Sky Q and VM answer ?
 

With Sky Q set to launch this year, and it looks very good although for a premium. Does VM have an answer to this service? or it just going to do the same and keep pumping out faster internet?

Sky Q looks like it will have everything Tivo has, but more and better. Tivo has not really improved at all since its launch, I think VM TV is becoming stagnant, I know they are moving away from TV, but they should still be trying to improve the service?

Anyone heard anything through the grapevine?

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If you had a launch TiVo and compared it side by side to the current update you would find a lot has changed.

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But nothing of mass note, its been quite a while since it launched, I did expect some greater improvements.
The standard stuff has improved like speed etc, but no landmark improvements.

Looking at the Tivo services available in other countries ours is being left behind. ANyone seen the TIVO Bolt????

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Yep, it is slower and reboots more often :)

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Not in our household......

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I agree, we badly need some progress on this.

A new Tivo is being planned and I am hopeful it will launch later this year. Hopefully the speed issue will be resolved with the new box and a lot more streaming and on demand content will be added.

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Not in my house it doesn't.

I do agree though that it needs some improvements in RAM and better management of it. A built in WiFi connection and cloud based storage would be better.

Am sure there was a recent TiVo improvements thread already.

Here it is

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...hat-would.html

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Had a flick through that thread, is there anything concrete though? that seems like a wishlist.

There are the obvious improvements like speed, but something groundbreaking would be amazing. I am intrigued by what the new box will do. I just hope it's not a lame improvement like just speed and larger HDD.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

The Tivo bolt will do what the forthcoming Sky Q will do, though not quite so many tuners. However Tivo have indicated that they are working on an updated Roamio, which I think does have more tuners than the Bolt.

Whether VM adopt the Bolt or an improved Roamio (or more likely the software of each in new VM hardware), only they will know, anyone who does know will be under a NDA.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Tivo Bolt and SkyQ aren't really comparable , the SkyQ Silver is meant as a master box feeding SkyQ minis and Tablets hence 12 tuners I believe the Bolt only has 4 tuners so would struggle feeding Tivo mini's.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

This is what I was referring to. It is a Q & A with Ira Bahr, Tivo's CMO on the Tivo community forums. I read this several months ago and found the whole thing interesting and it is well worth a read.

This is an extract from the first post by Ira, where he talks about a better product than the bolt being developed for a 2016 release, and expands on that later in the thread.


http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sho...d.php?t=532368

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

For me personally SkyQ would represent a great addition , the mini box doesn't require any extra satellite cabling like my current multiroom box and can be moved to a different room if required , our tablets can pick up live TV , DVR recordings and On Demand all bookmarked.

For our house it's never been an issue paying for equipment upfront however I'm changing here , in the current market I much prefer VM's method of including the equipment in the subscription costs. Why the change ? Simple the market is now so fierce with products continually changing its no longer beneficial paying large upfront costs.

Sky haven't announced pricing yet and there was speculation they'd change to a similar rental method however personally I can't see it I guess time will tell.

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As I said, and have now posted a link to, Tivo will be releasing a new Tivo this year, that will have at least 6 tuners and a 3TB hard drive. That is the current top end Roamio spec, so the new model could have more.

Time will tell which will be the best option and providing VM do adopt the software in a new box, the jury is still out.
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Agreed which is great if your looking at the box as a single DVR however those tuners soon get taken away if feeding minis or tablets with live TV.

Don't forget SkyQ Silver allows 4 shows to be recorded whilst watching a 5th and the ability to feed 2 minis and 2 tablets.

I think the tuners are used as follows

4 for recording
1 for live TV viewing on main box
2 for 2 Sky Q Mini boxes
2 for 2 tablets
With the rest used for future expansion

SkyQ Silver needs a larger HDD than a 2TB especially when UHD arrives considering it will record the whole homes shows , many Multiroom subscribers now have 1 2TB and the standard Sky+HD giving them greater capacity.

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But we don't know what the new Tivo box will be like. I would be surprised if it was just a Roamio with bigger drives and more tuners. The Roamio was a top of the range PVR two and a half years ago, and the new box is classed as an enthusiasts box. I know your loyalty to Sky wants the new Q box to be the best; it is impressive and it may well be so. But I fail to see how you can be sure of that until the new US Tivo is revealed. That's when I will make a judgement.

And of course, it's not certain that VM will actually release a new box this year, and if they do, which Tivo software will they base it on and what hardware they will use?

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Sorry mate I've just spat my coffee out laughing , loyalty I'm not sure Sky retentions would agree. There's only one reason I'm still with Sky and its discount although to be fair I've generally had a good customer experience in my time with them. I personally don't want any one supplier to have a upper hand healthy competition benefits all my comparison was merely you stating a 6 tuner TiVo on the horizon.

I do see a future where the one master box records and other rooms have small wireless slave boxes with no HDD its been like this for a while in the States.

I'll openly admit it I think SkyQ is a bold move and one that will have plenty of future innovation it will however no doubt cost the earth like most things Sky venture into.

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I definitely agree with you on that, and it has set the standard that other UK providers will have to at least match with any forthcoming boxes.
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Paying for tv... no thanks

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So how do you obtain your TV shows? Do you just stick to Freview channels?

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Ive got a freesat box, I dont miss all the american junk and repeats on discovery and sky 1

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Many (a majority probably) do the same as you and just use either Freesat or Freeview

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The UK has 26.7 million households, and Sky has 12 million TV customers, VM has around 4 million, and BT around 1.3 million, adding up to 17.3 million, making around 2/3rds of households using Sky/VM/BT.

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I remembered after I posted that I'd checked figures a few years ago, and was surprised that was the case but couldn't' be bothered to check. After all, this thread isn't about Freview/Freesat PVRs.

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Well if VM do launch a new box then that would be amazing. It will hopefully rival the Sky Q service which does look very good albeit at what i would assume an extreme premium.
I am especially intrigued by the use of the slave boxes that also double up as WiFi hubs, as we all know connection can always be an issue. Also the fact the salve boxes are free from cabling which means they can be moved around, another huge plus.

I would hope VM/ Tivo do attempt to rival Sky in this manner. If they manage to build something that combines the Romario and Bolt then that could be a huge Sky Q killer.

My only gripe will be that we all know it takes VM an age to release anything new, and there are always issues and delays, if they say this year it will be next. By which time Sky Q will likely be in full swing.

VM have the best & fastest internet they could really use this and integrate it better with Tv services like cloud storage of programs and more streaming to extra devices - Two is just not enough. I get the reason to lock it down so you can't share it with the whole world, but surely they could add a few extra devices and lock it to the house internet?

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Did anyone else get a huge long survey from VM a while back discussing hardware platforms? There were many questions about having extra tuners and the ability to view and download recorded programs to tablets/mobiles, etc.

Clearly VM are looking at things...

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I did not get one, but I vaguely remember others mentioning this.

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YouTube rival Vimeo in talks to join Sky Q

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...oin-Sky-Q.html

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One Virginmedias problem is always going to be the fact one company makes the TiVo box, another supplies the TiVo software, and various company's provide the content. So producing a high end box cost effectively is never going to happen.

Sky design their own software, they manufacture their set top boxes, and they own/licence some of the most popular channels/content.

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Good point. Talk Talk have about 1.3 million TV customers too. Add them into the mix and your up to 18.6 million households with pay TV. That's 70% of UK households. I wonder how many of the remaining 30% have services like Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, NOW TV etc... ? UK is a pay TV nation

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Producing hardware, software and content are three very different tasks. Going to the experts in each field is the way to get the best overall product.

In fact VM have two suppliers of the TiVo hardware (Cisco and Samsung). They have to compete against each other, so have a further incentive to produce the best product at the best price.

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I'd still argue that it puts a company at a significant competitive disadvantage if it doesn't wholly own its user experience when its biggest competition and those out to disrupt the market (Netflix, Amazon, Apple) all do.

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You mean the one that they screwed Tivo over for :erm:

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I'd say in part it will. eg BT and Youview being a prime example. Terrible GUI and rubbish hardware. BT just use it they didn't degign it or add anything to it.

But with VM they set the specs of the hardware and put it out to tender a contract and also have a contract with TiVo and are both actively involved in making changes and requesting changes/fixes/updates.

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I'd disagree completely the Youview is an excellent experience.

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I believe at one time. you couldn't add padding to Youview box recordings, it relied solely on a DEPG. is that still the case? DEPGs without the ability to turn them off and add padding to a recording wouldn't work for me.

And what about lifelong series links?

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I have absolutely no idea nor do I particularly care , the box records everything I've asked of it and is very intuitive to use. I think your general use and mine probably differ some.

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Back when Virgin Media was an independent company it certainly seemed to be the case that there was a healthy relationship with TiVo. And what usually happens when one company's success is dependent on technology from another is that the former ends up taking a stake in the latter to minimise the risks and ensure their requirements are properly met. I expected that to happen with VM and TiVo - and I imagine TiVo's investors saw an eventual full buyout by VM as a potential exit for the business too. However, since the Liberty Global takeover the focus seems to have changed and the low-profit TV side in the UK has been neglected while TiVo's strategy seems to have returned to focussing on customers of their own hardware. That's why I'm doubtful of any big improvements to TV while LG continue to own the business.

I'd also agree with Muppetman that YouView has one of the better STB UIs out there.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

UI's wise, I fully trust yours and MM's view on. It is functionality that is paramount to me.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Asa little update to this. SKY Q has now had a hands on review.

http://www.stuff.tv/sky/sky-q/review

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It's had a lot of hands on reviews

http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/13...vision-is-here

https://recombu.com/digital/article/sky-q-hands-on

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I don't understand why Virgin still hasn't come up with a faster UI, It's the one thing i've always hated, every time i use a friends Sky box i wish Virgin would make a UI as fast as that

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Interestingly, in the US, legislators look set to open up the market for cable devices so that customers do not need to use their TV platform's set top devices.
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/...n-up-us-cable/

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

That's really always been the case in the US though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCARD

The problem has been is that technology got ahead of the regulation, so it's more about bringing the open access regulations up to date.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

If we had an open market here, it would certainly encourage VM to work a bit harder to speed up the Tivo box!

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You do understand that updating something like a Tivo box is no where near as simple or inexpensive as a fifty quid streamer box, which can be quite easily updated on a yearly basis? Development wise, a streamer box nowhere near as complicated as a Tivo box, which has way more functionality.

If VM brought a new box out annually, I'm sure you wouldn't be willing to pay the extra cost involved

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

I wasn't suggesting we should have a new box annually, but you could not have failed to notice the frustration many feel about Tivo speeds.

I assume that the VM Tivo is slow because it doesn't have sufficient memory to perform its many tasks.

If that is the case, it does rather show a lack of foresight. Hopefully, they will get this right with the new box and assume in its design that it will carry a range of streaming services as well as enabling us to save our programme preferences to the Cloud.

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I'm not sure that's completely fair.

The current TiVo box hardware was made available to customers in December 2010 so would have been in development for a period of time before that (the partnership was announced in November 2009).

So some of the services you're comparing VM's TiVo to now didn't exist then, and even where some did, they're no longer supported (try getting iPlayer, Netflix or other streaming services on Smart TVs and consumer AV kit from 2009/2010)

I'm sure Virgin Media could have well created more powerful hardware at the time, but it would have meant charging more for it. And we all know how that would have gone down.

I do completely appreciate that 6 years is a long time in regards to hardware, but you only have to look at the responses that do happen when Virgin change their broadband kit, or recently where they're doing SciAt V+ swap to see that no matter which way around it goes, there is always someone that doesn't want to change, or is unhappy that they can't change.

I'm not denying that the existing TiVo hardware is likely due for some form of replacement, but you only have to look at the fact that most of what Sky Q does, TiVo already does to see that it's not that far behind the cure.

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The development cycle for cable service boxes is around five years (apparently Tivo themselves have a 3 year cycle, but it obviously takes longer to implement Tivo software for VM requirements.)

It's processor speeds that improve vastly in those years and make a 5 year old Tivo box slow compared to less complicated streamer boxes that can have the processor updated with each annual release (and doesn't have to do as much processing anyway).

And don't forget, when you complain about lack of over the top services on Tivo, when Tivo did launch on VM, it was the only box around that did integrate standard PVR functionality with app activity.

If/when VM release a new box, speed wise it should be great, but at the end of it's life cycle people will be moaning once again that it's slow. Such is the nature of that kind of equipment, when people demand more and more functionality be added year by year to a box that won't have it's processing power updated for around five years.

I use Tivo purely as a PVR and it's speed is fine. For streaming and catchup services, for the reasons outlined above I don't expect Tivo, at this stage in it's life to be fast, so use inexpensive streamer boxes. But having said that, Tivo currently is still perfectly adequate for OTT services, providing you don't want really fast load times.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

One of the biggest problems now is only having three tuners and also we could do with more memory as well as it fills up too quickly.

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if we had the 500Gb box I'd have to agree with you - our 1Tb is often around 40-odd% after a busy month, easily 70% after holidays etc, but we do record 80%-plus in HD these days which doesn't help.

But...wouldn't MPEG2/4 help with this as well?

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The problem is sometimes there are 5 or 6 things all on at the same time in the evening and even allowing for +1 channels there are still not enough tuners for my liking.

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The proposed Sky Q pricing has been leaked. http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...cement-1313992

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This is the best source ;)

https://corporate.sky.com/media-cent...t-from-just-99

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Here's an interesting article from Trusted Reviews comparing the forthcoming Sky Q to Virgin Media's offering. http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/sky-q-vs-virgin

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I'm currently on half price deal with them (TV only) so might consider it when that expires. Hopefully by then, they'll be supporting other broadband providers.

It's an extra £12, but it includes Sky Go Extra which is an extra £5 or £6 anyway and the luxury of being able to take recordings with you is something that appeals. It's my main gripe with the current system.

Am I correct in assuming the box is now rented like Virgin Media as I note that service call outs are now included (specifically itemised in the table)?

I also heard is requires a new LNB? Might be an issue as we have a communal dish in my development...

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Until Sky Q hits the streets The current Tivo is still the one with the most tuners. You can't do comparisons with a box that is not yet available.

Do you not think these two issues will be addressed with a new VM box?

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As good as Sky Q looks, those set up fees are very high as expected for a premium product. £50 + £299 If you don't have Sky BB, Wow!

I'm glad I renewed my VM contract recently, really happy with the deal I got so I'll take another look in 12 months time. Hopefully VM will have something new too by then.

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I think you also qualify for the lower upfront costs if you sub to Sky Movies or Sky Sports.

I agree however those setup costs are expensive , it should have been £49 for Sky and £79 for Sky Q Silver.

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l am confident that both will be addressed but the sooner it happens the better in my opinion.

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I will have SkyQ fitted as soon as I can, I don't think you can compare TiVo and SkyQ.

It's like VM TiVo is Nokia 100 and SkyQ is latest smart phone.

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Wow that's quite a statement to make.....

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So you're comparing a five year old box with one that's due launch in 4 weeks?

I'm guess in VM will be bringing out a new box soon.

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Yes l noticed that in the link that MM posted.

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I'd like to see proper multiroom/multi device support. Something a little better than the half arsed attempt VM have made at it so far..

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Sorry, Ben, I didn't mean to be unfair. The Tivo box is excellent in every way as far as I am concerned, the only problem being with the speed.

I do appreciate that developments in this area are coming thick and fast, but the addition of streaming services must surely have been anticipated back in 2009, even if the precise services may not have been known at the time.

I do also understand that price is an issue, but I hope the new box has sufficient processor capacity to deal with developments in this area that can be reasonably foreseen.

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The were, hence Cindy Rose's infamous 'Hundreds of apps' statement ;)

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Well l don't we have even got 40 of them and that's 6 years later.

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Which is what makes her statement 'infamous' :D

Still, the intentions were there!

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Intention is one thing as we know but actual deliverance is another.

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Completely agree, as great as it was to be the first to do it, they did make a pigs ear of it.

It will be interesting to see if Sky Q has any limitations for multiroom streaming. The marketing implies not but we'll see from the real world reviews when they start installations.

I'm going to assume all recordings can be watched on any box, if this is indeed the case then VM need to get negotiating with those channel providers to keep up

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

The HDMI IN slot on the new SkyQ box has certainly tweaked my interest. If it's for, what I think its for, I may consider moving back to Rupert's warm embrace.

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What do you think it's for? Games console pass through? Google play? It can be for any HDMI output device. HDMI in is nothing new.

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Kodi? :)

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Now that would be interesting :)

J

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The new stock levels for my van came out and there is a section for a "new" set top box.

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But if the intention wasn't there, you wouldn't have any! ;)

Anyway, my original coment on Cindy Rose was a light hearted throw away comment, not really meant for serious discussion!

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You obviously do not understand the Internet.

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Then please explain...

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I see she is now at Vodafone.

Does that mean they are launching TV soon?

Sky Q does look awesome, especially the WiFi extender features.

Hope VM do something similar.

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There is no reason why they can't. The Tivo Bolt software combined with the promised Roamio update/replacement's spec. should easily match the functionality of Sky Q.

It's all a matter of where VM decide to pitch the current Tivo's replacement.

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l suspect they will do something pretty impressive sometime this year.

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They need to., and I truly hope they do.

I have been with cable since Nynex in the late 90's and have never felt closer to ditching it.

I am a luddite and quite honestly like linear programming. Tuesday night is Gold Rush night, but I am dying and breed and the four teenagers in this house live on a diet of You Tube and Netflix. The service offering needs to change and the Broadband needs to be more stable, consistent and reliable. the 50Mb to 100Mb range seems fast enough if it was reliable throughout the day and evening.

Come on VM its your last warning from me......

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Yes l can certainly understand your sentiments hedgie as we ourselves have been with them since the Eurobell days and if they don't do anything this year which is highly unlikely then they could see the parting of the red sea as more and more customers migrate to rivals who are offering increasingly much more then Virgin are

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The thing is, Den, that Virgin always keep forthcoming changes very close to their chests. Hell, we rarely get advised officially of new channels half the time except to say they've arrived!

I think there will be a new Tivo box out later this year, and hopefully that will measure up to the Sky Q box.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Who are the rivals and what are increasingly offering more than VM?

There is still only one real rival, Sky, and their advantages over VM have been the same for several years, namely Sky Atlantic. VM countered some of that for sports fans by adding BT sport.

Until VM reveal their answer to Sky Q, and Sky Q hits peoples homes, which is a month away, you can't justifiably factor that in.

So what else has changed recently? BT got AMC but that doesn't make up for the lack of other channels compared to VM. Sky will be adding Showtime content. I think that Sky got many of the Showtime content anyway.

It seems to me that the Sky Q announcement, which without doubt is impressive, has made some people lose perspective of the true differences between Sky and VM which simply boils down to Sky Atlantic, which has been the same for several years.

Now if VM doesn't come up with an answer to Sky Q, then there is a point to make. But why aren't people prepared to wait for VM's response to Sky Q before deciding that VM's service is now poor in comparison to Sky?

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I agree, PB.

The frustration is down to the lack of decent new channels and streaming services, slow Tivo speeds and the feeling that Sky is hogging content with more exclusive deals. So I think Den is right in that sense, and VM really need to offer additional content that sets it apart from Sky, but in a good way. The new streaming music channels are an advance, but VM customers seem to be demanding more.

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They have stood still on the TV side for several years now as we are missing several channels we should have had a long time ago in my opinion plus their on demand has gone downhill significantly in these last couple of years as well as Sky's on demand simply blows it out of the water.

Next they have repeatedly upped their prices several times a year as well and its getting to the point where people say no more unless there is something in return which has certainly not been forthcoming by Virgin in these past couple of years.

Also they have been very slow to develop apps for the TiVo despite stating several times that things were going to happen and we are still waiting sadly for any improvement in this section.

l have not lost any perspective at all as l am just stating that if Virgin don't start to up their game soon they are going to lose quite a few customers and l think you would find that hard to argue with PB.

There are two unique selling points Virgin have currently and they are its excellent broadband and the XL TV pack having BT Sport and if those go they are in serious trouble in my opinion.

The TiVo was a excellent bit of kit when it was released but its looking its age now so again they need to do something there and its imperative that they have something up their sleeve there sometime this year or they will lose customers over that as well.

As l say many of its loyal customers are starting think the unthinkable and we certainly could not have said that several years ago but they have stood still and got complacent in my opinion while the competition has caught up and gone past them on several fronts now and l hate to say that.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

I think VM have stood pretty still on adding new channels this last year, but 2014 was a bumper year and most of us were happy then, even though we were still lagging behind Sky.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

1-For me and many others suffering cripplingly bad connections due to overselling, poor network planning and under capacity the broadband is an unreliable second rate product. Their headline speeds are now so far beyond what most users actually need it doesn't matter if Sky or BT are slower, they are fast enough. So the BB advantage is being eroded anyway

2- The interface on the Sky+ was always better, more intuitive and faster than TiVO

3 - Maybe it's just me but Sky Go seems way better than TV Anywhere

4 - VM have no real version of sky store with Free DVD's.

Sorry but it needs to improve, and fast.

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I would agree with you comments on the broadband, I line in an area where I could get VM Vivid 200mb. But I choose 80mb from Sky,

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I'm curious, when was the last time you (or anyone) needed to record four programmes all at the same time (as well as watching a fifth).

How many households have five people that all need to watch different programmes at the same time (spread across tablets & mini boxes).

Seems to me that almost no one really needs that many tuners, its just a gimmick.

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I used to think that way about TiVo; that I'd never possibly need 3 tuners. Now I find 3 red lights on quite often - not that I ever find time to watch all of it...
If only TiVo wasn't so painfully slow - its become its main drawback. Sky boxes and VM's own vhd, put it to shame.

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Errr...

We have four teenagers and two adults in the house.

Currently I am surprised quite how often TiVO has three red lights on. A couple of series links and wish lists is all it takes really. I can see this splurge of tuners as trying to reign in the Netflix, You Tube watchers and bring this content into the Sky ecosystem.

Watching with interest to see how this pans out vs the streaming options. I will be surprised if I have the same TV provision in 18 months as I do now.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

I have Sky Multiroom now and there has been numerous times when both boxes have been recording using both tuners , you'd be suprised how much kids record and how much content they consume on their tablets also.

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You would surprised how many good series or programmes are put on at the same time during the evening as only last week there were 5 good programmes on at the same time and then a hour later there were several more and then there is the irritating habit of things never starting on time so that has to be factored in as well.

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Also suggestions often will use 2 of the tuners without you realising.
Would be good to have more tuners then perhaps allocate a particular amount of them to suggestions.

So if you really like what it throws up, give it 2/3.
If you don't then maybe just one tuner at a time

Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
 

Depends how many people live in the home. 200 meg divided amongst four people is noticably slower than 80 meg used by one (assuming they are all using BB)
Each to their own, but I disagree. I always found the Sky + to be one of the most user unfriendly peices of kit I have used.
Can't really comment as I haven't used Sky Go. But, TV anywhere needs a lot of work IMO.
Is that *really* a selling point when Amazon have a far wider selection of DVDs and Blu Rays available than Sky, a lot of which can also be streamed via Ultraviolet?
Agreed.

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But the moment you start recording a different channel, one of the suggestions will stop and actually be deleted. No problem.

Re: Sky Q and VM answer ?
 

IMO the supposed upcoming war of the set top boxes between Sky's Q and Virgin Media's upgraded TiVo will not be who has the superior box (my guess is they will be roughly equal in features) but who has the better content to watch via them. Sadly, no prizes for guessing who that will be.