Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-...-style-attack/

Read this article, and laugh. Boris Johnson, He is supposed to be the Mayor of London and in charge of London Policing, made an amazing blooper.

He states that there are approx 120.000 police officers in London - there is LESS than 50.000 and any planned cuts at the end of this month, will make matters worse.

With the tragic events in Paris - These plans have to be shelved. London has been warned that they could be hit.

Therefore you need extra police on out streets. And its up to Boris, and Theresa May to put them there

London, and the rest of the UK. Need protection

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

From your link In Britain, not 'in London'.

Your hatred of all things Conservative now has you 'mid-reading' things, Arthur...

It would appear the 'blooper' is yours...

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

Hugh,In London - we have less than 50.000 and they things are going from the end of this month. We may have less.

And l know what he said.

Forces over the UK, will have much less. The whole point is that, each time the cuts come up, Boris has no idea of how police we do have.

He was questioned by Joanne McCarthy in City Hall re the cuts, and he couldn't answer it, as he said he didn't know.

Go on You Tube, its on there.

He just doesn't have a clue - and the plans are for him to run for PM, god help us.

As The Sun said once before an election. Can the last the last person out, put the light out

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

He never has the answer for any questions but relies on pithy remarks and Latin quotes to bluff his way through and to be fair to him it has worked, the public in the main have fallen for his eccentric buffoon act. I just hope they're not as stupid as he thinks we are when it comes to voting day and don't just vote for that funny man of the telly and look for substance instead.

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

Another blooper from our resident Tory hater!

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

A) You may think you know what he said, but what you linked to, where you read it, disagrees with you...

B) And they said that about Neil Kinnock...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...6&d=1447702316

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

That Sun article is far and above more accurate than any post Arthur has ever made on this forum.

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

There are Labour haters as well you know.;):D

Re: Proves Boris doesn't know what he is talking about
 

I'm surprised Arthur can still walk after shooting himself in the foot so often... :D

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

No he didn't
The actual facts!

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

The best thing to do with Boris is just imagine he's drunk.
George is high on cocaine.
and Dave is looking forward to more pudding.

and it all doesn't seem as bad.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

I always shoot myself in the foot.

But, my main beef is that. I am a proud Londoner,and l want to walk the streets of London knowing that if there are emergency services there is case they are needed.
Several weeks ago, a man died in a flat. Residents blamed the fact that there nearest Fire station was closed due to cuts brought on by a Tory government.

It took engines from FIVE stations scattered around London to get to the fire.

Do l hate the Tories, no l don't. I just want a government that is going to look after us. NOT cut everything to save them money, What happened last week by David Cameron, he didn't like the idea that HIS local services etc were being cut in his own area, that HE is an MP for, so he complained about it.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

So had his local station been open it would still have needed engines from four of those other stations and the outcome may have been the same?

They are cutting funding in some areas yes, but its too try and prevent cuts in other areas.

Also surely its his local council that determines the budgets and there for cuts due to the money they get from council tax and other locally funded things. Not soley the Governments fault.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

That's the first time I can recall you saying anything accurate.

Really? I'm assuming you didn't mean this then? :rolleyes:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35778703-post79.html


and this:

and this:

Arthur, you are a Grade A, Class 1 idiot.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Does that mean you have to give him your seat now then?

he can't see me :)

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Osem. I agree totally.
But l was brought up with this verse ' Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me'

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Pity you didn't learn this one... ;)

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Bullies are losers Arthur :)

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

:rofl:

Are you sure? I mean you've just denied hating the Tories... :rolleyes:

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Arthur,

Boris was being optimistic. I would go beyond not being able to rule it out and say it's almost inevitable.

What can our police do about it, though? French police are armed, ours generally are not. The average bobby on the beat will get shot and that'll be that.

As far as Osem goes just follow the advice next to his name to ignore trolls and idiots. As a general rule those who try the hardest to claim the moral high-ground are usually the lowest of character.

Though you must try harder. When confronted by reasoned argument he can't pick holes in he'll reach for the ignore button, and that should be your goal :)

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Shouldn't you be ignoring him then rather than trolling him :shrug:

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

A police officer with a holstered sidearm is no match for a suicidal jihadi with an AK47. The arming or otherwise of coppers is a red herring in this case. The real issue is how many trained ARUs we have and how quickly they can be deployed.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Most Police issue weapons aren't an equal match for military style hardware but with easier access to firearms then they can attempt some form of containment instead of the current policy of running away.

Not enough and not quickly enough. I'm sure the most recent numbers for England and Wales showed a drop of 14% or so since 2012 going down to 5000 ish. I'd reckon that's overly weighted to London which when you take leave/illness/training into account doesn't leave a lot to cover the rest of the country.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Presumably special forces are the ones who'd also be drafted in to deal with major incidents such as Paris but how readily are they available I wonder? If maniacs are roaming the streets killing at random then even a few minutes delay in a decisive response is going to result in fatalities. The prospect of any such attack and the stark reality of what we face really do make a mockery of Corbyn's stance. Civilian fatalities are inevitable so the best we can hope to do is end any killing spree as soon as possible and accept that doing that may involve innocent people being caught up in the crossfire.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

I can see that being problematic - there might just be an argument for the deterrent effect of an armed constabulary, if you are trying to deter armed and lawless behaviour on city streets (not an argument I would agree with, incidentally), but in those cases you're arming the polis against idiots with badly maintained pistols and sawn-off shot guns, most of whom don't know how to shoot straight. Not saying it isn't dangerous for the police officer in the firing line, but it is relatively less risky than confronting a well tooled up and ideologically motivated nutter with a death wish. What we need is readily deployable SWAT teams whose armour and other equipment is up to the task.

Asking a policeman with a Glock, a stab vest and a Prussian army helmet to take on a jihadi with an AK is nuts - you might as well give him the number for Lawyers4You to keep with his warrant card.

They should send a few down south under the mutual aid arrangements. I'm sure Inverness can spare them. ;)

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Right now you are asking cops armed with a hollow metal tube, some hot sauce in a can and a stab vest to keep tabs on armed nutters while the nearest ARV gets tooled up and heads to the area.

Any jihadi wandering over is given free reign to wander about, reload, update his Twitter and generally cause mayhem till then.

Given we can train cops in NI up to basic firearms standards to use handguns, carbines and tasers in two weeks and expect them to deal with an enemy using jihadi style weapons I don't think the current rUK system is safe or sustainable.

Then what would the Daily Record complain about? :)

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

The UK appears to have focused its efforts on prevention rather than cure: arrest the would-be murderers before they can act.

Good work for lawyers after that, but at least the deaths are reduced or nil. But then you will have radicals imprisoned with non-radicals, not a good way to move forward to peace in the future.

As for any armed response to an attack, it'll probably be too little, too late, for many targeted, especially as they will probably be soft targets in large crowds. And Paris has just shown us that the attackers may well be waiting with suicide in mind, also with soft targets around them.

And now we have the leader of the Labour party saying he would not support a shoot-to-kill policy during a live terrorist attack.

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:tu:

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After Corbyn's errors of judgement, I would be suprised if the moderates start a coup sooner rather than later:

Jeremy Corbyn backlash over views on shoot-to-kill

that or form a new Labour party ..

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Without giving away our freedoms to an extent we don't want you can't police everything against terror groups as they can attack anywhere and at any time. Their whole ethos is to create terror (fear). We can counter that by, with sensible precautions, not giving in to fear.

We don't simply give up our freedoms and become what they want which would be the cowering masses controlled by the few. Arming police, enforced ID cards. gaol with out trial and so on and they scored a victory.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

No matter how well armed our robocops are they will always be reacting to situations after the event.I'm afraid the pondlife are controlling the narrative.:mad:

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Without the risk of sounding macabre, lets face it here, no Jihadi is going to start in his AK rampage in front of the police.

The idea of him pulling his AK out and instantly being spotted and deftly shot by armed police is absurd. There will be loss of life I'm afraid.

The solution is simple, more armed officers in London, I think that's agreeable as a country, armed with a glock and an MP5 at all times, not secured away in their vehicle. These need to be normal beat officers trained to SCO19 standards and continue their normal duties like they have for their serving duration.

That could aid prevention but it's far from solid, GCHQ has a far bigger role to play here than any firearm can prevent.

Aside from that, our response is elite, that's enough said about that, anyone that doubts the response and ability of SCO19 needn't worry, they're one of the greatest elite police firearms units on the planet.

The true aim is keeping the loss of life down to absolute minimum. It's sad that it likely couldn't entirely be prevented in that situation but it's been made clear GCHQ has a hand in complete prevention.

Re: Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack
 

Permanently armed with a sidearm yes, more powerful weapons no. By all means have them more readily accessible than currently with a level of training to use them to a reasonable degree but it's not possible to undertake a lot of day to day Policing tasks with a carbine in your hands.

Plus training a large number of officers to full firearms standards isn't a realistic scenario in terms of training time and cost. An extra two weeks basic training initially plus a few days each year is possible, 9+ weeks plus refresher courses every few months isn't.

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Agreed, I never really considered this when typing it out but it's pretty much a solid and correct point. Readily accessible is also agreeable too, in which case I think we're heading for more ARV type units that aren't ARV units so to speak, basically beat officers armed with a handgun but have access to what's usually an MP5 in their vehicle should it be required. Stuff like G36C's don't belong in standard policing. An MP5 is indeed a push but it's secured in the vehicle rather than wound round an officers back.

I think that's more feasible anyway, you can't be training police to just pull out semi automatic rifles, the MP5 is a more adept approach, an excellent 9mm Sub machine gun.

Naturally a call for a more elite backup approach like SCO19 is still the priority should one of these officers encounter something a miss, but at least being armed and available to hold his own can deter the situation in any way possible.

Nonetheless though, just having a sidearm available is a far better prospect of facing a potential attacker with absolutely nothing but a radio at your disposal.