Paris Terror Attack(s)
 

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Anything to do with this early today?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...el-bomb-threat

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:(

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Now reporting 18 dead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203

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Up to 4 separate incidents...

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Here we go.

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How long before it happens here? :erm:

If it is terrorists I think people need to accept that they're committed to wiping us out whatever we do so doing nothing isn't an option. We have to take them on and take them out.

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Hearing that 26 dead and hostages taken... Gunmen on the loose. LBC

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Minutes, hours, days.

If it is terrorists then they're peed off because the Americans killed their fairy leader.

and yeh we should just kill them all and ask questions later.

I guess Xmas is off then?

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The death count is going to be very high judging by some reports.

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Looks like this will be one of the biggest attacks on Western European soil for a while :(

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So easy too for the maniacs.

RIP to all the innocent victims.

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35 dead and 100 held hostage! :(

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Take then on and take them out, we'd be more likely to take them in and sort them out with housing etc until they decide to try and take as many people as possible to paradise with them.

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And so it begins :(

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We need to get real. There's no dealing with people like this. They need to be exterminated and no that doesn't make us as bad as they are. It makes us responsible people who will defend ourselves and our way of life.

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France declares state of emergency, all borders are closed.

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Unfortunately the lily-livered Cameron with his "New Labour reborn" agenda is decimating the police and armed forces and thus our ability to defend ourselves as a nation!

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And how do we do that - shoot anyone who looks suspicious/different?

This is exactly the reaction these assholes are going for - creating an atmosphere of hate and distrust.

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I did double take when I saw that post too but I suspect Osem wrote that with the case of 'Jihadi John' in mind and is referring to those kinds of incidents?

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Police have stormed the concert hall.

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Apparently open borders are a good idea

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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...VR1_bigger.jpg Tim Ramadan ‏@tim_ramadan

CNN is reporting one attacker has been captured and claims to be recruited by #ISIS along with 3 others coming from #Syria. #ParisAttacks

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The news coming out of Paris is truly beyond comprehension. Especially from the concert hall. :(

What kind of person thinks their God will be pleased by them slaughtering humans who don't fit their interpretation of religion? :confused:

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Potential terrorists were bound to sneak through with civilian Syrians if it's confirmed it involved Syrians that were recruited.

It's time to put petty squabbles aside and sit down with the Russians and learn to work together to wipe out a more disgusting enemy. To allow this to continue over who gets to lead Syria is ridiculous.

This is horrifying.

In cases like this there shouldn't be a trial, these people should be executed on the spot in SAS fashion. They shouldn't get to retain their life for years to come in prison or awaiting a death sentence, life is precious and they shouldn't get to experience any more of it.

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Last state of emergency in France was WW2.

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Well said! Over the centuries many atrocities have been committed in the name of God! England did it in the Crusades when we slaughtered the "infidels", and so it goes on.

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It's nothing new though, every single war has some religious implications. Simply put, you'll never achieve world peace in the same world where religion exists.

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This was posted a while ago :(

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Concert Hall siege over or in full swing, awaiting the news of the outcome.

EDIT: The person in Bataclan above made it out!

This is for syria screamed by Terrorist, reported by witnesses

EDIT 2: RAID (swat) started operating on the Bataclan hostage situation, apparently 4 terrorists taken down so far, no more details. Operation is either still on or already finished.

Death toll set to rise to 68+

Over 100 dead in Bataclan concert hall. oh my god.

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100 people killed at the theater!

Just hearing that the refugee jungle in France has been set on fire.

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This is an utter tragedy.

There is never, ever any justification for this.

The backlash to this in France and indeed Europe is going to be immense and, sadly, not surprising given the incredible indifference and disorganisation across our continent.

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It's true now untrue

Source:

http://twitter.com/MartaClinco/statu...161728/photo/1

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Not true now...

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The Calais source is from the 2nd November. Found relating to a separate incident

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...el-bomb-threat

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Yeah MediaBoy in post 2 mentioned that it could be linked.

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There are reports on social media that Parisien taxi drivers have turn off their meters and taking people home for fee.

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It's the social media messages and pasted text messages of those that were trapped in the hall that are getting me.

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Well sky news said it was an old video/picture

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Terrible night for Paris, People going out for a concert and to watch a football match and sit in a restaurant for a meal and be killed. Well over 140 so far, What is this world coming too, Who will be next, My heart goes out to all these poor families who are wondering if their loved ones are dead or alive, Something has to be done but what !,,,,,

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They are saying that the terrorists entered the concert hall and opened fire and reloaded, then opened fire on people, as well as throwing explosives

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX1PU1ume_A 1st November. I did a lookup for the image after I posted.

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Based on the massive loss of life and the information above in which it's doubtless that the police had along with a lot more, what were they meant to do? Wait until they'd finished executing the entire building and then deal with it.

It's clear many were dead before the police assault. At that point in time that was there only option. The hostages weren't there to be used for Negotiation, they were there to be executed. When you're under massive pressure and have what's thought to be 3 terrorists just shooting at will then you have a choice to make, you wait it out or you try to recover the lives that are left in there. They did exactly what they had to, there are survivors, less so than the people dead and it's tragic but it's better than a blow of knowing the Police stood by helpless.

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The refugee camp fire is back on now.

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Which is what worried me, the original has been an attempt to incite a revenge attack, if true then it's worked..

Untrue, appears that there is indeed a fire but it's actually just a common occurrence after another clash between Migrants and Police.

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Simply put, that's factually incorrect

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l could not believe it when l turned on the news this morning.:shocked:

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120 now confirmed dead. Getting slightly worried at getting no answer from the friends I have who live in Paris although I'm putting that down to it being fairly early on a Saturday morning right now.

I rarely agree with TheDaddy but that's untrue and very much beneath you :td:

People are already commenting on the security for Euro 2016 there, I reckon the irony being it's unlikely to be much more of a target for them than it is now, the **** made their statement last night.

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They were saying on Sky News just now that some are suggesting it was a revenge attack for the death of Jihadi John - 8 orchestrated attacks by at least 7 suicide bombers...that seems too organised for something that would have needed to be put together in less than 24 hours. Maybe it was planned to happen very soon but brought forward after JJ was killed? More likely that than a straightforward revenge attack.

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As i pointed out in another post, ISIS are not stupid and will be using the movement of Migrants across Europe to allow their fighters to enter EU country's. They will be able to carry out these type of attacks in any major EU city's and holiday resorts and i feel this is but the start of them bringing there religious war to the European main land. I agree with Russ that this was planned to happen but the killing of Jihadi John just moved it forward.

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Probably just planned for yesterday? It seems the football match formed part of it.

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Newt gingrich wades into the atrocity

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/11...paris-attacks/

Oxygen thief

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And the fact the president was going to be there, even though they knew they wouldn't get him getting as close as they did will cause a lot of headaches

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This is never going to stop.Too many of these **** are already already bedded in all over europe especially with the weak west's "open doors"policy.See where being "better behaved than our enemies"has got us.No doubt all the usual"lessons learned etc"will come from european"leaders"(leading europe to hell more like).Time to nuke raqqa the isis stronghold in iraq instead of a few drone attacks.Eye for an eye.

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They know how to play us.
racism, offended, sympathy, stupidity, and all the rest to get what they want and where they want to be.

then bang!
they kill us because we're ever so nice.
nice is killing us. and nice will keep killing us.

open the door come on in and have a nice cup of tea. or kill us for being so stupidly nice.

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If only 1% of those we have allowed to walk straight in to Europe are religious nutters who just want to kill us in the name of their god, then we need to be very very worried. What happened last night could happen in any EU country that has seen a mass influx of migrants. Anyone who thinks that ISIS has not used this migrant influx to move fighters into Europe needs to wake up and smell the coffee. One of the first rules of terrorism is to get your teams into the local of any target you intend to attack. This will certainly not be the last attack within the EU.

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Now is the time we need to be Europeans ..and I don't mean a federated organisation before anyone starts shouting.Just to recognise that we have a lot in common that we need to defend and protect together.

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Europe is at a turning point in it's history.How we deal with these problems will set a road of travel for centuries to come.

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A couple of hours before this atrocity, there was a major report on French TV about the mass of arms, especially AK47's, that were flooding into the country from the Balkans.

An undercover reporter was offered a lorry load, plus ammunition, for immediate delivery anywhere in France. "The weapons are cached in several places around the country, loaded and ready to be used".

Explosives, detonators, heavy machine guns, rockets.... all available too.

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There are those moments that stand out in history both on their own merits and as turning points in social or political attitudes. I suspect this was one.

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What about the quarter of a million innocent civilians who live in in Raqqa?

FYI, Raqqa has been hit by airstrikes from the Syrian, US, Russian, and Arab Nations Air Forces, not just 'a few drone attacks' - in fact, Jihadi John was killed by one of the Raqqa air strikes.

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:confused: No of course not that would be stupid clearly. What we have to do is take the fight to them. It's not going to be easy and there are going to be mistakes and innocent victims but that will happen whatever we do.

Overseas, like it or not, we're going to have to see boots on the ground and a concerted effort to wipe the **** out mostly according the usual rules of engagement and sometimes not as has always been the case in the heat of battle.

At home we need to expect that our lives and freedoms are going to be impinged upon in order to minimise the risks we face. It's been happening since the days of the IRA and it'll have to carry on to reflect the new reality that our enemies think nothing of suicide and aren't going to give us nice warnings. We need to be relentless in following up intelligence leads and provide the resources to make that happen whatever the cost. Sadly we're going to need to strengthen the powers the authorities have to monitor, intervene and detain suspects. This isn't going to be pleasant and there will be mistakes made but the alternative is worse IMHO.

No need for hate and no need for going around shooting anyone who looks different but, yes, there is going to be an increasing need to maintain a level of awareness and distrust but that doesn't have to be irrational. That's inevitable I'm afraid and waiting until we have Paris style attacks here before starting the process will only result in a more extreme reaction.

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France have a submarine of SLBMs somewhere in the Atlantic; they have tested neutron bombs, they have air delivered nukes too.

Why stop at Raqqa?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4627862.stm

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Really dreadful. I think it may have been planned to be later on and they brought it forward because of the death of Jihadi John, could not sleep for thinking of all these poor people killed and injured and their families,

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ISIS claim it was part retaliation for the Mohammed cartoon insults. We must never back down and the attacks are totally unjustified but if you poke a cobra don't act surprised when it reacts.

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Reports are coming in of a French train catching fire, derailing and crashing in to a lake in Strasbourg - some are suggesting it's a test train so unlikely to be carrying passengers.

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Five dead seven injured with the TGV crash. No word that it's associated with the current terror attacks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666

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http://news.sky.com/story/1587719/th...ved-in-belgium

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972

First confirmation that one of the terrorists infiltrated via the migrant run.

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Whether it's accurate on this occasion or not (and it looks like it is), we all know it's just a matter of time. Our enemies have an open door into the EU so why wouldn't they take it?

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If it is true then Germany will have a problem.

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True or not Germany I reckon already has a massive, self induced, problem and we should be very grateful we're not encumbered by the Schengen arrangements and have a nice stretch of deep, cold sea between us and them.

France strengthening its borders can only assist the UK in trying to prevent the numbers of 'jungle' inhabitants trying to break into the UK from escalating out of control.

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Being an island definately has advantages, but we must not be complacent and must remain vigilant!

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Too true. We've had no real control over our borders for ages with unknown people coming in whose motives we can only guess at. Most will be what they seem but it doesn't take many budding terrorists to cause carnage does it...

We clearly have out very own crop of home grown radicalised lunatics and they have to be dealt with accordingly but quite why successive govts. have been so relaxed about our porous borders for so long defeats me. Maybe one day they'll wake up and do something about it but how many of our enemies are already here planning and stirring up trouble?

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Briton confirmed among dead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34821001

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This combined with the refugee crisis is going to see some big changes to europe, expect now much more border security and less co-operation with america in middle east wars.

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I thought this when France closed it's borders.

I wonder what Britain and France will do with all of these asylum seekers and illegal immigrants now? This has taken things to a whole new level.

The protection of our island and it's inhabitants comes before anything else, even if this means turning away or forcibly removing genuine asylum seekers.

I've never agreed with the right of people within Europe to be able to live elsewhere, no matter what the host country wants. Hopefully this tragedy will knock some sense into the EU and allow our Government to end it once and for all with the forthcoming negotiations.

Extraordinary situations require extraordinary solutions.

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Omar Ismail Mostefai identified as one of the seven gunmen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34825080

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If our highly intelligent and advanced people genuinely didn't think that terrorists who want to enter the country to kill us have actually come through these open doors. then we have no hope at all. because the terrorists are obviously way smarter and nowhere near as thick as those that are supposed to be there to protect us.

you wait till it does happen.
we'll be scratching our heads saying HTF?!!

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Thank the lord for all those open borders eh? How wonderful that terrorists, gun runners, people traffickers, drug dealers, gangsters and all manner of sundry criminals are free to ply their trade throughout Europe. Clearly this is just the sort of enterprise we should be encouraging in order to ensure the Europe is a vibrant, interesting and safe place to live... :rolleyes:

Expecting common sense or anything like it to prevail within Europe is likely to result in a long, frustrating and ultimately pointless wait. Single currency, single state, free movement, open borders, one size fits all etc. etc. etc. It'd all be terrific in cloud cuckoo land... :shrug:

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Those who think there is not a problem with open borders within the EU to the UK should look closely at what has happened in Paris. I honestly feel that the open boarders and the fact that the EU are allowing all and sundry to cross from one side of the EU to the other without checks is criminal.

You can bet that those who agree with open borders would change there tune if it was one of there family killed by a terrorist who WALKED into the EU without any checks and was allowed to travel when and where they like.

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I think we might be coming towards a closure of the open borders. It started even before this after all. We will still have the problems of migrants trying to come across the closed borders though. They are taking boats to Greece or coming in via Turkey and short of building a manned wall across European borders they will find a way in.

Also ISIS would like nothing better than to see the West cause an even greater humanitarian crisis at it's borders so we need to think carefully how we would actually stop being coming in. Excessive force or letting people drown would not only be unconscionable to most people but it would also help foster resentment and bolster ISIS.

This is the same problem that I wrote about in the other thread. No one really knows the answer to this. It's logistically, politically and morally difficult to come up with an answer and most of the ones suggested would fall down if put into practise.

I saw yesterday, and now I cannot find a link, that a plan for a post-Assad Syrian administration was agreed by parties including the US and Russia. I still think that making Syria stable again and confronting (wiping out) ISIS is the best course of action.

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PS I like this article although it does slightly contradict what I said before: http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...rested-in-you/

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Two more excellent articles from the spectator. I urge everyone to subscribe to it.
https://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/20...do-with-islam/
https://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/20...-islam-itself/

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Looks like at least one of the attackers didn't want to meet his virgins straight away and is on the run.

Worryingly the car used was abandoned with guns and ammunition inside which would suggest there is an easy way for him to replenish his weapons eithout too much hassle.

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Everyone knows that it's all to do with Islam.
the only ones who say otherwise are the ones who offer cups of tea and a biscuit. and shout don't shoot it's nothing to do with me!

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I expect the coward will be dealt with accordingly.

Not really. just means he didn't want the car and didn't want to lug all the ammo around with him.

he'll go back to working in a shop or something now. he doesn't want to die. he's a coward.

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I'd say he is doing exactly what a decent terrorist should do, keeping the terror threat in the news and fear in peoples minds as long as possible.

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I don't think it's cowardly to know you are going to die because of your actions, whilst it isn't particularly brave to shoot unarmed people it isn't cowardly to know at the end of the day you'll be dead because of it to. It's a shame bravery isn't reserved for good people, it'd make things a lot easier.

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I don't think so.

They went out to do what they did and expected to die.
Is he the one that never blew himself up?
too scared to die.
coward.

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I think that the found passport thing could be propaganda though, seems odd that a terrorist would carry their passport and that it would be recovered fully unscathed after a terrorist attack.

Possible, but unlikely IMO.

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not really, in France you have to carry ID, last thing you'd want on the job is to be pulled on the way, and stopped for no ID & rumbled before you could do your deed.

And once you've done the job and are in 'paradise' no matter if your ID is known really.

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I've been expressing this point of view for years.

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This is well known. Thanks to the wonders of Schengen once you smuggle weapons into the bloc via the pretty porous borders of the nations on its eastern frontier you're all good.

Hand grenades especially are a real problem apparently. Ask Sweden.

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I guess that could explain it. I did initially think it sounded a bit too much like the passport of the 9/11 pilot having survived the fuel fire and rubble of 2 skyscrapers collapsing. A helpful guide as to which country would feel the wrath of revenge.

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Quite a lot of passports and paper survived from the 9/11 planes. The passport of the pilot wasn't atypical.

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I don't think anyone thinks there isn't a problem with it but rather who we refer to when talking of Islam. Islam seems even more branched than Christianity with two major paths, Sunni and Shia, then further divided into other branches of which one of them, Salafism, is the ideology that drives these people:

At least that's my rather limited understanding of it. I don't many people in the West really understand the religion or the various groups within it. I would worry about trying to have any serious opinions on something I don't understand.

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Not helped by the fact that we in the West tend to be sycophantic towards Wahhabism, we seem to adore Saudi Arabia and give them a free pass despite their actively promoting their extreme views both home and abroad.

I should rephrase that our politicians adore Saudi Arabia. I think most of the population was repulsed seeing politicians lining up to kiss Saudi Arabia's arse when their previous king died.

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Sam Harris has a good perspective on what we are up against:

Still Sleepwalking Toward Armageddon

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-paris-attacks

Just as well there are loads of firearms teams in the counties doing nothing, I mean they were onto some old bloke with two rifles in Cumbria in no time. Oh... :erm:
Plus if every cop allowed to carry firearms is rushed to London what level of cover is left for the rest of the country?

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Are these firearms units also being cut by the Government? If they are, not good timing ..

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If the cuts are for the protection of Dave and his men then I'm all for the cuts. they should even be cut further.

but same old rubbish. bring in loads of protection because we're scared.
and then back to normal and opening doors and stuff alll over again.

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Down to individual Chief Constables how many firearms officers they have in their force (subject to national minimums IIRC) but firearms training is expensive and with budgets slashed and due to be cut further you can bet they aren't really going overboard with the numbers.

That as well as a lot of cops not volunteering for the role as the know they'll get no backup from the bosses if they do shoot someone and get hung out to dry for it.

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I like Sam.

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Virgin have made any calls/texts to French Landlines & Mobiles over the weekend (5pm Friday to 5pm Monday) free of charge:

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...p/2968233#M444

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Not only is Brussels the seat of a lot of what's wrong in the EU, it also seems to be a bit of a hotbed for terrorism. There were we all thinking that Belgium is a boring place where nothing happens...

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Places I know well in Belgium have become very islamic. Locals don't like it, but neither do those in parts of the Netherlands similarly infested.

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Off to Wembley tomorrow so hoping for a powerful atmosphere :tu:

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Enjoy :tu:

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Hope you've learned the words of La Marsaillaise* matey. ;)

* In view of historic Anglo-French antipathy, however, you can keep your fingers discreetly crossed as I'm sure the French would do in similar circumstances... :)