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Arthurgray50@blu 05-11-2015 14:24

Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
http://news.sky.com/story/1582163/sp...trapped-police

This Conservative Government should be totally ashamed of themselves for this to be happening.

WHY, should the Police service have to apply for sponsorship, or even doing speed cameras to gets funds to put stop these severe cuts to the police forces un and down the country.

ALL police services are very short of money to keep police officers or even police staff for that matter.

We know that Osborne, has insisted on putting another 185 million ON top of the 800 million they want to save and therefore cutting police officers and staff

OUR safety is being put in jeopardy at this decision. THEY should increase Police officers and staff on our streets.

On the area where l live - there are TWO officers patrol a wide area.ONE PC and ONCE PCSO and l live on a large area

Over on the Hounslow side, we have officers covering TWO wards as they are reducing them

I firmly believe that if there is a terrorist attack on London, and it has been threatened many times by IS, London WILL NOT be protected and the public will suffer big time

We had a major rave in London, and we heard that it was bad and officers injured

WE must have more officers on the streets of London AND The UK.

Sponsorship is what the government want, so they don't have to fund the police forces

Speed cameras, should NOT be used to fund hard up forces. There are are petitions all over the UK to stop these cuts.

Several police commissioners are going to take legal action to stop these cuts

What is totally farcical, is that Cameron and Co are PROUD to send billions abroad. But our safety is at risk. So those billions can put officers on the street.

Why should WE have our life's at risk, when a MILLION quid could put at least 300 hundred extra officers for several years

mrmistoffelees 05-11-2015 14:59

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
How specifically have you been placed at increased risk or had your safety placed in increased jeopardy due to the funding currents to police services?

Derek 05-11-2015 15:22

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50
Why should WE have our life's at risk, when a MILLION quid could put at least 300 hundred extra officers for several years

While I entirely agree the current reductions in Police funding are shocking and designed to usher in private Policing I should point out even at £19,000 a year starting wage you won't get 300 extra cops with £1,000,000, even without taking other costs like training, uniforms equipment etc into account.

Paul 05-11-2015 16:03

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35806536)
Why should WE have our life's at risk, when a MILLION quid could put at least 300 hundred extra officers for several years

Ummm, no it wont. You need to brush up on basic maths.

Assuming they are paid 20,000 per year, it would only fund 50, for one year.

Ignitionnet 05-11-2015 16:07

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
The mean streets on the border of Hounslow and St Margarets, Richmond upon Thames, are not to be taken lightly.

Arthurgray50@blu 05-11-2015 17:36

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
I work very closely with the police, and l think its very wrong in what the government is doing.

The Police service should not be having cuts of this nature.It always appears to me that this government are making cuts in the wrong places.

They should start within there own ranks, and stop paying expenses, when they don't need it

beeman 05-11-2015 17:47

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
Arthur this is Bedfordshire (where i told you about last week). The police commissioner is just throwing his toys out of his pram because people voted against his plan for an increase in council tax. The people of Bedfordshire were ASKED if they wanted more bobbies (and pay for it) and they said no. Now the commissioner is finding ways to make them pay anyway.

ianch99 05-11-2015 18:21

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
I am really suprised that the conservative minority that voted in the current Government are not more vocal in their concerns over the cuts in policing. It is one thing having crime increasing in the inner city but when it rises in the shires and home counties then this is really too near home for comfort?

Gary L 05-11-2015 19:07

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
The best part is that the "criminals" know about the cuts to the police force.

and the word will spread to everyone. and soon we will have to police ourselves.

techguyone 05-11-2015 19:44

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
It's ok, they'll make the speed cameras 'zero tolerance' and make money that way... Yes it's been suggested by some twunt commissioner (labour)

Gary L 05-11-2015 19:58

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
We're all turning against each other.
the police are turning against the public. and the public will soon be turning against the police.

I said this will start happening.
this is what Dave wants. and it's what Dave is surely going to get the way things are going.

When people are struggling for money and all they keep doing is giving whatever money they do have by way of taxes and money raising fines. they're going to snap.
snap one by one. few by few. hundreds and then thousands.

Arthurgray50@blu 05-11-2015 22:06

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-34719997

Just read this article. We should NOT have this to happen. The police forces in the UK, should not have to have this happen. By fining drivers for speeding or even having sponsorship.

In our Council Taxes, its part of that tax that we pay for police. We also pay Income Tax, we also pay various taxes towards this terrible government.

We as the public, should not be under this pressure of having NO PROTECTION on our streets

Some Police forces have G4S doing some police work. What this government want is to privatise the police.

I know of several officers that have been told that they are thinking of going, as there are plans to get rid of officers with 15 - 20 years service AS THEY ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.

The Home Office would love to get Police Officers or staff to work for 17000 per year.

Put it this way, WOULD any member of this forum become a police officer ?

TheDaddy 05-11-2015 22:23

Re: Totally apalled at this Government for this to happen
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35806565)
It's ok, they'll make the speed cameras 'zero tolerance' and make money that way... Yes it's been suggested by some twunt commissioner (labour)

Money which his force won't be getting, camera revenue goes straight to government. If these people have no grasp of basic facts it just goes to show how rediculous and worthless these commissioner roles were in the first place

Arthurgray50@blu 05-11-2015 23:32

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
I would rather have coppers and staff on our streets, then worry about where the money is coming from.

Remember at the end of the day, when you pay your council tax, part of that tax pays for coppers or staff to patrol YOUR streets.

I suggest you sign the petitions out there. I believe all over the country, these petitions have hit just under 50.000 All the main Unions have got one going. And there are street petitions also

Hugh 06-11-2015 09:03

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Because you never worry where the money is coming from (as long as it's from somebody else...).

alferret 06-11-2015 19:52

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35806583)
I would rather have coppers and staff on our streets, then worry about where the money is coming from.

Remember at the end of the day, when you pay your council tax, part of that tax pays for coppers or staff to patrol YOUR streets.

I suggest you sign the petitions out there. I believe all over the country, these petitions have hit just under 50.000 All the main Unions have got one going. And there are street petitions also

Arthur why would we have staff patrolling our streets? Who is this staff you speak of?

Arthurgray50@blu 06-11-2015 20:45

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Hugh, ever since the Tories got into power, they have been cutting this and that.

I work alongside police and staff, and you cannot have LESS police of staff on the streets no matter you live.

I see elderly people that have been mugged or robbed in the street, and you have to wait for police to turn up. Purely as they take more serious crimes before anything else.

I have spoken with homeless people that have been attacked. and then get asked 'where are the police when you want them' oe ambulances when you need them.

This is because of cutbacks, and the Home Office are now turning the screw even tighter to save even more money. On the Instructions of the Government to save money.

We need police officers and staff on our streets.

Hugh 06-11-2015 20:50

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Arthur, have you ever considered you are a "trouble magnet"?

It seems wherever you go, or whoever you are with, bad things happen - you seem to have seen more misery and suffering than Mother Teresa.......

Gary L 06-11-2015 21:13

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35806678)
Arthur, have you ever considered you are a "trouble magnet"?

It seems wherever you go, or whoever you are with, bad things happen - you seem to have seen more misery and suffering than Mother Teresa.......

Probably hasn't got a pair of rose coloured glasses. that's all :D

Arthurgray50@blu 06-11-2015 21:21

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Police staff l am talking about are PCSO's in saver neighbourhood Teams

On our area, we had the following 1sgt 2 Pcs and Three PCSO's. We now have 1sgt who control's TWO areas, One PC covering the same and ONE PCSO

We have a drug problem on our estate, and yet when you call someone - no one turns up. When you report it, No one replies.

I think what is going to happen like some forces have is PRIVATE firms, like G4S who l believe are in some control rooms

Even today, the Police Commissioner said that his force are at full stretch to cope because of cuts.

Hugh 06-11-2015 22:24

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35806684)
Probably hasn't got a pair of rose coloured glasses. that's all :D

Why don't you loan him your spare pair? ;)

Mr Banana 07-11-2015 22:24

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35806578)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-34719997

Just read this article. We should NOT have this to happen. The police forces in the UK, should not have to have this happen. By fining drivers for speeding or even having sponsorship.

In our Council Taxes, its part of that tax that we pay for police. We also pay Income Tax, we also pay various taxes towards this terrible government.

We as the public, should not be under this pressure of having NO PROTECTION on our streets

Some Police forces have G4S doing some police work. What this government want is to privatise the police.

I know of several officers that have been told that they are thinking of going, as there are plans to get rid of officers with 15 - 20 years service AS THEY ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.

The Home Office would love to get Police Officers or staff to work for 17000 per year.

Put it this way, WOULD any member of this forum become a police officer ?

A few would probably like to lead a union though Arthur

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-freezes.html

mrmistoffelees 08-11-2015 05:38

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35806687)

We have a drug problem on our estate, and yet when you call someone - no one turns up. When you report it, No one replies.

Have you considered detoxing? Might help you with the utter nonsense you post as well

Still waiting for an answer to my question too

Sirius 08-11-2015 06:56

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35806854)
Have you considered detoxing? Might help you with the utter nonsense you post as well

Still waiting for an answer to my question too

Arthur answers questions about his rants only if by doing so the answer allows him to bash Boris or the Tories. By starting a new rant about Boris or the Tories he then never then returns to his old rants.

Arthurgray50@blu 08-11-2015 21:28

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
I will always bash the Tories and that clown Boris. They are ruining this country with all the cuts.

And that berk Boris, if he ever goes for PM. Then we should all leave the country. All he is concerned with is bringing out cycle lanes and spending thousands on it.

There are rumours that with Boris, they are planning on Greenford Roundabout. Filling a safe underground section for pedestrians AND cyclists. and putting the cycle lanes on the roundabout which is extremely busy at any time

---------- Post added at 21:28 ---------- Previous post was at 21:24 ----------

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-...ollowing-cuts/

Thought that l would share this with you all. Good isn't it. Some people with sense

mrmistoffelees 09-11-2015 07:48

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Still no answer Arthur

Must be all the time you're spending sorting your spare bedroom for the homeless/ex service personnel?

Gary L 09-11-2015 09:08

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35806995)


Thought that l would share this with you all. Good isn't it. Some people with sense

Nothing sensible about that.
it just encourages the thinking that if you want police. then you can pay for it out of your own money.

which means that rich streets will have police men.
and poor streets will have budget baseball bat men.

ianch99 09-11-2015 09:40

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Now you are not all ganging up on Arthur are you? ;)

Hom3r 09-11-2015 19:19

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
We should have done what the Dutch did.

People destroyed them, in various, one was to put expandable foam inside :D (Tuf-tuf Club)

Same with Wheel clamps, the French put superglue in the locks even if it wasn't there car.

End result, no speed cameras in Holland, and no wheel clamps in France

Hugh 09-11-2015 20:32

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Your information appears to be out of date.

Holland speed cameras http://netherlands.angloinfo.com/tra...g/on-the-road/

Quote:

Speed limits are implemented rigorously and radar traps are frequent. Driving over the speed limit and other law infringements are severely punished (fines, licence withheld, vehicle seized). Speed cameras, speed traps and unmarked vehicles are used by the traffic police.
http://www.holland.com/uk/tourism/ar...d-by-car-1.htm
Quote:

. There are many speed cameras and other traffic control devices in the Netherlands. The penalties for speeding, using your mobile phone while driving, driving under the influence of alcohol and driving through a red light can easily run up to a few hundred Euros.
France clamping http://www.rac.co.uk/driving-abroad/france
Quote:

Enforcement of parking regulations

Vehicles which are parked contrary to the regulations may be towed away and impounded, whether they are residents' cars or vehicles registered abroad. The owner is liable for the cost of impounding and for every 24 hours the vehicle is kept.

In Paris and some other large towns, illegally parked vehicles are immobilised by wheel clamps, even if the vehicles are registered abroad. The driver must go to the local police station and pay a fine for dangerous parking or for causing an obstruction, as well as a fine to have the vehicle released.
https://www.justlanded.com/english/F...eisure/Parking
Quote:

If your car is given a ticket ( papillon) and isn’t moved within an hour, it will be given a second ticket and after two hours a wheel clamp may be fitted or it may be towed way.

Paris has six car pounds ( fourrière) and in addition to a parking fine of between €35 and €135 you must also pay a fee to release your car from a pound (or to have a clamp removed), plus a daily storage charge.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-11-2015 20:53

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Toffee, We are not allowed to have anyone in our house - other than family. Its against council rules. Does that answer your question

I see the worst of homeless people, and being a grown man. Its makes a tear in my eyes, when l see the homeless freezing. Or families that don't have any money due to budget cuts

The worst that l have ever seen is elderly proud people in queues at supermarket with no proper food in there baskets.

beeman 09-11-2015 21:03

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

The driver must go to the local police station and pay a fine for dangerous parking or for causing an obstruction, as well as a fine to have the vehicle released.
This is what i never understood with clamping, if a car is "causing an obstruction" or dangerously parked how can making it so they cant be moved from that dangrous position be a suitable answer?

appoligies for the offtopicness

TheDaddy 10-11-2015 07:31

Re: Speed Cameras May Help Fund Cash-Strapped Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35807104)
Same with Wheel clamps, the French put superglue in the locks even if it wasn't there car.

End result, no speed cameras in Holland, and no wheel clamps in France

Well they wouldn't glue up the locks on clamps on their own cars or else end result is a clamp that can't be got of their own car. Tbh I'm not buying this, clamps are £250 for 10, decent locks even cheaper, there's still to much profit in it for this to stop it.

---------- Post added at 07:31 ---------- Previous post was at 07:29 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35807119)
This is what i never understood with clamping, if a car is "causing an obstruction" or dangerously parked how can making it so they cant be moved from that dangrous position be a suitable answer?

appoligies for the offtopicness

They don't immobilise to keep the vehicle there they clamp to stop it being moved before they tow it away. If it's dangerously parked and the culprit simply drives of where's the deterrent or punishment


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