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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35070984

This beggars belief. Given the climate we've been living in for the last decade or so, I'd have thought this would already have been routine practice. God only knows what sort of nonsense (harmful or otherwise) these children are being exposed to.

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"Misogynistic, homophobic and anti-Semitic material".

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Donald Trump has schools in Brum?

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Yep. He set them up for the muslims population there :D

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How misogynistic, homophobic and anti-Semitic I wonder? Extremism anyone?

:erm:

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Think you're mistaking extremism for standard 'non-liberal' and 'non-reformed' Islam.

They're just being taught what's in the book that is the word of Allah, perfectly transcribed by Muhammad from the mouth of Gabriel.

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But he just won't let them in... ;)

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http://www.vox.com/identities/2015/1...le-quran-video ;)

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Did they quote old or new testament passages in that stunt?

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Quran & Islam could do with a whole New Testament that's for sure, I'm unclear how Christians got their New Testament, and if it's even possibles for Muslims to do the same.

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Lots of Christians quote Leviticus to oppose Marriage equality.

And as Jesus said

Quote:

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Christians got the New Testament because of Christ's existence - before that, there weren't any... ;)

The Old Testament is based on Hebrew Scriptures, from before Christ.

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Thankfully most Christians take their Bible far less seriously than many Muslims.

The heads of both the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches promote not taking the whole thing literally.

This is something of a contrast to Islam. Needs an enlightenment.

Either way that experiment is a massive straw man. It's comparing extremist Christians to mainstream Islam. Christianity doesn't consider itself the perfect religion and its holy book the undiluted, immaculately transcribed word of God. It's like using young Earth creationists as the stereotypical Christian, which they are not, and claiming all Christians are anti-science.

Christianity has benefited greatly from its extra 600 years, which is why we see many Nobel winners who are Christians and virtually none who are Muslim. The Islamic world has contributed very little of value to humanity in a while.

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If you lived in mid-West USA or Indonesia, you may have to re-evaluate that statement - Indonesian Muslims have a much more laissez-faire attitude than Middle-Eastern or Pakistan/Afghan Muslims, and Bible-belt Christians in the USA (and in parts of Africa) have a much more hard-line viewpoint than those from elsewhere.

Point I am trying to make is, that "one-size" doesn't fit all, and if we insist on removing gray areas, we are doing ISIL's job for them, by putting forward the viewpoint "if you're not with us completely and in agreement with everything we say, you must be against us".

That way lies further confrontation and escalation.

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.....and what do they quote from the bible to justify cutting off non christians heads?

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From the Vicar of Baghdad (Canon Andrew White):

link

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No, but they quote from the bible when they shoot staff and customers at Planned Parenthood, and when they bomb the buildings..

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I'm pretty sure that they aren't actually real christians ;)

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800 or so years ago a bunch of intolerant, radical *******s from that part of the world decided to annoy the greatest military leader in human history. They didn't come out of it very well.

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Go on then. Enlighten me. :dunce:

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:D in short some of the caliphates of the old Islamic world were particularly unsavoury, preaching hate and intolerance towards anyone within their spheres of influence (eg. Christian groups within Persia as was) who didn't tow their line. Familiar?

A certain Genghis Khan as we know him took particular exception to practices of religious intolerance so he and some of his descendants all but annihilated said perpetrators who were unfortunate enough to be in the path of the Mongol hordes.

Consequently much of the scientific knowledge and advancement within that particular cultre gained over the centuries came to an abrupt halt.

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Shame, I understood (back in ancient times) that the Muslims were advanced in scientific fields etc.

Being a johnny come lately religion (relatively speaking) are they maybe like the youngest child, trying to get noticed & acting up so they get some attention.

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They weren't Muslims in ancient times ( Before 700 AD). But yes the enlightened Arab world bequeathed us much of our numbering system and algebra

Then along came Islam and they shot back centuries.

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Shhhhh.......don't say that. You might upset them! :erm::angel::D

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In general, religious dogma does not fare well in enlightened societies.

The Persians, ie. Iranians, were well on the road to a modern, humanist society when the ayatollahs took over.

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I studied with quite a few Iranians (amongst numerous other nationalities) in E. London in the late 70's and 80's. They were as eager to have a pint in the student bar as the rest of us. Don't recall hijabs, niqabs or burkas in London then but maybe people then were just a bit backward.. :rolleyes:

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Our dental surgery is run by two Iranians and you could not meet nicer people.

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Same here

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They're probably Albanians who're more acquainted with a goat's gonads than teeth. :D ;)

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I'm working in a Jewish school in London at the moment, the things they have to put up with is outrageous

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Muslims have not had their Martin Luther.

Christianity underwent a reformation, and Western society underwent a renaissance.

Islam has had neither.

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Oh for the day when the culture, religion and race of someone is far less important then their behaviour as an individual. All religions have their extremists and judging a whole religion by the views and actions of those extremists does the religion and the judge of that religion a disservice. Education should be the way people move past the obstacles of the past and the fact some adults are masquerading ideological centres as schools is disgusting and should be eradicated as quickly as possible.

I'm too old to radically change my beliefs as are most adults past a certain age the hope amongst decent adults is that our children never have beliefs that are detrimental, I will never understand the type of adult that decides to limit and poison the mind of a child.

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I'll try and give you a condensed version as I had to study it when in training for the priesthood with the Redemptorist fathers.

The 4 gospels were written Mathew, Mark, Luke and John (European names given to them) Acts were written by Luke.

It is generally accepted that John was the only eyewitness of Christ's life due to the perspective he uses. Gospel witten AD 45 (or up to 55) - 70AD

Luke was a convert of Paul. Neither had met nor knew of Christ during his life but learned (Paul and later Luke) about him from the Disciples. Gospel written pre AD 62 -70

Mark it is claimed that Mark, the Evangelist, who had never heard Christ, was the interpreter of Peter, and that he carefully gave an account of everything he remembered from the preaching of Peter. Also accepted as the first Gospel written between AD 55 - 70.

That said we get to Mathew, now here we have a problem. There are those who think he was the first writer and was indeed the Apostle Mathew, therefore not only an eyewitness but a part of the life of Christ. Gospel written AD 50 -70

Who really knows if it was John, Mark or Mathew who was first? One glaring thing is that all are accepted to have been written before AD 70. Why?

Simple, not one of them mentions the destruction of the temple as prophesised by Christ. This is recorded to have happened in AD 70.

Add to the above the Epistles of Paul and the others and you have the New Testament in a nutshell.

It's still under debate though.

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While so many define themselves by their religion first and everything else, including the things that make them an individual, second what can you do? :(

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In general answer to several posts in this thread:

The Bible tells the story of God's plan to reach out to, and to bring back to himself, the human race. He has done this, down the ages, through a series of covenants (agreements), of which the New Testament (a.k.a. New covenant) and the Old Testament (old covenant) are the best known. In fact the Old Testament is not well named as there are several covenants in it - the Abrahamic Covenant (Abraham became God's man, the father of his people, and was circumcised as a sign of it) is one of them.

What people generally understand to be the "old covenant" is the Mosaic covenant, the one with the Ten Commandments, the rules for temple sacrifices and the civil law by which the nation of Israel was to live.

It is highly problematic to quote random edicts from this law and demand to know what
Christians think of it. The laws handed to Israel via Moses were products of their time, both in terms of human history and development, and in terms of Israel's understanding of and relationship to God. The Old Testament does have lots of useful material in it that Christians can learn from, but to the uninitiated it is far safer to stick with the New Testament. It's safe to say that aspects of Old Covenant life and morality that have persisted, are explicitly reaffirmed in the New Testament. (Which, incidentally, addresses the concept of "equal marriage" which someone mentioned earlier - in religious terms such a concept is not possible. It is perfectly possible to argue that couples should be treated equally under civil law, but the Bible's definition of marriage is male and female joined so that, in Gods eyes, they become one body. Male and male, or female and female, simply isn't marriage, and cannot be, under that definition. And there are warnings against homosexual activity in the New Testament; you don't need to rely on Leviticus to stand up in a pulpit on a Sunday morning and speak against it.)

Muslims consider the Quran to be a further development in God's covenant relationship with his people. If the Bible contains the Old Testament and the New Testament, then the Quran is, in effect, the Last Testament. For this reason, because it claimed to add to the teaching of the Bible rather than founding something new, the Roman Catholic Church for centuries considered Islam to be a cult, much as we consider the Mormons to be a cult (and as first century Jews considered Christians to be a cult) rather than a religion in its own right.