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RichardCoulter 06-11-2015 22:25

Scrap the apps for faster TiVo speed?
 
Many people are complaining that the TiVo is now too slow.

Given that there is no cheap or easy solution, I think that the best thing to do would be to scrap the apps.

People primarily get a TiVo to watch & record TV. Since TiVo was launched, there are now many cheap and easy ways to access apps.

I wouldn't bother to specifically buy a TV for the apps as they soon seem to go out of date. Demand 5 has recently stopped working on pre 2015 Samsung TV's (but they hope to restore it soon).

What do you think?

spiderplant 06-11-2015 23:41

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35806688)
What do you think?

I think baby & bathwater!

Removing the apps wouldn't make it faster. Removing redundant support software would (and hopefully will).

Stephen 06-11-2015 23:52

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I voted no as it will NOT make TiVo any faster at all.

Derekb108 07-11-2015 00:19

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I voted for no I believe the apps we have they maybe on the tad bulky but I think that's worth it due to the dedicated broadband connection...

RichardCoulter 07-11-2015 00:35

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35806697)
I think baby & bathwater!

Removing the apps wouldn't make it faster. Removing redundant support software would (and hopefully will).

My thinking is that no apps would mean that no support software at all would be needed, meaning that it would go faster (wouldn't it?)

What apps does the TiVo have?

alexcopeland 07-11-2015 01:28

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Prefer Netflix on our TiVo in the living room.

Derekb108 07-11-2015 01:59

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35806702)
My thinking is that no apps would mean that no support software at all would be needed, meaning that it would go faster (wouldn't it?)

What apps does the TiVo have?

No html 5 apps would mean you'd drag us back ten years in terms of content, data from website gathering actors information, for films and programs

denphone 07-11-2015 06:52

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Apart from the occasional blip l am pretty happy so l voted no as well.

muppetman11 07-11-2015 11:28

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Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35806704)
No html 5 apps would mean you'd drag us back ten years in terms of content, data from website gathering actors information, for films and programs

I actually agree the TIVO show/actor info is excellent as are it's other useful features like wishlists etc. I do however agree it needs speeding up which in my opinion will require a new box going forward.

OLD BOY 07-11-2015 12:50

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I voted no because I use the apps a lot and although I have other additional means of accessing them now, I think it would be a very detrimental step for the apps to be taken off the Tivo.

As spiderplant has said, it wouldn't make the Tivo go faster anyway, so please leave our apps alone!

Right, having said that, when are we getting Amazon and Now TV? :D:rofl:

Derekb108 07-11-2015 12:56

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35806714)
I actually agree the TIVO show/actor info is excellent as are it's other useful features like wishlists etc. I do however agree it needs speeding up which in my opinion will require a new box going forward.

please remember that the TIVO hardware is older 2010, but ask you is there another set Up box with a dedicated internet connection

OLD BOY 07-11-2015 13:00

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Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35806730)
please remember that the TIVO hardware is older 2010, but ask you is there another set Up box....

There's another one coming soon. Whatever that means....

muppetman11 07-11-2015 13:40

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Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35806730)
please remember that the TIVO hardware is older 2010, but ask you is there another set Up box with a dedicated internet connection

I honestly haven't got a clue being that I have more than enough bandwidth to go around its not something I've ever thought or worried about , I'm sure it may be a consideration for some.

For me personally it's Virgin's poor On Demand offering and lack of certain channels that keeps me away , shame really as aside from the speed of the box the Tivo has some good features.

RichardCoulter 07-11-2015 18:26

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Originally Posted by alexcopeland (Post 35806703)
Prefer Netflix on our TiVo in the living room.

Yes, I think that watching something on TV is always better than on a laptop, tablet etc

OLD BOY 08-11-2015 20:57

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35806773)
Yes, I think that watching something on TV is always better than on a laptop, tablet etc

Which is why we need to keep the apps on the Tivo! ;)

RichardCoulter 09-11-2015 02:37

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35806976)
Which is why we need to keep the apps on the Tivo! ;)

You could still do that though by plugging in something like a Roku Streaming Stick etc into a spare HDMI socket. If my suggestion works, it might be worth buying one to enjoy a faster and more enjoyable viewing experience overall.

Obviously, if my suggestion of taking away the apps, therefore negating the need for the supporting software for them that is slowing TiVo down, won't speed up the TiVo or there is an alternative way to speed up the box, then it would be a waste of time removing the apps.

andy_m 09-11-2015 09:24

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Hi all... Long time no see!

So, as many of you know, I love TiVo. However, because of the unique way Virgin Media is funded, I have found myself looking at other options and this year, despite a really good effort from retentions in fairness to them, I'm off. The next year will be spent in front of a combination of BT's youview box and Sky's NowTV. At the moment I have about a week of overlap whilst I clear the TiVo down and the youview series links take over. What I'm noticing which I either never really did or at least was prepared to accept is just how slow the TiVo is in comparison. The point was always made (by me amongst others) that TiVo was actually pretty quick given everything it has to do. The youview is faster, simpler and yet doesn't in any way feel like a step down in terms of functionality. And it has apps...

mike_gain 09-11-2015 14:42

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35807015)
Hi all... Long time no see!

So, as many of you know, I love TiVo. However, because of the unique way Virgin Media is funded, I have found myself looking at other options and this year, despite a really good effort from retentions in fairness to them, I'm off. The next year will be spent in front of a combination of BT's youview box and Sky's NowTV. At the moment I have about a week of overlap whilst I clear the TiVo down and the youview series links take over. What I'm noticing which I either never really did or at least was prepared to accept is just how slow the TiVo is in comparison. The point was always made (by me amongst others) that TiVo was actually pretty quick given everything it has to do. The youview is faster, simpler and yet doesn't in any way feel like a step down in terms of functionality. And it has apps...

While it won't be admitted I think the TiVO development team have struggled learning how to write efficient software for firstly the Air platform and now the Haxe platform. The fact they moved to Haxe is an indicator they were aware of their problems with the Air platform, however in IT moving technology is very rarely the silver bullet, it's never that simple.

I've been extremely happy with my Tivo boxes having got my first one the very week they became available and my 2nd one a couple of months later and never really noticed any sluggish behavior but the box degraded with the release of the Plum update and it would appear (as Spiderplant has used the word hopefully) that there is no certain diagnosis as to why excessive physical memory is being consumed but have observed data being paged in and out more frequently than expected and are hoping to go on a streamlining exercise.

While having the apps on TiVo used to be a great advantage I have multiple devices that do the job of iPlayer, Netflix and Youtube much better and without the terrible load time. Having an all-in-one remote means I don't really care anymore that I have multiple devices...it's quicker for me to press the "Blu Ray Player" activity and load Netflix than it is to try and do it from the TiVo box.

However that's not to say that the TiVO should not have Apps, if they can get their memory problems fixed properly (and not by just purging redundant software as that is neither reliable nor sustainable) and resolve the other infrastructure issues the apps would be a great addition to the box. However as it stands I would have to say the apps and their dependencies should be whipped out until someone at TiVo can figure out how to write software on Haxe efficiently and the get some quality control on the apps being installed onto the box and hopefully both will prevent a repeat of the memory issues we are experiencing.

OLD BOY 09-11-2015 19:57

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35807010)
You could still do that though by plugging in something like a Roku Streaming Stick etc into a spare HDMI socket. If my suggestion works, it might be worth buying one to enjoy a faster and more enjoyable viewing experience overall.

Obviously, if my suggestion of taking away the apps, therefore negating the need for the supporting software for them that is slowing TiVo down, won't speed up the TiVo or there is an alternative way to speed up the box, then it would be a waste of time removing the apps.

Yes, I have a Roku streaming stick and I am very pleased with it. However, it shouldn't be necessary given that the Tivo can support apps. I am sure that most people would rather have all their TV apps on one device rather than have to fork out for a myriad of boxes, streaming sticks, etc.

denphone 09-11-2015 20:13

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Yes l certainly don't want to have 3 or 4 different boxes or sticks.


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