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heavyside 17-01-2016 09:38

Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
I've finally retired my old SA V+ box in the bedroom and replaced it with a TiVo. I was looking forward to networking it with the TiVo in the living room and watching some of the dozens of recordings I've accumulated. I was bitterly disappointed to find that NOT ONE of my recordings is permitted to be viewed on the other TiVo. Surely this is missing the whole point of being able to network the two TiVos together.

My question - are there any recordings of channels I can watch in this way and, if so, is there a list (it's probably a very small list) of channels where this is permitted?

ozsat 17-01-2016 09:45

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
There is a list in the drop-down menu on this page - http://store.virginmedia.com/discove...s.snippet.html

All the Sky channels work fine - BBC/ITV tv are NOT allowed.

heavyside 17-01-2016 10:20

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
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Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35817724)
There is a list in the drop-down menu on this page - http://store.virginmedia.com/discove...s.snippet.html

All the Sky channels work fine - BBC/ITV tv are NOT allowed.

Thanks, Ozsat. Add to that Channel 4. It seems perverse that the free-to-air channels are not permitted while the Sky ones are.

I think I must have taken a stupid pill this morning but I can't find the list you mentioned unless it's the multi-room streaming list which is full of channels I rarely watch or record.

DJSADERS 17-01-2016 11:27

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Yep its the multi-room streaming list... but even that is misleading for example you can stream some of the SD channels but not the HD version...

johnathome 17-01-2016 12:29

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It's a bit like TV Anywhere then.

VM advertise these features but they're so hobbled by rights issues as to make them pretty much useless.

heavyside 17-01-2016 12:56

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The wording on that page is also a misrepresentation.

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If you have multiple TiVo boxes you can even stream recordings from one room to another - so you can finish that episode of Homeland you started in the living room when you get in bed.
Homeland was on one of the many channels it's not permitted to watch on a networked TiVo.

Mr K 17-01-2016 20:34

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
You don't need 2 TiVo's to stream recorded content to another room. All you need is a wireless AV sender, cheaper and no restriction on what you can stream.

tweedle 17-01-2016 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35817724)
There is a list in the drop-down menu on this page - http://store.virginmedia.com/discove...s.snippet.html

All the Sky channels work fine - BBC/ITV tv are NOT allowed.


I can just imagine some of the cableforum yokels crying rivers if sky channels didn't work. They seem silent on the fact the "greedy BBC" won't allow it.

Paul 17-01-2016 21:34

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
I dont cy over any of it, I just think its extremely dumb.

One day the idiots that make these rules up will realise this is why torrents are so popular.

heavyside 18-01-2016 07:38

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35817835)
You don't need 2 TiVo's to stream recorded content to another room. All you need is a wireless AV sender, cheaper and no restriction on what you can stream.

Can you stream TiVo recordings with a wireless sender?

Mr K 18-01-2016 07:45

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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35817872)
Can you stream TiVo recordings with a wireless sender?

Yes - from the Scart output - either hardwire or with a wireless sender. You could also use the HDMI, if you've an HDMI splitter.

Don't expect perfect quality, but for a bedroom tv, I get very good results. You can also control Tivo remotely using one of the mobile phone apps that are available.

DJSADERS 18-01-2016 09:04

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
For my sons bedroom i plan on getting 2 x HDMI to ethernet cables and sending the picture over a powerline adapter to his bedroom...

Seems silly paying for another box when the one in my bedroom is not used during the day

jodash 18-01-2016 10:31

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I've still got to figure out how to do it !

DJSADERS 18-01-2016 15:54

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
Not sure if it would work yet as i haven't tried... but my theory would be this...

HDMI splitter on back of TiVo --> HDMI cable to ethernet converter ---> Ethernet cable to Powerline in Bedroom 1.

then

Powerline in Bedroom 2 ---> ethernet converter ---> HDMI to TV

using the app as a remote control.

The powerline adapters i currently have, have 3 ports on 2, and i have a spare with a single port (to be used with the new tv) and seems to stream HD from TiVo to TiVo perfectly... so i can't see an issue

Joedm45 18-01-2016 19:18

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSADERS (Post 35817926)
Not sure if it would work yet as i haven't tried... but my theory would be this...

HDMI splitter on back of TiVo --> HDMI cable to ethernet converter ---> Ethernet cable to Powerline in Bedroom 1.

then

Powerline in Bedroom 2 ---> ethernet converter ---> HDMI to TV

using the app as a remote control.

The powerline adapters i currently have, have 3 ports on 2, and i have a spare with a single port (to be used with the new tv) and seems to stream HD from TiVo to TiVo perfectly... so i can't see an issue

Hi DJSaders, In my opinion your solution will not work the way you want it to. Those HDMI over ethernet adapters normally need a dedicated cable between them. I'll be surprised if going over a powerline with other network traffic will give you a good picture if any picture at all. Worth a try I guess and I'm happy to be proved wrong

G4DDS 24-01-2016 17:51

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35817724)

All the Sky channels work fine - BBC/ITV tv are NOT allowed.

I am sure VM stated that it was the broadcasters that were prohibiting the streaming between boxes as the broadcasters wanted the viewers use their catch-up TV services (i.e. iPlayer etc.); it will be interesting to see what happens when SkyQ launches and whether they will be able to stream BBC, ITV etc. freely between boxes.

heavyside 25-01-2016 10:23

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It seems insane to me that I can watch and record whatever I like on my living room TiVo and I can watch and record whatever I like on my bedroom TiVo but I am not permitted to watch those recordings on the TiVo that is most convenient. It strikes me as a bit like the electricity company telling me what I can and can't use their electricity for and in what rooms. Totally bonkers!

I am sure I won't be the only one watching with interest to see what the forthcoming Sky Q is capable of and what Virgin Media's response to that will be.

muppetman11 25-01-2016 10:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35818788)
It seems insane to me that I can watch and record whatever I like on my living room TiVo and I can watch and record whatever I like on my bedroom TiVo but I am not permitted to watch those recordings on the TiVo that is most convenient. It strikes me as a bit like the electricity company telling me what I can and can't use their electricity for and in what rooms. Totally bonkers!

I am sure I won't be the only one watching with interest to see what the forthcoming Sky Q is capable of and what Virgin Media's response to that will be.

If the article below is anything to go by it could be cost that's the most prohibitive factor.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...V-addicts.html

heavyside 26-01-2016 11:16

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A quick read of this hands-on review of the forthcoming Sky Q box http://www.stuff.tv/sky/sky-q/review indicates that the viewer will be able to watch all of their recordings on other boxes and devices around the home - and even outside the home.

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And this is a pretty big family: a main PVR box, a smaller box for use in other rooms, a new app, and even a router that actually sounds quite cool. And it's all underpinned by rather nifty new software that introduces to Sky some of the most requested features, such as your recordings being available across all devices, even outside the home.
It will even have 'suggestions' which I always thought was a TiVo exclusive even if I personally find them pretty useless. Once Virgin Media announce their next-gen box there might be an interesting few months ahead.

muppetman11 26-01-2016 14:19

Re: Networked TiVos - What's The Point?
 
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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35818963)
A quick read of this hands-on review of the forthcoming Sky Q box http://www.stuff.tv/sky/sky-q/review indicates that the viewer will be able to watch all of their recordings on other boxes and devices around the home - and even outside the home.



It will even have 'suggestions' which I always thought was a TiVo exclusive even if I personally find them pretty useless. Once Virgin Media announce their next-gen box there might be an interesting few months ahead.

Few Sky Q videos

https://youtu.be/Ykq-_xJCcC0
https://youtu.be/fBLJ6Vc88Eo


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