Woman suffered miscarriage on A&E waiting room floor as she waited 4 hours to see Dr
 

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-...-see-a-doctor/

This is something that should never happen in a hospital. This is why we need more Doctors, and Hospitals.

This is NOT the first time this hospital has been hit by trouble.

And also the woman knew that she was having a miscarriage, and yet the hospital did nothing.

Disgraceful

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And what could have been done that would have made a difference? She was ok for 6 hours, so it wasn't an emergency.

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I dare say it's Boris's fault.

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More Doctors and hospitals would not have helped in that situation.

the woman was having a miscarriage, nothing would have stopped that happening.

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"Triage at the door" was started at our local ER. Nurse-led.

It lasted about 6 months, then went back to admin staff booking you in, and then being apparently ignored for hours no matter what the situation. Unless you keeled-over in the waiting room. But you had to keel over in the right place as the admin were hidden behind tall desks and glass.

Not so if you arrived by ambulance, so soon there was huge demand for ambulances and paramedics.

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The lack of empathy for the poor women from most of those posting in this thread borders on callousness.:(

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Indeed, but being left to it, during what would've been an utterly terrifying experience is not exactly the right level of care. Yes, nothing can stop an early stage miscarriage, but sending a specialist nurse in to explain what's going on and at least give some comfort should be what happens, not this.
Borders? I hope none of those with such dismissive replies never has to go through similar. If it does, the last thing they'll be saying is that "It isn't an emergency". Talk about missing the point.

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Maggy suprised at you for that post

I don't think anyone who has posted on the thread isn't empathetic to the woman in question. What people are saying is that more Drs and hospitals wouldn't have solved this particular most unfortunate event

As usual, Arthur doing his usual,pick an event and the try to spin it at a sensationalist angle to suit his own misinformed repetitive agenda

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Actually I've re-read the thread and I still feel the same.

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I personally think this was disgraceful, losing a child is the worst thing any mother can go through. I am certain that the the lack of compassion must have added additional distress and that alone is disgraceful IMO.

In October 1992 I remember a poor lady who was put on the maternity ward full of new happy mothers myself included with their bundles of joy who had suffered a miscarriage and I just thought WTF why was she given a bed on the ward full of mothers and their newly born babies IMO she should have at the very least been given a side room so she and her husband could be in private to cope with their loss and grief in private and not on a ward full of new mothers full of joy. I thought things would have got better in 24 years not worse. I will never forget that poor lady or her husband and the guilt I felt at my joy when this poor couple were so obliviously in so much distress.

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Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. I am sure they are, but as no empathy was expressed, we don't know.


We have posts that state it's not an emergency, would have happened anyway and more doctors/hospitals would not have helped, all of which is probably true, but very few have expressed any sorrow for what the woman has gone through.

I, for one, think it probably was inevitable, but that does not help a women who was probably panicking for hours, and probably very upset. Expressing sorrow through a forum doesn't really offer her any practical help, but I do feel some sorrow, and I do empathise.

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Lets put it this way, l have some experience of what goes in at a&e and maternity units. Involving my daughter.

Its too graphic to mention on here. But l feel that if a woman goes into a Unit/A/E with maternity problems. Then it should take priority over all the patients. We are talking about a 'new life' in danger.
And the sooner she receives medical help the better.

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Yes I am aware of that and know how hard a miscarriage can be but the point a few people are making is, whether they put her in a cubical or not would have not made a difference to the outcome.

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Ah! Arthur bashing at its finest.

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It might have saved the poor woman some dignity..and she should have been dealt with in a far more empathetic manner.

Imagine that happening to your wife...

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But it wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome :rolleyes:

That is outrageous, where's the compassion our nurses used to be famous for, I realise people are busy and they're understaffed but surely someone there could've spared a couple of minutes to spend with that poor lady

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I think that is all Maggy was asking for.

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When I was in A&E on successive nights before my surgery I was in absolute agony and at one point collapsed onto the floor by reception writhing in pain. At one point I recall one of the staff saying something like 'you can't lie there sir'... It was about 10 mins. before someone eventually helped me onto a wheelchair and took me off to see the medics. Numerous staff saw me lying there but nobody seemed to want to help.

I was later admitted and spent about a week in hospital being pumped full of antibiotics and praying I wouldn't develop severe pancreatitis.

The reality is that the staff in these places are exposed to all sorts of things and I feel inevitably lose some of their empathy at times, especially at the sharp end in places like A&E where they have to deal with all sorts of people (some of whom are unpleasant in the extreme) in all sorts of mental and physical states. I don't condone uncaring behaviour but do appreciate why it sometimes happens.

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@ Multiskilled - in my defence at the time I posted that I had no way of knowing what he'd posted as he's on my ignore list. IIRC his post also had one of the usual ambiguous anti Tory/Boris rant titles which needs to be amended by a mod. in order to make any sense and bear some relation to the topic. My intention was not to belittle the woman's suffering.

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Why reply to a post of someone on your ignore list? especially if you don't even know what he said.Your always telling Arthur to check his facts before posting.

I just get annoyed at the way the same people seem to get pleasure at tearing Arthur's posts apart even more so when they then admit to not even have read them.

This forum would be a lot poorer without him and I'm surprised he is still around considering the amount of flack he gets off certain members,and moderators seeming to turn a blind eye to it.

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I wasn't replying to his post. I was making a point which for 99% of his input here is accurate. Sorry you don't like but I guess that's just tough. I don't see how this forum would be worse without a string of ambiguously titled, ill informed, self contradictory rants but then maybe I expect a bit more than you do. Anyway that's my last comment on the subject and if you have a complaint about moderation I suggest you take it up with them not me. Best of luck.

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Thanks for saying this. Some of the responses to Arthurs posts are out of order and you are right, the mods do turn a blind eye to this. Good job Arthur has a thick skin ...

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But he's on your ignore list or does the point of this function escape you? By your own admission your just as guilty of reacting to the HEADLINE but not reading the article, something people are always telling Arthur to do with his "ill informed self contradictory rants"

Sorry you don't like being challenged about your behaviour to other members but I guess that just tough.

As for the moderators I'm sure they have read what I've written and will be in touch shortly if they feel the need.

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I have a complaint - it's a bit sore and itchy at times, I'll send you a picture if you like. :D

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Ok children, enough now, back to the topic please.

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Utter emotional nonsense

an unborn child has no greater right to treatment than to someone suffering a stroke or a child seriously injured in an rtc or to person who is critically injured in a workplace accident

The only logical way to prioritise treatment is to base it on who has the greater chance of survival and best quality of life

And before anyone says it if it was my fiancée of course I'd be screaming blue murder but it's not so I can look at the situation with rational,logic and most importantly without emotion

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That's the job of the triage nurse, assignment of priorities: Three groups, those who if not treated will survive anyway, those who even if treated will die and those who if treated will save their lives.

Third group always has priority when resources are streached.

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It's harsh of me to say this, but why should a foetus have any more right to life than, say, someone in their early 20s who is in the throws of a heart attack (this happens more often than you might think), or a small child who is seriously injured? Who are you to say that any life should take priority over any other?