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Hugh	07-01-2016 07:34

Farage "assassination attempt"

The Times (behind paywall)

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Nigel Farage claims his car sabotaged in ‘assassination attempt’

The Ukip leader claimed that a saboteur loosened the nuts on his Volvo, causing one of the wheels to come off as he drove through France, while returning to Britain from the EU headquarters in Brussels.

Mr Farage said that he had received death threats in the past, and that on this occasion both the police and car mechanics were convinced it was done maliciously, although he decided not to pursue matters...

...The crash happened in daylight hours in October, and when emergency services arrived they told Mr Farage that the nuts were loosened intentionally, The Mail on Sunday reported.

“The French police looked at it and said that sometimes nuts on one wheel can come a bit loose – but not on all four,” he told the newspaper.

When asked who might have done it, he replied: “I haven’t got a clue. Quite frankly, the way my life’s been over the past two-and-a-half years, nothing surprises me.”

denphone

07-01-2016 07:38

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Sadly there is always someone out there who is prepared to go that step further.:(

Damien

07-01-2016 07:39

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I didn't think it was up to the victim whether or not the police pursued a case of attempted murder? Is this the same as Farage's 'impeccable source' that the voting in the Oldham by-election was 'bent' which was also not referred to anyone?

Who decides not to pursue an attempt of their life?

Maggy

07-01-2016 08:00

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35815970)

:tu:

Damien

07-01-2016 08:15

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As it happens it now appears that no one but Farage is collaborating his story:

http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/20...for-it_1424522

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Nigel Farage told the Mail on Sunday, his accident on a French motorway may have been a failed assassination attempt. Even the French police and mechanics told him so, he says. They deny they did.

Derek

07-01-2016 08:18

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It appears that MI5/MI6 assassination techniques in France have gotten worse over the years.

If only they'd got him into the back of a speeding car with a drunk driver behind the wheel.

jonbxx

07-01-2016 08:18

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I think someone might be telling porkies - link

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"The French police and mechanics looked at it but I have made no formal complaint. The mechanics were absolutely certain of [foul play] but I have decided to take no further action."

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But the Dunkirk prosecutor who would have led any such inquiry rebutted the claims, telling Liberation: "If they had noticed a sabotage, they would have had to open an investigation."

Stop It

07-01-2016 08:27

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35815979)

I think someone might be telling porkies - link

Oh dear Nigel, now you've really went into the realms of fantasy. He is like the epitome of Poe's Law. This couldn't be better if he didn't shout "infamy infamy they've all got it in for me" at the police/media.

techguyone

07-01-2016 09:02

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His model of Volvo has been subject to a recall too for ... loose wheel nuts.

Not saying he's wrong but..

That said it is very unusual for all four wheels to have all nuts loose (ok the locking one my not have, but the other going loose would very likely shear that one too)

Osem	07-01-2016 09:07

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Is anyone surprised that Farage might be a tad paranoid?... ;)

Ramrod

07-01-2016 09:14

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35815989)

His model of Volvo has been subject to a recall too for ... loose wheel nuts.

That's a fabrication. Volvo have denied that there has been a problem like that.

Stop It

07-01-2016 09:22

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35815993)

That's a fabrication. Volvo have denied that there has been a problem like that.

The person who claimed it is a rapid anti Farage radio personality and should be treated with the same sort of response, which is "Really now".

As for your comment Osem, when you spend your entire political career creating monsters, real or imagined...

Damien

07-01-2016 09:35

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Volvo did issue a recall for a wheel problem, it's just that Farage's car was not one of the batchs recalled.

Hugh	07-01-2016 09:36

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35815993)

That's a fabrication. Volvo have denied that there has been a problem like that.

And what about the French garage owner's statement, and that of the French police's denial of his claims?

Mr K	07-01-2016 10:09

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He could have a point, remember his helicopter crash a couple of General Elections ago and now this ? Somebody deliberately gave him testicular cancer too when he was younger...

If anybody was trying to do away with him, it's most likely to be another of the swivel eyed loons in his own party, they hate him. But then again, they hate everybody and everything.

Kymmy

07-01-2016 10:49

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It wasn't a helicopter crash but a plane crash which was caused by the banner itself that the plane was attempting to drag on take-off and nothing to do with the plane itself.

Here's a question. How many people go back to a garage 50 - 100 miles after a wheel change to have the nuts/studs retentioned? It's a requirement after all wheel changes but few do it and then wonder as to why a nut (or 2 or 3) loosen and drop out.

Damien

07-01-2016 10:52

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Here's a question. How many people go back to a garage 50 - 100 miles after a wheel change to have the nuts/studs retentioned? It's a requirement after all wheel changes but few do it and then wonder as to why a nut (or 2 or 3) loosen and drop out.

Is it? I literally didn't know that.

Mr K	07-01-2016 10:55

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If anything they tighten nuts too much with their machines, makes it impossible to change a tyre manually these days.

techguyone

07-01-2016 10:55

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It is, but do we know if he had all four tyres changed at the same time, because every nut on every wheel was loose (allegedly)

BenMcr

07-01-2016 11:30

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35816016)

If anything they tighten nuts too much with their machines, makes it impossible to change a tyre manually these days.

Indeed - I had to get Green Flag out after I had a puncture at home as I couldn't get the nuts off the wheel.

Even they then had to get the long wrench out and stand on it to get enough torque on the wheel nuts.

Kymmy

07-01-2016 11:39

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35816015)

Is it? I literally didn't know that.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35816016)

If anything they tighten nuts too much with their machines, makes it impossible to change a tyre manually these days.

So you'd prefer a torque that is suitable for you and not the proper torque for the wheel?

:banghead:

Ramrod

07-01-2016 11:44

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To be fair to the guy, he didn't want this news to become public knowledge....

adzii_nufc

07-01-2016 11:48

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35816027)

Used to do it at quite a few places that I used to test cars for varying manufacturers. Just Google it as it should be common knowledge.

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So you'd prefer a torque that is suitable for you and not the proper torque for the wheel?

:banghead:

You're only supposed to tighten them with an impact wrench to the point they can still be removed with manual tools (Standard OP at Nissan) If you're still tightening it to the point the impact wrench is juddering then they're doing it wrong. The fact is I've seen it done by mechanics over and over and I've seen people at NMUK get a bollocking for it. They hold the wrench in place till the thing is literally juddering not to mention warping the top. If anything, Mr K's point is completely valid in some cases.

Without the risk of incurring a wrath and not meaning anything myself by this. The exact words I got from NMUK big wigs in Sunderland whether this is unofficial or not. Only ever tighten the nut to the point a woman could undo it.

Source: Standard OP documents at NMUK.

As for an example, it's hard. You apply the wrench and press the trigger, once it stops rotating freely you let go and apply a manual check. Once you've done this for for months on end you become pretty aware of when it's about to start juddering and when it's nice and snug.

Kymmy

07-01-2016 11:58

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35816032)

Depends on the setting of the wrench. Also the wrench is only supposed to be used to get the nuts/studs to a point (where it judders as thats how an impact wrench works :rolleyes: got 6 of them here in the workshop and support vehicle) where they can be finished off using a torque wrench to the specified setting. All service manuals will specify a setting for which a mechanic will be expected to tighten to. Few owners manuals will specify a wheel change these days apart from to fit a spare for emergency purposes only and all manufacturers will expect the owner to get the original wheel properly refitted by a mechanic to replace the spare.

Nissan specify between 75ft/lb to 90ft/lb for most vehicles, that requires a hell of an effort to loosen with a short wrench as supplied with most vehicles and even then bodyweight may have to be used to loosen a nut after its corroded on after a year and even then it might not come loose.. Or is that Nissans fault?

adzii_nufc

07-01-2016 12:04

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35816034)

Depends on the setting of the wrench. Also the wrench is only supposed to be used to get the nuts/studs to a point (where it judders as thats how an impact wrench works :rolleyes: got 6 of them here in the workshop and support vehicle) where they can be finished off using a torque wrench to the specified setting. All service manuals will specify a setting for which a mechanic will be expected to tighten to. Few owners manuals will specify a wheel change these days apart from to fit a spare for emergency purposes only and all manufacturers will expect the owner to get the original wheel properly refitted by a mechanic to replace the spare.

Sorry, wording it poorly, that's it. The impact. The point I was getting across was to clowns that are still pushing the trigger 5-10 seconds after. Just to trying to justify some of what Mr K was saying. Not speaking against all mechanics their either but there's plenty of lazy inept ones in industrial estates.

In fairness before I went to NMUK (No longer work there anyway) I always thought you just pressed it till it literally wouldn't creep any further :erm:

heero_yuy

07-01-2016 12:10

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I'm glad the place I get my tyres use the impact wrench for an initial tighten and then a manual torqe wrench correctly set for the final tighten.

Overtightening can cause the studs/bolts to fail, apart from the user being unable* to loosen them when needed and is just as dangerious as under tight.

*Bit of scaffold pole ;)

adzii_nufc

07-01-2016 12:27

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35816040)

Well naturally that's what your meant to do and most reputable places do. A lot of individual and single shop mechanics will too obviously but there's plenty of cowboys.

I can half name a place as I don't wish to expose personal information, it's in Sunderland and they specialise in write off's and maintaining cars for taxi use (rented out to taxi companies)

They go absolutely mental with 'windy guns' and myself and grandfather could never get the nuts off (Grandparents owned a firm) The reason I'd rather not name is because farting around with windy guns wasn't the only thing they were useless at. 'Fixing' write off's and selling them :erm:

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35816034)

Nissan specify between 75ft/lb to 90ft/lb for most vehicles, that requires a hell of an effort to loosen with a short wrench as supplied with most vehicles and even then bodyweight may have to be used to loosen a nut after its corroded on after a year and even then it might not come loose.. Or is that Nissans fault?

Depends if you can name the vehicle line up, AFAIK there were only 4 line vehicles whilst I was present, Note, Juke, Leaf and Qashqai.

Being completely honest, I never loosened one there without the windy gun so I couldn't tell you what they're like to take off manually, employees were just told a woman should be able to remove it. It should be their fault though if they can't be removed, everything in their op sheet has to be followed unconditionally by all employees. At the time I assumed someone as reputable as that knew exactly what they were doing. Then there's the opposite side of Mr K's point, not being able to take your wheel off without a trip to the mechanics? or your wheel just falling off whilst driving.

''There's a reason it's done this way'' That's what you're told if you question it.. without ever hearing that reason :rolleyes:

For reference if possible of course (Nissan specify between 75ft/lb to 90ft/lb for most vehicles) what would you consider optimal? using either your own opinion or another manufacturers.

Hugh	07-01-2016 14:16

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35816030)

To be fair to the guy, he didn't want this news to become public knowledge....

I wonder why he mentioned it, then?

He also said

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The mechanics were absolutely certain of [foul play] but I have decided to take no further action.’

which has been directly contradicted by the French Garage owner and police.

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The mechanics claim this conversation did not take place.

Speaking to Libération, the mechanic that rescued Mr Farage and the prosecutor who would have been in charge of any investigation both denied ever suspecting any foul play.

Philip Marquis, owner of the garage that fixed Mr Farage’s Volvo, said that it wasn’t until they reached the garage in Marck that they noticed the nuts were loose. And though Mr Marquis did say he had ‘never seen anything like it’, he added that he believed the nuts to have been wrongly screwed on after another repair and did not suspect any sort of sabotage.

Mr Marquis says that the reason he knows for certain that no one told Mr Farage about any sabotage is because neither he nor his employees speak any English.

‘We had to talk in sign language,’ he said.

Libération further reports that no witness vouches for Mr Farage’s reported account and the police didn’t mention any sabotage either. A source said police arrived at the accident, but found no one hurt and so did not examine the car.

‘Hence they could not suspect anything.’

‘If they had noticed a sabotage, they would have had to open an investigation,’ the Dunkirk prosecutor who would have led any investigation said.

Under French law, the prosecutor would have had to open an investigation even if Mr Farage didn’t ask for a police inquiry.

‘Mr Farage was clearly dishonest when he says this assumption [the alleged assassination attempt] is based on what the mechanics and the police allegedly told him,’ Libération concludes.

‘Not only did they not say anything, but they did not even suspect a thing.’

Speaking to metro.co.uk, Mr Farage said he had ‘no desire for this story [the initial report of the accident] to come out.’

‘I never mentioned any mechanic. As far as I’m concerned, this is a dead story,’ he said.

So he first said the mechanics were absolutely certain of foul play, and then said he never mentioned any mechanics....

Damien

07-01-2016 14:37

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Again who wants 'no further action' if someone tried to kill them and since when was that something the police had to have the permission of the victim to follow up on?

adzii_nufc

07-01-2016 15:01

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He said this and he said that. Without any evidence of the conversation at all it becomes nothingness.. or what we call 'tabloids' :D

On another note what if it is a genuine assassination attempt, Cologne this week tells you the police can try and cover things up and of course in that case failed miserably. Conspiracy theorists wet dream. Movie coming 2017.

Hom3r

07-01-2016 19:17

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Any 1/2 decent garage will torque wrench nuts.

Ramrod

07-01-2016 20:03

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35816059)

I wonder why he mentioned it, then?

afaik, he didn't. Someone leaked it and now he's had to talk about it.

Hugh	07-01-2016 20:26

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35816140)

afaik, he didn't. Someone leaked it and now he's had to talk about it.

Or he could have said "nothing much happened, I'm OK, no fuss" instead of saying "well, I don't want to talk about, but if I have to, someone tried to assassinate me"...

Also, he said the mechanics said it was foul play, and the mechanics, and their boss, said they didn't say this - what about that point?

Ramrod

07-01-2016 20:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35816145)

No idea. If i come across more info I'll post it :shrug:
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The MEP told The Mail on Sunday : "The French police looked at it and said that sometimes nuts on one wheel can come a bit loose – but not on all four."
When he was asked who he thought might have been responsible, Mr Farage replied: "I haven’t got a clue.

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