Calls for Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from Disneyland trip
 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp

I find this article absurd, first they get permission to fly, then it gets turned down without explanation and they will lose money

Don't you think that the family may have had enemies of jealousy and someone has called the USA Embassy.

There is more to this story, then what we are told

But then again, American has its rules, not like this pathetic Government who will let anyone in

Re: Bonkers - But following procedure
 

What rules were they following or what rules did the family break?

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If you think there is more to this story then let us know what you think it is??

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As requested (Ok its the Fail but...)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-t-either.html

It does kinda put things in a different light. Like two sides to a story? this is 't other side.

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Excellent unbiased sources - Katie (who can I hate today) Hopkins, and breitbart (look out, the Muslims are coming).

Really?

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Yes really. A little while ago I posted a rant about lefties discrediting information purely on where it is published. I was told that this is never the case and yet here you are doing it again!
No attempt to look at the information and discuss it......simply straight to the "oh, it's in the <insert hated right wing press outlet> so it must be ignored"
Really? :dozey:

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Link
Not a Muslim so of course not as much fuss.

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No offence here to anyone but this is the issue all along...

We or another country are trying to say how to run their countries or change their laws. What happens in the USA should have no bearing on our government in this way.

Yes i admit its an absurd thing they have done, but we should not be telling other countries what to do.

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Hugh is hardly a lefty and since when does katie Hopkins deal in facts she's paid to give an opinion and in her case it's usually one that'll get her as much attention as possible

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Yes we should be telling them exactly what we think imo when there to use your word absurd decision costs out citizens 9 grand

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Actually, I think there is more to this incident than meets the eye, and I hope some factual information comes out.

However, using Katie Hopkins/breitbart as evidence, when their articles are non-fact based, and just use dog-whistle phrases, doesn't have any credibility.

I feel the same about the Mirror and the SWP publication, so I am an equal-opportunity sceptic.

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tbf, according to breitbart's standards, I probably am... :D

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Oh dear that stupid woman again.:(

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The articles quoted their source of information.
CNN
So we don't know who it was that was barred.

Yet another case from nearly 3 years ago, where they weren't Muslim so of course no fuss was made.
Not a Muslim.

Re: Calls for Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from Disneyland
 

And did the family joke about blowing things up and killing people?

If not, your reference is hardly relevant.

The Japanese artist was refused a visa, not stopped from boarding a plane - your straws really are being grasped at...

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Stop refusing to accept information because you don't like the messenger/their viewpoint.

Facts are facts.

I don't particularly like Katie Hopkins but her article just happened to be the first one to state their facts.


Like it or not, hidden deep in her bs ARE some facts as verified by other sources, which explain why the Americans chose to do what they did.

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They were ALL people who were BARRED from entry into the US and they were ALL not Muslims. I'm sure that there are MANY other examples out there but nobody is that bothered because they are not Muslims.

If you need a visa to enter the US, then lack of one prevents you from going.
In this case it may well have been if they had been truthful, they might have succeeded with a full visa application.

They weren't just going to Disneyland, they were going to visit family probably for an extended period.

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Does anyone seriously think Cameron can do anything about this policy? Is he going to be asked to 'intervene' every time someone or other falls foul of it or only when the circumstances suit one agenda or another?

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Not my words but certainly my sentiment. from here

http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/thr...248609/page-16

I see a report in the Torygraph saying that the entire group was NOT banned from travelling, as the claims of the group go, one of the adults had been banned from entering Israel and that one of the minors had links to terrorist websites on his facebook page.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...im-family.html

Now, it is common for you to be refused entry to various countries if you have already been barred from entry to another country, and having any sort of links to terrorist websites on your facebook, for whatever reason, is frikking stupidity in the highest degree.

Now that tells me that they were not refused entry as a group, but two were due to their own actions. It also tells me that this had eff all to do with them being muslim, and everything to do with previous actions by two of the group.

So you can huff and you can puff as much as you like, but in this case it looks like you're barking up the wrong tree

Looks more like the same old feeling that the Muslim chap in the news was trying to inflame the unfounded issue of Muslims being victimized.

I'm not trying to be PC, simply measured. I think that things are going too far with people being terrified to speak the truth. Moderate Muslims need to step up to the plate and either support and facilitate being inclusive or not. It's an unfortunate fact that the public in the west is being manipulated by the shouty bearded types, in so much as the public won't generally say what they feel, as they will be branded either a racist or victimizing Muslims.

Yet again, a cry from someone who claims to be victimized makes international news. Now it comes to light that there were links from his IP address to radical Islam. Well done the USA for denying him entry. What pees me off is that true injustice gets eclipsed by the shouty bearded types claiming victimization.

It's now become fashionable and in some cases a knee jerk reaction to stand behind any perceived injustice towards a Muslim regardless of the facts.

Equality and inclusiveness is what makes us different from the psychopathic apocalyptic death cult that ISIS truly is. Unfortunately, that very value is being used against us. Fortunately in the west you have freedom of speech but I find it harmful, to say the least, when people get dragged into a perceived and und unfounded claim of ... It's because he is Muslim.

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As I said earlier, I thought there was more to this than met the eye.

We now have facts, rather than the smears put about by Katie Hopkins, which were (from your first link) I think the US government has done the right thing, but the information put forward for Katie Hopkins at the time was a farrago of innuendo and bull.

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Sovereign countries have the right to bar entry to anyone they like (or dislike) for whatever reason they see fit.

I was barred from entering Israel because I had previously visited Egypt. Then I was barred from visiting Egypt again, as I had "travelled to Israel".

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Exactly. At least they're trying to police their borders unlike here where every Tom, Dick and Abdul can just waltz in.

I remember advice from when I travelled to Egypt and Israel was to have two passports one used for each country so they couldn't see each others stamps.

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I think something that should be remembered in situations like this is that entering the USA, and indeed most other countries, isn't a right that is rescinded it is a privilege that may or may not be granted.

An ESTA does not grant right of entry to the USA - it states very clearly when you apply:

I must try and find Stella Creasy's interview on the news. It was apparently rather embarrassing viewing, her having vehemently accused the US of discrimination. Being a social justice warrior occasionally backfires profoundly.

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So, IIUC, the upshot of all this is that an entire Muslim family has NOT been banned from going to the US. Certain members of the family were banned and the rest decided not to go. Of course I totally understand why they would no longer want to go but that's not quite the same as the whole family being banned is it.

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I used what was available at the time. as I DID state in the post. They just happened to be the first, sorry if it offends your sensibilities.

The fact that those 'smears' have now been put forward by many other sources would rather suggest that they weren't in fact... smears at all.

I DID ask that you didn't refuse facts because you didn't see eye to eye with whoever posted them.

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So Breitbart (and Hopkins-(very strange woman btw)) were correct? :PP::D

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There would be none of this mess if the US stated the reason why entry was refused. They have every right to refuse entry but they also have a reasonable duty to explain why. If they came across as fair and reasonable in explaining the reasons in the first place then this would have never made the news in the way it has ..

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The officials would not be given the info. That is the case in this country as well. It would lead to endless arguments about whether something was true or not at departure or wherever. Data Protection rules would stop officials who didn't make the decision to know the reasons why. Eg if the local council has made a decision, a receptionist at the council is not going to know why.

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The USA is allowed like any other country, to inforce the laws of THERE land.

I just wish the British Government would do the same.

Its like in some countries, there are strict laws concerning drugs and alcohol etc, and yet Brits go there and break them. And then ask the British Government to help them - WHY.

If you break the law in that country, then you pay the price.

there again this country is too soft. Any overseas person breaks the law in THIS country, will probably get prison - which we will pay for. Then released to do it again

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http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/incom...-visa-10650217

Nearly the same topic. Answers please on a postcard to Arthur

Same point, same reason. Visa cancelled and not allowed to fly

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Not so sure, If you arrive at our borders and you are refused entry by Customs, I would like to think that they say more than "No, you can't come in" and that's all ..

Also, given the current climate, it would be in the interests of the USA to be transparent and release a statement from Homeland Security when these events occur ..

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This incident though wasn't the US CBP making the decision but instead the DHS. CBP wouldn't have known the reason behind the decision all they would have got was an alert stating no to this person/group who they would have passed onto the airline as a no fly order on that person/group.

CBP = US Customs and Border Protection
DHS = Department of Homeland Security

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I'll repeat what I said: given the current climate, it would be in the interests of the USA to be transparent and release a statement from Homeland Security when these events occur ..

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The Daily Mail have now apologised and agreed to pay the Mahmood family damages: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/arti...y-apology.html

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Burn!

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Hopkins or the Mail :)

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put the matches back in your pocket :)

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If you rubbed Hopkins' legs together fast enough maybe you can set fire to a copy of The Mail!

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I dislike the way that the Mail apologises on Hopkins behalf..why can't she make her own apology?

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Aha! Apparently she did so via Twitter. However I think she could have done better than that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38367563

Re: Calls for Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from Disneyland
 

Presumably the Mail has to apologise since they printed her article and what she does personally is different. Her apology might well be seen by more people on Twitter than in the DM but she should do so there too.

Re: Calls for Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from Disneyland
 

Yeah it's the Mail's responsibility ultimately.

Re: Calls for Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from Disneyland
 

She's a Mail journalist, writing things for the Daily Mail to say. Whatever personal liability she might have, its usual for a newspaper to be contractually obliged to accept responsibility for what its staff and contributors write for its pages. The legal constraints and the large sums of money involved mean that restitution, including apologies, are very precisely agreed and conducted.

Having said all that, she did apologise, albeit minimally and timed to appear at 2am when she presumably hoped nobody would notice.