set in stone, but whilst researching this article, it appears that interpretation and the numbering are different according to different religions.

This explains why some say this sin comes under no 7 and others no 10!

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So as an atheist I'm good to illegally download to my hearts content?

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^^ What he said. :D

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What a load of utter tosh, have these ppl nothing better to do with their time!

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Not since some of them got caught on fiddling with kids.... now thats a sin!

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Theft is a sin and breaks command 8 (Do not steal). And it doesn't matter if you don't believe in the "law" it still applies - ignorance is no excuse even in our earthly courts. And I would agree that much theft also breaks command 10 about not desiring what isn't yours. In fact breaking command 10 often is the root of breaking the others.

(And command 7 is Don't commit adultery.)

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And religion is the root of all evil!

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I thought command 7 was to not commit adultery and nothing to do with theft- thanks for clarifying.

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No, it's love of money that is the root of all kinds of evil.

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Evil is the root of all evil. Religion is just an excuse, as is Money. After all, both can be used for good as well, and you rarely see someone describing anything as the root of all good.

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People say that money is the root of all evil, but it's the love of money that is the root of all evil.

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I must be the root of all evil then, since I love money (the more the better). :)

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I think you may have a point about money, but you cannot deny that religion is the cause of most of this worlds problems, IS anyone??

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Hear hear.........:clap::clap:

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I doubt that you would pursue it to the detriment of anything and everything else though.

The fact that you run this site without payment (when you could be earning money elsewhere) shows that you do have some altruistic qualities.

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Was religion the cause of WW1, WW2, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War?

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It amazes me that people are even discussing whether stealing is wrong. It is, end of.

How are people being brought up these days?

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Stealing is wrong, everyone knows that but is it a sin? It is if you believe in sins and the 10 commandments, if you don't believe then it can't be

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The Bible calls it a sin, therefore it is a sin.

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So would making a copy of the bible be a sin?

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Not in my opinion, because the person who wrote it (God) wants everyone to read it.

That is why it is legitimately, freely available online at no cost.

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I never knew that.

AFAIK the Bible is still the best selling book in the world.

The old Sunday trading laws were a farce though, on a Sunday you could buy a pornographic book but not a Bible and alcohol but not baby milk!

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Surely I could download to my hearts content, then go and confess this sin and say a few hail Mary's for forgiveness then start the cycle again?

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Not really how it works :)

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Dodgy downloading and streaming isn't theft.

Uploading is a criminal offence, downloading / streaming is not.

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It is unlawful, but currently you will get away with it.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-and...s-or-tv-shows/

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Downloading/streaming isn't illegal, uploading is (as this is 'distribution).

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Moral, legal and religious positions can sometimes overlap though.

Some activities can be legal but immoral, conversely some activities undertaken as a stance for morality can be illegal.

A person might murder a paedophile after taking the moral high ground, but it's still illegal.

A person might down a bottle of vodka and smoke continuously every day in their own home- many would class this behaviour as immoral, but it's perfectly legal.

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So Mathew, Mark, Luke and John didn't exist nor write anything? Presumably Paul didn't either?

That's the New Testament out of the window then!

Not forgetting the Acts of the Apostles.

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The whole Bible was written by over forty different authors. But everything they wrote was divinely inspired by God. Therefore the true author is God.

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Dear thread: Off to current affairs or lifestyle with you.

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Who doesn't exist like the rest of the fake sky wizards

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Actually there are not 10 commandments.

There are 613 of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

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Was the slaughter of Jews not religious??

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With regard to WW2 it was a spiritual battle. Hitler was into the occult (i.e. demonic) and the plan was to try wipe out God's covenant people, the Jews. It failed of course, as will the final battle the devil starts.

I have to agree with Ignitionnet; this thread has developed into something that has nothing to do with VM TV.

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Seriously? :shocked:

WW2 was caused by the invasion of Poland, Sudetenland, France, Belgium, etc - no one has ever suggested that the invasions were caused by the Nazi Party's hatred of the Jewish people...

The Holocaust came about because of WW2, it was not the cause of it - whilst some wars last century may have had minor elements of religiosity in them (WW1 Gott Mitt Uns, etc), none of them were caused by religion.

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Maybe so but you cannot deny that religion has played a major part in many wars, and i'll say again, I.S anyone!!

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And I repeat my question - can you show any major war in the 20th Century that religion played a major part in?

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Does this come under "major" for you, The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?

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This thread has never been about VM TV so hasn't developed into anything.

It should never have been posted in the VM TV forum to begin with.

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Absolutely agree! What a load of tosh, blimey I'm glad I don't illegally stream, so I won't burn in hell for that, just have to get past the fact I'm as far as some are concerned that me being gay is also a sin, do I care, nope.

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Exactly what I thought and that's having a go at anyone. Should have been in the Internet section.

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Let's close this thread now. It has nothing to do with Virgin Media and religion is a highly contentious subject.

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Utter ridiculous thread to start with and serves nothing more than to stir and antagonise

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Erm, that's territorial, not religious...

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What the hell is this thread meant to be about, if anyone knows?

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It's got a little out of hand, I think. But I suppose it's a debate. Totally nothing to do with VirginMedia!. It's certainly touched a few nerves.

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Yeah right!..........keep taking the tablets...


http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-religious-war

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And behind the religious battle are dark spiritual forces

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But not that ridiculous that you chose to not only enter it, but comment too (not that your ironic contribution added anything meaningful or pleasant to the conversation).

You may wish to avoid threads that you believe to be ridiculous in the future, as opposed to trying to derail them.

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With hindsight it may have been put into the wrong section, i'm sure that admin will move it if they think this is necessary.

I don't think it's got out of hand, I've found the legitimate responses interesting to read.

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With a bit of foresight you may have realised that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the VM TV service. Even the title of your thread was a big clue for you.

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What sanctimonious rudeness.

If the placement of this thread affects you to any serious degree, I suggest that you go through the correct channels instead of resorting to this sort of behaviour.

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Religious threads always do and are an absolute hiding to nothing, Nick, which is why I tend to not get involved in any depth these days beyond to be impassive and state facts or purely reference my own experience. :angel:

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its a trolling thread, pure and simple, light the firework and see how everyone react

everyone is a sinner

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Bless...

one opinion piece in the Grauniad is your evidence.

Anyhow, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is, at best, a local insurrection* - not really comparable to WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, etc; but I'm sure you knew that....

*Estimated deaths at around 10,000 = http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...ourceID=000639


I've got some spare tablets if you want them... ;)

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This thread was indeed created to stimulate discussion of the subject in hand.

The negative way that you have interpreted it is probably a reflection of your attitude to life in general, or, more likely, a further attempt to disrupt my contributions to this forum.

Do you actually have anything useful, interesting or positive to contribute?

Enough of this turpitude.

let he without sin cast the first stone, I do however feel that you are not that person to throw

anyway I shall not feed you any further, I do still think that

a) this thread on this forum is utter ridiculous
b) what people do is between them, the law of the land and their ISP
c) conduct is between you and your religion

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It is you that is guilty of repeatedly trying to stir things up, your past posts to various members are available for all those who are interested enough to be able to check.

If you believe that this thread is "ridiculous", they why did you not only enter it, but comment not once, not twice, but three times.

The normal reaction when people see a thread that they have no interest in is to skim past it, not enter it and attempt to cause problems like you do.

Your last two comments are on topic; we seem to be getting somewhere at last.

Hello Pot, meet the kettle.....

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I second that motion :)

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After indicating that you were going to withdraw from this discussion, you have contributed a fourth time to a thread that you believe to be "ridiculous"; the vast majority of which has been nothing more than rudeness.

If you have a problem with the content or placement of this thread, you have been advised to go through the correct channels.

You won't do this though, because it is clear that this harassment is not borne out of any true concern about the above, but out of a desire to discriminate against minority groups*.

*Note to other readers: Some years ago after I 'came out' as being disabled, I faced problems from a minority of members. It appears that this individual is the only one not prepared to move forward with a positive outlook.

*sigh* and this "individual" has never bought up or used your disability (not that I even knew ) against you, nor am I interested (to be honest no one else is either)

I would point out however being disabled doesn't give you a free pass to be rude to myself or others, something you have failed to address to me over the last year and continue to bait me via other means. Nor does it give you a pass to extenuate the truth/lie which I gave pulled you up on previously.

I am however prepared to be the grown up here and accept your apology for the good of this forum

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In reponse to Igni and passingbat.


In response to your post above

I do not consider myself "sanctmonious" nor rude but that is your perspective.

You have never had a problem from me regarding your disability as I was never aware you had one. Why you feel the need to highlight it only you know. I have no problem with anyone with a disability (ask my good friend of 16 years who at 54 and suffering from cereabral palsey all his life will testify) also all my friends in the LBGT group you seem to be "coming out" with.

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Sorry, I don't get your point. Three members of the cable forum team have participated in this thread and so far have decided not to move it. There decision is good enough for me.

I guess the streaming aspect of TV and Film mentioned in the original post links it to the TV side of things?

The genuine responses have been very well natured. It's the input from people who don't want the thread, or who think it is in the wrong section that have caused unpleasantness IMHO.

Surely, if you don't like a particular thread, just don't read it or participate in it.

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Couple of thoughts
1)Religion is often the "excuse" for wars and conflicts.
2)The Bible is a bit more difficult about copyright and the like. I believe the text of some versions is now, if not free of copyright, available for free but all versions we have in English are the result of lots of hard work translating and interpreting so are covered by copyright. Even KJV and other versions if printed, then that printing can still be in copyright. (You can substitute other languages for English above.)

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You could be right about printed versions. Fortunately ;) this thread is about streaming and this site has multiple versions legitimately accessible, free of charge.

https://www.biblegateway.com/

Re the printed version, I doubt that any true Christian publisher would object to someone who genuinely couldn't afford to buy a copy, making a copy of someone else's Bible.

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Up until now I had never thought about any copyright issues with the bible!

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There are 2 reasons for war.

1) Land

2) Religion

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Add a couple more:

3) Oil.

4) Water.

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The first of those can probably be changed to 'Resources'. The second is usually an excuse to behave like genocidal asshats more than a reason in and of itself.

That said I suspect people would respect life far more, their own and those of others, if they didn't believe there was some paradise waiting for them at the end of it. Take away the idea of paradise in return for jihad and the suicide bomber count would swiftly drop to near-zero I imagine.

Most things sadly have upsides and downsides. Some draw great comfort and strength from faith, others use it to justify being inhuman.