Is this the most dangerous man in Britain?
 

Spending Review: Osborne refuses to rule out police cuts

Police cuts: Terror response warning to home secretary

Forget the Clown Corbyn, this man has the power and with no credible oppostion, is imposing ideologically driven policies on this country. Yes, it is a given that he will seek to reduce the benefits for the poor and the disabled, yes it is a given he will not seek to curb the greed of the City, Big Business and the wealthy but did the people who voted for him really expect him to slash the services they hold dear: police, local council services, etc.

The people who voted for the Tories are starting to possibly regret giving Dave a majority .. when Dave had to work with the LibDems there was a small degree of control, now, in the immortal words of Corporal Frasier: 'We're doomed!"

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I'd say there's a motive and an end goal behind this police budget thing.

they want complete chaos. so they can step in and introduce more powers because of the future mayhem that is to hit the British streets.

remember the majority of laws that keep us safe in this country have to be upheld by the police. if there's no police, or the few we have have to prioritise crime. then you can be certain that the crime you're experiencing will be at the bottom of the queue.

Remember "Touch me and I'll call the police"
well he'll say in reply with a grin now "What police?"

that's where self policing will have to be introduced.

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l am not going to get political here but in order to keep this country safe in the long run we really should not be cutting the police services increasingly to the bone because to do so in my utter opinion would be absolute folly.

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There was no one else to vote for at the last election. Shame that labour have shafted us by electing a total knob as leader. Now we don't have an opposition to speak of either. :dozey:

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Next up a private police force funded by corporations.

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Is that the best you can do? Say it's Labour's fault..

Actually it's the fault of the totally apathetic who couldn't be arsed to go to the polls..

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We yes it is Labours fault, Milliband failed to persuade the electorate to vote for Labour. The electorate need a reason. Only the most soft minded will vote blindly for a party " just because"

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Oh gawd no. That's just part of the problem. The government is the main problem.

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Sadly with no reasonable opposition this government will continue it overzealous ideological policies relentlessly in these next 5 to 10 years and one has to fear for what the future holds for many people in this country even for people who voted Conservative at the last election.

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"Is this the most dangerous man in Britain?"

No, he isn't."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34915218

Your hyperbole was premature....

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Had there been no outcry on tax credits and the police cuts, these would have gone ahead so my premise still stands :)

You are forgetting he *did* try and push these through: he wanted to do it but got caught out with his hands in the till ...

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How can it be? You asked "is he", not "could he be"? The things you said that would make him the most dangerous person aren't happening, so your initial premise was flawed.

Strange, isn't it - people listen to what people have to say, and they change things, they still get pilloried.

They don't listen/change, they are cold-hearted villains.

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They're all evil Tories so what would you expect?... :rolleyes:

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No.
if he wanted to kill people and it was only the intervention of others that stopped him.
and he wanted to carry on killing other people and it's always down to the intervention of others that makes his dangerous ideas and intentions unachievable.
then he is dangerous.
and would likely be locked up because he would be classed as dangerous and a risk to society.

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He bottled it big time.I thought that he had the guts to scrap all these "bribes" to people,child tax,working tax credits.Credit means you pay it back these so called "credits" do not get paid back.You can earn up to £50,000 a year and still get portions of these credits.Austerity what austerity.

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With reference to the thread title, I would say John McDonnell is a hell of a lot more dangerous than George Osborne, if he genuinely draws inspiration from Mao's Little Red Book.

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They're doing Dave with Hitlers book next week.

kids eh?

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It's like McDonnell has some kind of inverse Midas touch. He could have torn Osborne in to little tiny pieces, but thanks to the world's most ill judged publicity stunt no one will care...

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There is a very good reason why these people haven't been allowed anywhere near the front bench at any point in their careers until now.

McDonnell has tried to run for leader twice but failed to get enough nominations the first time, and pulled out before officially failing to get enough nominations the second time.

There are plenty of good politicians in the Parliamentary Labour Party. Until now, they have exercised their political nous and declined to allow any of the loony left onto the ballot when the leadership falls vacant. Quite why they allowed themselves to be browbeaten into nominating Corbyn this time round is anybody's guess and will keep the pundits in beer for decades. But now Pandora's box is well and truly open, and all kinds of unpleasant things have come drifting out. A shadow chancellor quoting a bloodthirsty communist revolutionary in the opposition's official response to a statement by the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have seemed fanciful a few weeks ago, but now it's just another day at the office.

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The key question here is this: did he change because he wanted to (your premise I guess) or was he made to (mine)?

I think you are viewing this with too much charity. George wanted to make this changes, this was his policy. Please tell me he has seen the light on the road to Damascus (bad choice of venue I suppose but run with it) and no longer believes that his initial plans were wrong? He wanted to make these cuts and probably still does but was thwarted.

As we are coming up to Christmas, is George Scrooge who when visited by the Ghosts of Christmas, saw the error of his mean spirited ways and had a change of heart, said "God bless the poor (and Police)" and was a good man for ever more ... or ... is he still Scrooge? :)

Let's see what is next on his ideological shopping list ..

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Who'd have thought things could get worse for Labour and so much of it self imposed. They don't need their political opponents to make them appear unelectable, they're doing it all by themselves with gaffes, stunts, policy confusion, disharmony and above all an inept out of touch leadership which lacks any credibility at all. These people are making the likes of Miliband, Brown and Kinnock look good and that takes some doing.

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I think Osem forgets that George is on Dave's team.

but Osem did tell me that he's missing Ed. and that he wishes he would come back for a big reunion.

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I am not sure he cares ..

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They could do with a John Smith or Robin Cook at the helm in my book but sadly at the moment they are being led by dunderheads and simpletons.

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Selling of our national assets to said bloodthirsty communists would've seemed fanciful a few years back to

I would have voted for john smith, he'd have saved us from bliar if nothing else and that alone would've put him up there with the greatest pm's imo

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Does it matter why? He did, which if nothing else, shows he listens, which is more than anyone in Labour ever did. You should change your Avatar to 'keep left' it would be more apt.

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Don't kid yourself - the pound shop commies running China today may be deeply unpleasant but they're not in the same league as Mao and his ilk.

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If you have to ask why it matters then we'll leave it there ..

I thought I was on your block list? Nice that you are debating the points and not getting personal ;)

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The conservatives were elected by the people and they listened to the people. Are you saying Osbourne doing what the electorate wants is a bad thing? Would you of preferred him to ignore what people want?

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Yes because then he could call Osborne an out of touch Tory toff who couldn't care less about ordinary working people, blah, blah, blah. You just can't please some folks evidently... ;)

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Osbourne was voted in on a mandate of cutting public services and welfare. The people who voted for him were clear about this. This is what the "electorate" wanted .. or at least the minority that voted the Government into power.

When George tried to implement the policies Conservative voters mandated him to carry out, there was a realisation in Westminister that (belatedly) this was not the right thing to do hence the attempts to stop him. Attempts that proved succesfull.

Don't forget that cuts are still planned, together with welfare cuts phased in over a longer timeframe via Universal Credits. A lot of these, ironically, will hit the typical Tory voter:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tumn-statement

It it good that he "listened" because he went too far with his cuts. Pity he doesn't "listen" more. I am sure that the electorate who voted for the Tories didn't really take it all in at the time, they didn't think about the cuts promised in this parliament. They were just numbers .. only when the consequences were spelt out, did the reality hit home. Well, there is more reality coming to a Tory voter near you: higher council tax bills, less local council funded services, etc. etc.

George also saw this as a politically expedient opportunity to cement the Tories position as the party most likely to win the next election. Look at me he says: 'I was going to do a really bad thing, something I told you I was going to .. but hey, I am a nice guy really and I am been doing some soul searching and I have changed my mind". The U turn has no risk given where we are in the electoral cycle and given that there is no credible opposition to constrain what he does.

George will learn from this: even he could not push through policies which, when looked at in detail were so patentedly unfair. Even he could not cut Police budgets by upto 20% when we have just had the Paris incident. George will just be more cunning next time ;)

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Osem is stuck in the past (with his beloved Labour party). You just don't call people "Toffs" anymore ..

Interesting etymology

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You're just grumbling because you're stuck with Corby, come back again when you have a credible Leader for Labour, because lets face it, it wouldn't matter what CMD /Osbourne did, it would never come close to the chaos Corby would unleash. Good luck getting shot of him in the next 5 yrs :D, and while he's there Labour will be too busy internally squabbling to worry about the wider world.

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Brown, Miliband, Corbyn, how much worse can it get? :D

They can't even run a decent leadership election much less run a country. :rofl:

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From last year, by the Labour Party's Chair of General Election Strategy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5304928.html

From the Daily Mirror, September 2014

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...h-poor-4354741

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Is that what's known as an inconvenient truth? :D

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Hugh, what is your point? You agree with Osem and the Mirror on calling Tories Toffs?

If this is just a wind up, fair enough but really, what are you trying to say? Spell it out ..

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What is inconvenient here? You not replying directly to my posts but via Hugh's coat tails ;)

I like this game as I am on Osem's block list :)

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Corbyn is an idiot .. I am starting to think he is a Tory double agent ;) I am not stuck with him as I never voted for Labour .. I feel sorry for the majority of the Labour supporters who now have no real representation in policy terms.

Corbyn will never come close to the choas unleashed on this country by the Financial sector in 2007/2008 .. the same people that are allowed (and encouraged to) to play the same game of Russian Roulette with this country's future.

At last someone in this industry is talking sense: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/...gs-anti-banker

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Does Osem have these posts on speed dial?

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Ianch99 please explain why Osborne listening to the people who elected him is a negative?

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That's really strange because I've always thought exactly the same.

He just checks every 3 minutes.

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No offense, but the Labour party leaders are clearly coming across as crack pots. Are Labour party supporters now claiming that the Labour party is run by Conservative double agents?

Seriously, step back from the Labour party pull yourself together and think about what you're saying. Because right now everything about Labour appears to be crack pot including some supporters.

I know its not as it seems, but someone in the Labour party need to put a stop to all this, and soon!

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Look it's perfectly clear that everything's just tickety-boo at Labour HQ. There are no opposition tanks in Corbyn's Baghdad and he can just carry on undermining his ministers with ill judged, ad hoc statements and infantile 'policy' made up on the hoof, safe in the knowledge that everyone loves him...

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I think Corbyn has just found out the difference between being an MP and being a Front Bencher...

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He clearly hasn't learned much over the last 30 years has he... :D

Anyway there's really nothing to worry about and he's just taken decisive action to restore confidence amongst his colleagues:

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Remember he's only ever been a back bencher for those 30 years. He's never had any senior work in the party, the kind of work that requires persuading other people to see your point of view rather than simply mouthing off...

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There are others as dangerous for Labour as Jezzer:

Linky

How to hit the nail squarely on the thumb from the man who would be chancellor if he's allowed.

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Oh I'm well aware of that and have made the point before that the lack of scrutiny he's been subject to hitherto has led him to where he is now. Nonetheless, you'd have thought 30 odd years in parliament might have taught him just a few basic do's and don'ts... ;)

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Oi! My thread has been hijacked (like many others before it) and turned into a Labour Trash-a-thon :)

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Because he did not U-turn because he had a change of mind, that he realised the policies were unfair and dangerous. He U-turned because he was made to.

Plus:

Very significant spending cuts to come, think tank warns

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The thread title does not specify who is the most dangerous so we're at liberty to nominate whilst staying on topic. :D

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So you just read the thread title and not the text of the first post, fair enough :) Didn't realise it worked like here ...

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I read the anti Tory diatribe but posted within the rules.;)

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So you are balancing things with an anti-Labour diatribe. Nice ..

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Yeh.
U-turn Davy and Georgy they call em! :)

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If I wasn't clear enough, perhaps this summary will help.

Osem then commented on the above, intimating that if Osborne had not listened to what people wanted, you (ianch99) could then call Osborne an out of touch Tory toff - he himself did not call Tories toffs.

You then replied with Once again, Osem did not call Tories toffs, he intimated that you would.

I then provided evidence that the person in charge of the last Labour Election Campaign, and the main Labour supporting newspaper, had called Tories toffs, to rebuff your statement that no-one called people Toffs anymore.

Hope this helps...

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It's called balanced debating - allowing both sides to air their views... ;)

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Of course, if Labour weren't so unfit for purpose there'd be nothing to trash. As it is, their recent leaders have proved to be a political gift which just keeps on giving... :D

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Sums it up nicely for me... ;)

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He voted Labour. he just pretends he don't like them to distract you :)

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This is as accurate and factual as most of your posts.... ;)

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Thanks Hugh for clarifying. Some observations:

- intimating what people might be saying (also known as "putting words in people's mouths") instead of responding to what they actually said is poor
- as most of the people responding to these threads are politically right of centre, the concept of balance is (wait for it ...) debatable. Look at this thread: number of people on one side of the debate and the number on the other ..

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Well, tbf, you assumed Osem was calling Tories toffs, when that was not his intention, so there was confusion all around.

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Yeah I'm a well known Labour supporter... :rofl:

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He's doing a good job :)

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I'd rather have the cow Sturgeon run the country than the current idiot, and I hate her with a passion, like my granddad would.

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Well you have voted for them iirc....

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I started this thread to discuss the threat I feel a certain Mr Osbourne poses to this county's future. I did not want or intend to discuss the Labour party. This has been done ad-nauseum over and over again. However, it seems that most threads in this part of the Forum sooner rather than later end up as yet another rant at Labour. Let me make this clear: I am not a Labour supporter nor did I vote for them.

I had hoped that CF was a place to discuss a wide range of views and opinions with people debating rather than just taking the opportunity to endlessly repeat personal fixations with various people and institutions.

Maybe I was wrong ..

Recently someone posted a comment that this constant deluge of the same viewpoint over and over again was a reason to leave CF. I think I know what they mean ..

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But what can you expect as we are talking about politics here ianch and generally some people get very hot under the collar when one is talking about politics as you can go into a pub and social club or other places and that's how it is in life.

Still that's no reason for anyone to throw insults at other forum members and personally l would certainly not do that but rest assured l will give as good as l get and remain civil about things in the process and there is no excuse for others but to do the same in my book.

Remember people do have different views and opinions about things and that has always been the way since the year dot.

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It's called debating the other persons POV, it's a healthy thing, you wouldn't want a forum full of yes men would you.

And regardless of who you vote for, we have effectively a two party system here in the UK, if you bitch about someone in one of the parties, plus mention terms like 'tory' 'toffs' etc you do rather put yourself in the firing line as a Labourite or a leftie.
Like Osbourne or not, currently his party is the only credible one in British politics at the moment, regardless of whether you believe him to be Satan incarnate or if you believe the minority of people who voted the Conservatives in were delusional.
He & the Conservatives are in.
Deal with it.
Because until the *other* party sort their act out, we'll be stuck with them for a very long time and it won't matter how 'dangerous' you think any of them are, there are not any other alternatives around at this time.
Arguably you'd be better off campaigning for the <insert political party of your choice> to become a bit 'dangerous' instead, then maybe there will be some proper opposition (which would actually be a good thing)

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I think he means these type of topics usually end up like the religious threads and all others like it. Because debating is one thing, but when it's just the constant sniping, stirring and continuous monotonous posts from the usual suspects it doesn't entice other members to actually debate anything, it just isn't worth it.

The forum suffers because of it.

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Well emotive subjects get emotive responses, if people don't like the responses, maybe don't ask the question to begin with? or put their big boy pants on and debate.

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That is the reason i hardly post on here now :tu:

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Remember there is always the ignore button if certain posters get on your nerves as its important we don't try to stereotype everybody on this forum.

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But as has been pointed out many many times it does not work, you still see all the posts from those you ignore if another poster quotes those you have on ignore. That one obvious fault makes the ignore feature completely useless.

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That's pretty much why I don't bother with this forum too much any more - some of the posters are so boringly monotonous but will be the first to complain when the egotistical megalomaniacs we have in power do something that impacts on them.

I did think about leaving all together but do still talk to some by Pm and would miss that.

One other thing to bear in mind is the forum does have a blue colour scheme!

BTW I do think you're talking sense.

Cheers

Grim

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I think this does highlight a point: I have never said this. Others has intimated that I have so this is what you what want to hear.

Also, why the simplistic assumption that if I criticise the Conservatives I support Labour?

You say "Deal with it" Do you mean don't question or debate their policies?

A lot of what is posted here is not 'debating" as most people would understand it.

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Thanks Grim. I am wondering whether my time is well spent here. It is the endless repetition of the same thing that does my head in. I am suprised the mods do not contribute more, even in a devil's advocate role, to try and make this part of the forum a more welcoming place

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Thank you, you have made my point for me ..

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Only you can decide if your time here is well spent or not, you do need to consider though, that it's a forum, by definition this means a place to discuss things.
Not everything is black or white, especially in politics, you're coming across as 'wah you disagree with me, or are saying something different to what I wanted to hear, I wonder if I should leave'

Put your big boy pants on and accept that on a forum people will have differing viewpoints that can't just be dismissed as 'a deluge of the same viewpoint' as the reality is, your very own postings are an equal deluge of your own particular viewpoint.

In short, if you can't take the heat (so to speak) get out of the kitchen (and don't start threads that don't go the way you want them to)

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I think that's the point - if you consider discuss means just post the same old dig at Labour over and over again discussion then I feel pretty sorry for you.

Some people take every thread there given half a chance.....

I bought a silver car the other day....
...... good job Labour aren't in power or all you'd be able to buy are red cars.....

My computer won't turn on......
....... maybe it was once owned by Brown etc - they broken everything else they've touched.......

Get where I'm coming from???

Cheers

Grim

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I think it's a shame that a small number of posters who have very fixed views (both pro and anti Labour and Conservative) put people off, but I find there are a reasonable amount of posters who want to discuss things, and discuss what is right rather than who is right - that's one of the reasons I still hang around.

Returning to your point about the thread being taken off-track, I think the challenge is in the context - it's difficult discussing a situation/person without bringing in the journey about how that situation/person got to where they are, with the pros and cons / opposition and supporters, and peoples' differing views on these.

Talking about Osborne without taking into account how the economy got where it is, and the circumstances, would be difficult, imho.

But, as you say, there are some strong feelings on both sides, and emotions can often overtake rational discussion.

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You just don't get it do you? Patronising people is not debate. Hang on though, I am sure a while ago you put me on your block list. Please, please put me back on it ..

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Hugh, I take you point about topics deviating off course and I agree with you but the issue I raised here is that at the smallest opportunity, threads get taken in the same familiar place where you just get the endless posts trashing Labour, Europe, etc. ad-nauseum. It is if some people have a fixation about certain issues and are not content to make their point, they want to ram it down peoples' throats at each and every opportunity.

Peanut summed it up well:

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I take the OP wanted to brand Osborne the most dangerous man in Britain then only allow replies that agree with him?

The thread title is a question, you might not get the answers you want. Next either don't ask a question or accept people will disagree some stop frigging moaning!

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I was scratching my head a bit, I've seen it in a few threads now where various people seem to only want yes men, then have a pout and even threaten to leave the forums because people post differing views than them.

I get sick of hearing that everything ever done is 'Thatchers fault' but hey if that's what people believe, that's their right to say it, I'm certainly not going to leave the forum because of it.

No forum suffers because of differing opinions, in fact the forum would suffer if we all agreed on everything.

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You take it wrong. Try reading the thread again.

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No one has "threatened to leave the forums because people post differing views than them". What a load of rubbish ..

You are right in one respect: there are many, many posts where people just want to trash Labour, the EU, etc. and just want yes men to reply and agree with them. They then get upset and annoyed when someone challenges them and presents a different opinion.

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Yes right....
Keep looking for those big boy pants, you'll find them eventually (hope they fit)

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Nice try, pasting comments out of context without the link back to the original post. Let' see what was actually said:


If all you can do is make things up and come up (yet again) with the same childish insult, I'd stop there.

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You know, context or not, those words were typed, which means 'not made up' and you're right, big boy pants is getting old, big girls blouse feels more apt.

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The title of this thread is a QUESTION.

This is a healthy forum and we are seeing healthy replies for all sides. its heated, its harmless, it's healthy.

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I said at the time that while I don't support the Tories, I don't blame David Cameron. He was only doing what most politicians would, trying to win an election. I blame the other politicians (and in particular Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg) all of whom managed to fail to provide a credible opposition to the Tories.

I also think that to reduce the debt, the Tories need to take another approach. Cutting things clearly isn't working as we do not seem to be recovering from the recession as fast as other countries have. Perhaps ensuring some of the mega rich actually pay their taxes would help (note I did not say corporations because the government do appear to be trying to solve that, albeit slowly).

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Whilst I think there are serious flaws in some of what's being done in the name of 'austerity', which other countries have recovered faster than the UK? I don't see many signs of much recovery or growth in Europe.
Bearing in mind the massively disproportionately effect the failure of our banking system had on the UK's problems after 2008, we were in a far more serious position than many of our competitors and even now things in that huge sector are far from good.

As regards where we are politically, surely Blair's success was in part* due to the abject failure of the Tories to provide any credible opposition for a good number of years. We're in a similar situation now I reckon and the longer Labour carry on with this loony nonsense the longer it'll before they regain any semblance of credibility as an opposition.

* another part being the highly popular policy of chucking money around like there was no tomorrow.

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Don't move to Suffolk:

Suffolk Police to lose 111 posts in cuts drive

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26 real police, sounds less scary than 111

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I'd ask for a reduction in my council tax so I can buy a gun to protect myself with.

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Good luck with that...

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I know. the council's vocabulary consists of the word 'cuts'
everything is answered with the word cuts.
they get away with a lot by using the magic word 'cuts'

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They use the word efficiency down here.

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You can bet that the only thing that is never cut is the pay of the top apparatchiks of councils of what ever political persuasion. Their snouts are firmly in the trough. :(

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Yes l read our local paper online a little while back and its quite eye watering when l read what some of their expenses were over a year.

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Nope, George "Cuts" Osbourne has a better ring to it :)

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I thought the police were protected now? or is this old stuff they have to catch up on?

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Osbourne is of course dangerous and needs putting down like a few others in government and of course the cuts are badly affecting policing and the help we get from police.

The few police that are left are too busy sorting out he said, she said arguments on facebook to even consider dealing with burglaries or other crimes. Knock off Osbourne and tell people to get off the internet if they don't like what someone else say's. Win/Win situation!

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I agree Den ,

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Whilst I don't think we should be cutting front-line police officer numbers, it's relevant to point out that these numbers are now the same as they were in 2001 - I don't remember people thinking they were "cut to the bone" then.

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Well l think they listened to the discontent that was building up around the country over potential police cuts and wisely chose not to act on what they were potentially planning and l give due praise for that.

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What's the difference in the UK's population between 2001 and now.