Hillary Clinton has lost the plot
 

:erm:

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I can see what she means. Which is that Muslims are not all Islamists..

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Breitbart - never knowingly even-handed.

It makes the Mail look all soft and cuddly....

btw, I agree with her - I don't think all Catholics are all children-molesters because of the actions of a number of priests, and I don't think all US citizens are gun-crazy mass-killers just because there have been 325 mass shootings in the USA this year.

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How many Muslims have publicly gone against IS, Boko Haram, and the MANY other groups around the world, compared to the number that have actually joined them? And for those that do speak out, why did they wait until there is an actual attack?

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Spot on Sir.:tu:

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I remember sitting in a taxi here in Swansea with a muslim driver who had just heard about the first Paris shootings and he was in was in Tears and so ashamed that people were using his religion to conduct terrorism.

I agree, not all Muslims are Terrorists.

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Agree 100% ....

Although it must also be noted that all modern day Terrorists do seam to be Muslim ..

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10146534.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ight-isis-iraq

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/b...n/9163.article

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mu...-terrorism.htm

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:clap:

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You all seem to be ignoring the fact that she didn't say that "Muslims are not all Islamists", she said that "Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism"......which is total horsepoo. Now, if she had said that most muslims have nothing to do with terrorism then I would have agreed with her but she didn't say that.

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Saying muslims have nothing to do with terrorism is just as inaccurate as saying all muslims are terrorists IMHO. I think our leaders, media etc. largely go out of their way to make the point that it's a minority (as always) who cause the problems. Given that the terrorists causing us most grief at the moment are doing so with the aim of setting up a caliphate, I'm not sure what else they can do really...

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Unfortunately at the moment most terrorists are Muslims.:(

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How do we know that the 'quiet' Muslims are keeping out of it whilst the magic 'minority' do the work?
how do we know that it's all about keeping it looking like a minority that will make it look like it's not the majority?

we're never going to see a majority.
because that will either blow their cover or is just too early.

to say that Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism is a complete lie. is ignorant. and quite frankly is disrespectful to all those killed my Muslim terrorists.

Panic over.
turns out she's just after the Muslim vote.
I hate when people do that.

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tbf, you hate it when people do anything.

'hate' could be your middle name...

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They don't wait, where do you think most of the intelligence comes from? Other Muslims making the authorities aware of suspect Muslims

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Also remember that Muslims aren't 'the same'. There is a rift been Sunni/Shia sects and even amongst the Sunni those that don't follow the specific creed that ISIS and the other extremists follow are considered just the same as the rest of us as far as the extremists are concerned.

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I hate it when you're in a mood like this.

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Win/win...

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I would say it is "most terrorists are claiming to be Muslims". Pretty certain the Muslim faith does not cover beheading and mass killings in its teachings. Anyone can claim to be killing in the name of there religion of choice.

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Do you think the ones in Spain are not Muslim?

1 or 2 may be?

I wonder if we refuse to accept they're Muslim by shouting You're not really Muslim. you're just pretending to be Muslim. because Muslims are "Peaceful and don't kill"

I wonder if that will suddenly break the bad spell?

Christians don't kill either.
a murderer claiming to be Christian is a liar!
he's not Christian at all.
he's.... what religion can we put him in? Muslim is no good because they don't kill either?

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I'm afraid it does.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


and before anyone draws a comparison to the bible, afaik, all of it's violent stuff is in the old testament but Jesus taught peace. Muhammad wasn't quite as peaceful in his teachings. Therein lies the problem....
:shrug:

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Totally agree with this .. Islam never had a "correction" or reformation since the Koran and Hadiths were written. Plus, a lot of emphasis is made on the Koran being the word of Allah and so not able to be questioned or contradicted. Makes things difficult for more enlightened Muslims to say "No, ignore that verse and this verse as they were only parables or were historically contextual"

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Its up to god to judge terrorists, its up to us to stop them.

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Corrected that for you :D

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There is no God so we'll have to judge them ourselves. when we blow them all up.

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Generalisation the tactic of the intellectually challenged getting so sick of entire groups of people getting tarred with one brush be it on welfare or religion, just demonstrates the continuing dumbing down of people in the west and goes someway to explaining how we end up with the representatives we do.

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Here is a little bit of balance for you then: link
Oh, hang on. That link is to a "rabidly right wing" website, so it obviously can't be trusted! :rolleyes:

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Even a broken clock is right twice a day... ;)

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Unless the person reading the clock doesn't like the time it's showing :dozey:

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Beitbart was designed to the a right-wing counter to the left-wing blogs. It's meant to be more partisan and campaigning news site than a conventional news source. It's sort like a right-wing version of the The Huffington Post or Democracy Now. It's never pretended to be otherwise.

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I just find it irritating that if someone here posts a link to a story that happens to be on a right leaning site then it often gets disparaged simply because of that. The content is ignored because of where it's published.
If the same happens from a left leaning point of view the content is evaluated on it's merits, not the source site.

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No, the likes of the Guardian isn't mocked on here frequently, it must be my imagination.

Honestly lose the persecution complex, it does nothing for you.

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People don't have time to independently verify each story so the credibility of the source is important. This isn't just right-wing blogs but left-wing ones too. Anything set up to address the creators' perceived 'bias' of the mainstream news where 'bias' usually means 'challenges my political outlook'. You need only need to look at the proliferation of 'alternative media' in Scotland during the referendum to see how partisan these new alternative sources of news often are.

At least with the more established outlets, including The Guardian and The Mail, there is a basic adherence to some journalistic practice even if they are still biased. You can usually be sure that the facts of a story in The Mail are basically correct even if you feel their spin is disingenuous.

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:rolleyes:

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I agree but the fact remains that people on the right tend to judge left leaning reporting on the content whilst those on the left are more likely to judge based on the source. Thats all....

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Well I can't speak for the right but I dismiss many left-wing blogs too because they're frankly nuts. If a source consistently gets thing wrong then why bother trusting it? If it's opinion then fine but if it's 'Cameron ADMITS he HATES disabled people - Exclusive' type stuff then what's the point?

Concidentally I read a good article about this the other day, it's mostly about the left-wing ones but I think it applies to others too:

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Did your quote come from a reliable left wing source or an unreliable right wing source though? :)

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Little Atoms is more of an opinion/story site than one that does news but I think it is probably quite left-wing considering their guests. Although as I said I don't really have a problem with bias but the recent trend of these alternative news sites that seem to be nothing more than campaigning sites for their cause.

I.E The Spectator is biased but are generally pretty honest and fair and will challenge their readers from time to time. They don't stick to the partisan line no matter what.