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Damien 13-11-2015 09:39

Jihadi Gone?
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805924

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Originally Posted by BBC
US forces have carried out an air strike targeting the Islamic State group militant "Jihadi John", the Pentagon has said.

There is a "high degree of certainty" that he was hit in the attack near Raqqa, in Syria, according to a senior military source.

Mohammed Emwazi, the Kuwaiti-born British militant, appeared in videos of the beheadings of Western hostages.

:tu:

denphone 13-11-2015 09:51

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:tu:

Ramrod 13-11-2015 09:55

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:tu: :)

Chris 13-11-2015 10:19

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Those who live by the sword, die by the sword, or an American drone strike, as the case may be.

Gary L 13-11-2015 10:39

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His mum will miss him.

I bet there's a few angry terrorists in the UK today.

Hugh 13-11-2015 12:02

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You can run, but you'll just die tired...

Uncle Peter 13-11-2015 12:47

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Another coward removed from the gene pool.

Hopefully. Not confirmed as yet though.

Osem 13-11-2015 18:34

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Let's hope his death was as slow and terrifying as those he meted out to innocent people. Good riddance.

Ignitionnet 13-11-2015 18:41

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I don't celebrate the fact that he appears to be dead, but I'm certainly not for one second going to mourn him.

I almost regret being a humanist and, hence, believing that death is indeed the end, as he'd have I suspect had one hell of a surprise others given he was expecting 72 virgins.

Chris 13-11-2015 18:43

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Jezza latest:
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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said it appeared Emwazi had been "held to account for his callous and brutal crimes".
"However, it would have been far better for us all if he had been held to account in a court of law," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805924

Somehow I doubt he would volunteer to go in and try to arrest him - or even authorise a military intervention with that aim.

It's great being an activist, you don't have to have an overarching, coherent view of anything.

Ignitionnet 13-11-2015 19:09

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Nothing wrong with an aspiration. In an ideal world that's what we'd be able to do with all people like that guy. Sadly reality tends to get in the way of the ideals.

papa smurf 13-11-2015 19:25

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he was a lovely lad and had just started to turn his life around:sniper:

Sirius 13-11-2015 20:22

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They should have captured him, then beheaded him on the internet with a rusty spam can lid. :)

TheDaddy 13-11-2015 23:02

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35807758)
Nothing wrong with an aspiration. In an ideal world that's what we'd be able to do with all people like that guy. Sadly reality tends to get in the way of the ideals.

Oh no there's plenty wrong with having an aspiration that justice is best served in a court of law if your name is corbyn

ianch99 13-11-2015 23:37

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Corbyn is right: it would have been better if he had been captured and brought him back to be tried, convicted and locked away for life with some nice "friendly" cell mates.

In WWII, the Allies could have just made sure the Nazi leaders "died" during attempts to "capture" them but they wanted the world to see that they had been held to account for their crimes. With hindsight, a very wise decision ..

Hugh 14-11-2015 00:12

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Unfortunately, any attempt to extract him would probably resulted in loss of life, both locals and the attempted arresting forces.

People keep confusing films with real life.

TheDaddy 14-11-2015 00:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35807819)
People keep confusing films with real life.

How so, by deliberately misinterpreting what was said, I guess that's a sort of script writing

Damien 14-11-2015 00:37

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35807824)
How so, by deliberately misinterpreting what was said, I guess that's a sort of script writing

It's kind of a pointless statement though isn't it? Yes it would be better if he was put on trial but he is/was held up in an ISIS stronghold in Syria. It would have required a pretty substantial military operation to get him out of there. Remember that we're dealing with effectively a standing army here rather than just one group that special forces could deal with. It wouldn't have been possible to get him into court.

So with that in mind how are we meant to read Corbyn's statement? At best it's a bit of ideological grandstanding or at worst it's a implicit criticism of the way the Government handled the issue.

TheDaddy 14-11-2015 02:38

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35807825)
It's kind of a pointless statement though isn't it? Yes it would be better if he was put on trial but he is/was held up in an ISIS stronghold in Syria. It would have required a pretty substantial military operation to get him out of there. Remember that we're dealing with effectively a standing army here rather than just one group that special forces could deal with. It wouldn't have been possible to get him into court.

So with that in mind how are we meant to read Corbyn's statement? At best it's a bit of ideological grandstanding or at worst it's a implicit criticism of the way the Government handled the issue.

How about we don't read anything into his statement except what he actually said, it saves pointless and meaningless conjecture. Much like on remembrance day when people couldn't wait to jump on him because he didn't bow down the regulation length, their ire was only satisfied when it became apparent corbyn was the only politician who stayed behind afterwards to meet the actual veterans.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8506416

Ramrod 14-11-2015 12:03

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35807758)
Nothing wrong with an aspiration.

On the face of it, that's a good idea (rule of law etc) but think about what would have happened if that could have been acheived. He's been captured, put on trial and imprisoned for life.........his buddies then set about periodically capturing westerners as hostages to get him released, committing attrocities in retaliation for his imprisonment. More innocent people die and others suffer because we decided to do the right thing and capture him. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Maggy 14-11-2015 14:22

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35807905)
On the face of it, that's a good idea (rule of law etc) but think about what would have happened if that could have been acheived. He's been captured, put on trial and imprisoned for life.........his buddies then set about periodically capturing westerners as hostages to get him released, committing attrocities in retaliation for his imprisonment. More innocent people die and others suffer because we decided to do the right thing and capture him. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Our intention would be that we are a democracy that believes in the rule of law and are prepared to stick by it..and it wouldn't ever matter to this group because they use any excuse to justify their actions without any rule of law.

Osem 14-11-2015 14:33

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35807928)
Our intention would be that we are a democracy that believes in the rule of law and are prepared to stick by it..and it wouldn't ever matter to this group because they use any excuse to justify their actions without any rule of law.

Like it or not, methinks we're going to need some new laws to cope with the new threat.

Damien 14-11-2015 18:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35807854)
How about we don't read anything into his statement except what he actually said, it saves pointless and meaningless conjecture. Much like on remembrance day when people couldn't wait to jump on him because he didn't bow down the regulation length, their ire was only satisfied when it became apparent corbyn was the only politician who stayed behind afterwards to meet the actual veterans.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8506416

I am reading only into this statement and I am questioning why he felt the need to state that the guy should have had a fair trial when it wasn't at all feasible in the circumstances.

Osem 14-11-2015 19:08

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35807951)
I am reading only into this statement and I am questioning why he felt the need to state that the guy should have had a fair trial when it wasn't at all feasible in the circumstances.

Because Corbyn lives in a fantasy world and his views appeal to fantasists. He's been on the fringes of power and virtually anonymous for so long that he can't break the habit now he's a party leader.

TheDaddy 14-11-2015 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35807951)
I am reading only into this statement and I am questioning why he felt the need to state that the guy should have had a fair trial when it wasn't at all feasible in the circumstances.

Perhaps he felt the tabloid type jingoism surrounding this needed an antidote, who knows and who other than those with an axe to grind or not so well hidden agenda cares

Ramrod 15-11-2015 01:47

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Hmmm, this article encapsulates what is wrong with left wing thinking in the west:
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The Guardian has responded to the death of psychopathic ISIS terrorist Jihadi John as only the Guardian knows how: by reviving a charming, Facebook-style photo montage showing the martyred victim’s tragic journey from “shy, football-loving boy to Isis killer”.

If you read the sub-heading, you might even get the impression that the “Isis killer” part is in some doubt.
I can’t, somehow, imagine the Guardian devoting quite such special pleading to the case of a less ideologically sympathetic psychopath. For example, I’ve looked at its profile of Anders Breivik from the time of the Norway massacre, and there’s definitely no attempt made to tell us what a cute, lovable kid he was. His racism, Islamophobia, and right-wing politics, it’s made clear, are the driving force behind his actions. No doubt they were but had the Guardian given the same treatment to Emwazi, it would surely have treated us to lavish detail about the terrorists and terrorist-sympathisers he hung out with and about the Islamofascist ideology with which he had so clearly been indoctrinated.

Instead, the Guardian treads on eggshells in its eagerness not say anything bad about Islamism.
.....That’s the problem with the liberal-left these days: its so lunatic extreme it’s forever threatening to put parody out of business.

Osem 17-11-2015 09:45

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Totally agree. :tu:

ianch99 17-11-2015 17:04

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35808013)
Hmmm, this article encapsulates what is wrong with left wing thinking in the west:

This web site (www.breitbart.com) encapsulates what is wrong with right wing thinking in the west:

I’m a Gay Man and Mass Muslim Immigration Terrifies Me

Discrimination: 2,098 Syrian Muslim Refugees Allowed Into America, Only 53 Christians

It Works! Israel’s Policy of Home Demolitions Yields Arrest Of Terror Suspect

denphone 17-11-2015 17:50

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l think whether its the radical left or right the vast majority of people prefer thinking that is more in the middle of those two.

broadbandking 17-11-2015 19:13

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Glad he is dead, I can only hope he suffered like he made all those victims and their families suffer.


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