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Arthurgray50@blu 29-12-2015 16:07

Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-28/m...t-a-care-home/

This is one of the saddest stories that l have ever read. The poor guy must have been at the end of tether when he done this

Saw his wife in the chair, and decided that he couldn't see her suffer anymore and pulled the trigger

And then the care home manager cuddled him to take the gun of him and he said 'enough'

RIP dear lady.:(

Kymmy 29-12-2015 16:15

re: Care home resident shot dead.
 
So you think an illegal weapon in the hands of anyone is sad?? He deserves to be done for murder and charged with firearm offences.. If this incident hadn't of happened then who knows where that revolver may have ended up and how many others may have been killed.

Ramrod 29-12-2015 16:26

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afaik, it was a home for dementia sufferers. It looks like the old man thought it was a 'mercy killing' and it possibly was. The weapon is being reported as a WW2 relic that he has probably kept safe all these years. I doubt that he cares what happens to him now after what he's had to do :(

Stephen 29-12-2015 16:40

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
you just making quotes up? Doesn't say anywhere in that article that he said anything at all! He was also a resident there.

Also he shot her and killed here, there for commited murder and should be punished as such.

Arthurgray50@blu 29-12-2015 16:48

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
I would suggest you all read the newspapers. I have read several on this.

Yes, the old guy used a gun, yes, it is sad. But the poor guy's mind was all messed up

Stephen 29-12-2015 17:48

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
How do you know his mind was all messed up? Have you spoke with him and performed a mental health assessment?

No, well stop making assumptions.

multiskilled 29-12-2015 19:51

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35814748)
Also he shot her and killed here, there for commited murder and should be punished as such.

Do you not think you should wait until the police have investigated, the CPS to decide whether to prosecute him based on that investigation and a jury to find him guilty of the crime rather than you decide he is guilty based on a news story.

Damien 29-12-2015 20:28

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
Charged with murder: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-35195377

Arthurgray50@blu 29-12-2015 20:53

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I cannot honestly see any court sending him to prison. His lawyer will probably go on the grounds of his age, and state of mind at the time of the action.

Don't know what others think.

I think its a very sad case

Ramrod 29-12-2015 22:46

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35814748)
you just making quotes up? Doesn't say anywhere in that article that he said anything at all! He was also a resident there.

Also he shot her and killed here, there for commited murder and should be punished as such.

accused of shooting his wife in an alleged mercy killing

Derek 30-12-2015 08:09

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35814794)
I cannot honestly see any court sending him to prison. His lawyer will probably go on the grounds of his age, and state of mind at the time of the action.

It's a sad case but does it justify what he did? I don't think so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35814794)
Don't know what others think.

Regardless of what's gone on before shooting someone in the head isn't something I think should be brushed away.
There is zero chance of him reoffending and probably little chance he will be still alive for many years so maybe consigning him to a secure hospital would be the best course of action.

Maggy 30-12-2015 08:51

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I think it's a very sad situation..:(

Ramrod 30-12-2015 15:26

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35814846)
It's a sad case but does it justify what he did? I don't think so.

You can't say that. His wife may have asked him to do it :shrug:

Julian 30-12-2015 21:46

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35814850)
I think it's a very sad situation..:(

And that is what Arthur is saying

It doesn't stop his stalker from attacking his every post sadly.

tweedle 30-12-2015 22:12

Re: Care home resident shot dead.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35814742)
So you think an illegal weapon in the hands of anyone is sad?? He deserves to be done for murder and charged with firearm offences.. If this incident hadn't of happened then who knows where that revolver may have ended up and how many others may have been killed.

I now understand your Corbyn supporting "my way or the highway" view of things. Vile!

Stephen 31-12-2015 08:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35814952)
I now understand your Corbyn supporting "my way or the highway" view of things. Vile!

Whats vile?

He had a gun(which he shouldn't have)

He shot and killed someone with it(Whether you try to say she asked for it or not)

Owning a firearm and killing someone are still both crimes at the end of the day and requires punishment.

Kymmy 31-12-2015 08:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35814952)
I now understand your Corbyn supporting "my way or the highway" view of things. Vile!

you should read my other posts then which are attacking Corbyn and confirming myself as a conservative voter after many years of labour support. Shame on you for trying to twist this into another anti-corbyn thread.. :td:

Let's see what the laws of the land are:

Assisted Suicide = Unlawful (involuntary is regarder as murder)
Murder = Unlawful (mandatory life sentence)
Possessing a firearm = Unlawful (mandatory 5 year sentence)

What right did he have to make the decision to murder his spouse? What right did he have to even possess a weapon. I wasn't in the least attacking Arthur as he's a refreshing change to most sheep on here as he posts his own feelings but I was attacking his viewpoint that we should feel sorry for the person with no incriminations towards that person who committed the offences.

I think that Ronald King fully accepts that he has done wrong no matter what his legal council gets him to plead in the future. He probably thought about it long an hard from when he got the gun out of the little hiding spot to when he pulled the trigger. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision but probably the hardest decision of his life of which he's already accepted the consequences. Also his plan was to commit suicide which he didn't do so he was sure enough to commit murder yet not sure enough to take his own life.

There are many people out there who seem to want to end the suffering of others, gawd knows I had many in my own family who came out of the woodwork after my father went into hospital for the final time one Christmas day offering to squeeze the morphine drip and end it all early. Yet they were no-where to be seen the months earlier whilst he was struggling bed bound in severe pain. Cowards the bloody lot of them.

tweedle 31-12-2015 19:30

Re: Care home resident shot dead.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35814995)
you should read my other posts then which are attacking Corbyn and confirming myself as a conservative voter after many years of labour support. Shame on you for trying to twist this into another anti-corbyn thread.. :td:

Let's see what the laws of the land are:

Assisted Suicide = Unlawful (involuntary is regarder as murder)
Murder = Unlawful (mandatory life sentence)
Possessing a firearm = Unlawful (mandatory 5 year sentence)

What right did he have to make the decision to murder his spouse? What right did he have to even possess a weapon. I wasn't in the least attacking Arthur as he's a refreshing change to most sheep on here as he posts his own feelings but I was attacking his viewpoint that we should feel sorry for the person with no incriminations towards that person who committed the offences.

I think that Ronald King fully accepts that he has done wrong no matter what his legal council gets him to plead in the future. He probably thought about it long an hard from when he got the gun out of the little hiding spot to when he pulled the trigger. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision but probably the hardest decision of his life of which he's already accepted the consequences. Also his plan was to commit suicide which he didn't do so he was sure enough to commit murder yet not sure enough to take his own life.

There are many people out there who seem to want to end the suffering of others, gawd knows I had many in my own family who came out of the woodwork after my father went into hospital for the final time one Christmas day offering to squeeze the morphine drip and end it all early. Yet they were no-where to be seen the months earlier whilst he was struggling bed bound in severe pain. Cowards the bloody lot of them.


I do feel sorry that you come from a family cowards (your own words) I have also had a family member ill and suffering, thankgod our parents showed us how to be strong and to be fighters. But again, you have my pitty that you come from such a family that just wanted to end the life of a loved one. It's vile and pathetic, I am so lucky to be part of such a honest strong family and I thank my parents.

Kymmy 31-12-2015 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35815099)
I do feel sorry that you come from a family cowards (your own words) I have also had a family member ill and suffering, thankgod our parents showed us how to be strong and to be fighters. But again, you have my pitty that you come from such a family that just wanted to end the life of a loved one. It's vile and pathetic, I am so lucky to be part of such a honest strong family and I thank my parents.

If all you have in this thread is to attack me then perhaps your honest and strong family are not to be thanked for such a failure :rofl: or are you relying on their rreputation to cover your own misgivings?

As for my family I left them 20 years ago and moved hundreds of miles away as I'm my own person and not reliant on them nor would I ever want to be.

Now are you actually going to participate on topic or should I expect more attacks from such a prestigious family :rofl:

Ramrod 01-01-2016 14:15

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
I think that Tweedle was trying to be nice. (I may be wrong)

Maggy 01-01-2016 19:28

Re: Elderly woman shot dead at care home in Essex
 
With all due respect I think we are wandering away from the topic and getting rather personal.I suggest that stepping away from the thread might be a sensible idea.


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