Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)
 

All those hard working people were lied to by Dave.
he promised them that he would reward them if they listened to his lies and voted him back in.

they did. and they regret it now.
at least more and more people will be singing the song Dave the liar. the cheating liar!

Hard Working British People!!
:)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-conservative

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It seems members of the House of Lords are entitled to claim 300 pounds for every day they turn up (even if they only stay a short while) plus expenses plus subsidised meals.

My lad working in a supermarket does not earn anything like 300 pounds in a whole week. The subsidised canteen has almost gone and the pressure to work harder (as well as being jolly to the customers) increases all the time.

Public spending cuts should start in the Houses of Parliament, in my humble opinion.

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Whilst it would set a good example the savings are miniscule compared to the burgeoning bill for tax credits. Any change in benifits will produce winners and losers, it's inevitable.

Replacing the need for tax credits by getting employers to pay a bit more is IMHO the way to go. The mistake here is to phase out credits before wage increases have had a chance to compensate.

As to whether Dave really lied you have to examine what he said. Like any politician read what he actually said rather than what you thought he said.

IIRC the increase in wages to compensate for tax credit cuts was to be only fully compensated by the END of the current parliament. i.e 2020.

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Remember we are all in this together so we were told but of course politicians are experts at political obfuscation.

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Nicely put Den but I would just have said they are all >insert expletive of choice< liars.

It is, afterall, the main qualification for the job.

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Tax credits need to be rid of. But the other measures should be in place before they are removed.

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Like wages that do not require topping-up by general taxation. :dozey:

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Business has had it easy for a while having the government topping up people's money to counter low wages and it's about time it finished. Tax credits created a situation where good people got a job but still had to claim money from the government to actually have a liveable income. Every person who has a job should get a living wage from it with no top up's from government so that they can feel proud to be working which should also be the social norm. As for lying IDS does it all the time he misleads parliament and not a whisper we the public seem to have allowed politicians to further lower the bar without opposition from us.

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I agree with the aim that the Government/taxpayer shouldn't be subsidising employers, but uncomfortable with the scattergun approach to tax credit reductions.

However, it would appear the lady who was so eloquent/passionate on QT will not be affected by the changes...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...y-reforms.html

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Looks more and more like a lefty BBC plant, carefully coached, and intended to make the government look cruel and nasty.

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Or she could have been paid by Dave and a deliberate plant to show people that he's the boss.

or she simply may have been naturaly worried what with all the cuts that she's going to lose money one way or another.

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Rubbish

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A lefty plant on the BBC? :eeek:

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Well it wouldn't be the first time that QT audience selection criteria has been biased. The BBC have plenty of form in this respect.

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Personally l have as much faith in most parts of the media as l have in obfuscating politicians.

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Hilarious that when someone highlights that the current Government policy is flawed, they react that the whole story is a "plant" and the reporting organisation is biased.

Maybe Ex-Tory minister Andrew Mitchell is a BBC "plant"?:

Tory MPs increase pressure on Osborne to soften tax credit cuts

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Even Boris is worried about it....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1ee67d80-6...#axzz3ovIAnVv2

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ax-credit-cuts

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This is Cybernat levels of conspiracy.

Besides as Ianch99 has pointed out this is hardly a popular policy so I can't imagine the 'lefty BBC' would have needed to bother finding a plant. There are a number of Tories uncomfortable with this and even The Sun has come out against it.

Sometimes the Tories do have unpopular policies that negatively impact people's lives and that is their own fault. You can't keep blaming Labour/the BBC/Liberals.

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Yet as Hugh pointed out in post #9 the woman will not be affected in anyway by the changes so why the vehement emotional attack?

There are any number of explanations from simple ignorance to being put up to do it. It's just the sort of stunt that the left love like spitting in your boss's tea or hoping a Tory conference delegate gets raped.:rolleyes:

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Yes she obviously won't be affected but many will and if the Conservatives don't realise that then they only have themselves to blame for getting into a mess as politicians need to listen and not just pay lip service to voters concerns as history clearly tells us that if party's don't listen and learn then eventually they will be punished at the ballot box..

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Maybe she didn't understand it? The letters haven't yet been sent out and there is probably a great deal of confusion on who is getting their credits cut and who isn't. Most people probably think tax credits are simply disappearing.

The left contains a great spectrum of people from those who riot to those who are more considerate. Just like everyone on the right isn't a EDL member not everyone on the left subscribes to the socialist worker. There isn't any need to assume that those with different political views are these grotesque charactertures.

The SNP Twitter trolls made these exact same accusations of plants during a BBC indyref debate when someone challenged Dear Leader in a aggressive way.

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I won't be affected in any way but it's still a pretty horrid plan, so you can count me as a 'BBC plant' if you like. As pointed out earlier, a lot more people would feel so much more comfortable with:

As said earlier in the thread.

As also pointed out, I absolutely loath how they manage to make cuts to every single corner of the country besides their own pocket. I hardly ever bother with politics because they're all full of brown stuff. Labour - give everyone what they want, bankrupt and eventually turn the country upside down whilst lying through elections. Tories - Take it all away, lie through elections, tears like a wet paper towel when under pressure from foreign nations.

It's hopeless, a giant game of ping pong and we're the ball.

People wonder why Afghanistan keep asking why we wish to install a government when they simply don't want one.. I think I realise now why they don't want it.

Be real here, how are employers going to fund the makeup for the tax credits? assuming they do manage, no doubt the cost of living will just rise with your pay rise :dunce:

It's easy enough to say businesses have had it easy, the well off well respected business will have already been paying their employees over minimum wage. I know quite a lot of businesses that are relatively small that pay minimum wage and are still on the brink, this will knock them over the edge.

Seen the plastic bag debate? let's be real again and honest, the people complaining don't give a toss about 5 pence, they just love the chance to have a good old tory bashing rant. These are the same people that get to vote... What's the point anymore.

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In the best spirit of pantomime, "Oh yes they can"!

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Never mind, things can only get better...

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Well that's ok then - if i doesn't affect you then that's the only thing that matters. No wonder she's a Tory !

Fact is Dave and his ministers outright lied about Tax Credits. They point blank and continually refused to say before the election where the massive savings in welfare would come from. They must have known.

I'm not surprised, nor should anybody else be. Politicians lie to get into power, dealing with the consequences is a minor detail once they've got that power. They hope by the time the next election will come around the fools will have forgotten.

I've limited sympathy for those that are complaining now but voted Tory. A lot of them must have done. The British public really aren't the smartest.

The 8 billion NHS funding lie will be next.

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Next Spring we shall see how employers tackle the rise in their wage bills. Trim the staff levels, absorb the cost?

If it's the former, I forsee a lot of industrial unrest as the dole queues start to grow.

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This thread shows why the quality of our politicians has sunk "a lefty plant" nice way to buy into the divide and conquer mentality that has allowed things to get the way they are. Just because your not hit by a measure shouldn't mean it isn't opposed by you if it's wrong and especially if it's a lie everyone of us should be up in arms about the lies. I won't be hit by any tax credit change but doesn't mean I should just green light it, this is what they want be they red, blue or yellow keeping quiet and going along splitting us into ever smaller more devisive groups fighting each other. For the record until the last election I'd been a conservative voter all my adult life, but even I could see at the last election they weren't being honest and that ideology not the public good was driving them.

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Conservative MP uses her Maiden speech to attack tax credit changes: http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...x-credit-cuts/

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Except that she won't be losing any money!

But why let the facts get in the way of a good lefties argument? :LOL:

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Did you miss the bit that this lady won't be losing out at all?

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I think you will find it's a very popular policy! The majority of the electorate agree that handouts of working people's money should only be given for the truly needy. That's who they were originally intended for.

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Did you miss the bit where other people *would* be losing out? Did you actually bother reading any of the links posted?

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He even missed out the order of events. and that nobody knew she wouldn't be losing out until later.

But why let facts get in the way of a tory supporter! :LOL:

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This Conservative MP certainly aint happy with it as it stands...

https://www.politicshome.com/economy...al-tory-values

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...x-credit-cuts/

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Yes, I have read the other comments. Examples would be nice.

The trouble is, too many people are looking at the tax credit reductions without considering the positives (eg the increasing start point for paying income tax, the increase in the new minimum living wage and so forth).

I certainly do think that if any full time working people on a very low income find themselves appreciably worse off than before, some sort of protection mechanism should be applied.

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Lawson urges Osborne to soften impact on lowest paid.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...aid?CMP=twt_gu

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To be fair I never recall cameron promising to not cut child tax credit, the promise was for child benefit.

Even myself who some consider quite left wing, the amount of financial aid given to parents was clearly excessive when the tories came into power.

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Here you go, I think this is the 'promise' he made.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-made-6450614

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Seems to be talking about child tax credits.

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the answer to your question is it should come from shareholders, interesting research someone reported on shows the amount of profits taken by shareholders in the past 4 decades has steadily risen which has reduced wages and investment.

Obviously small companies which may just have a single owner are somwhat different but subsidising wages has gave companies a habit of thinking "its ok to pay low wages", that habit needs to stop.

What I fear is that osborne will back down on what is one of the few good things the tories have done and the cuts will be diverted to he most vulnerable, those without a voice, the disabled and sick.

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thanks, so he lied. Although the videos arent clear, was a vague question,, mixing up child benefits with it.

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67pc of working tax credit recipients will be made worse off by Osborne’s Tax Credit reforms according to this publication.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...ornes-reforms/

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Pretty damning analysis from The Spectator.

Can't help but feeling the Tories have overreached here and this isn't going to go well for them.

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Let's see some CF evenhandedness here. If this was a Labour government trying to push through a patently unfair policy there would be countless posts attacking "Liebour" etc.

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It's a funny part of history though.

Vote for me and I'll punish the unemployed, the sick and disabled.
vote for me Thou Great Hard Working People and you shall prosper.
vote for me Great People and I shalt protect you.

then he shouts "Fooled Ya!" LOL

Re: Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)
 

I think this could be a "poll tax" moment.

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More like the GB 10% tax rate removal moment.

Let's hope they recognise it and not let history repeat itself.

Whilst I'm in favour of getting rid of this benefit and transferring the resonsibility for giving decent wages to the employers it has been very badly handled. With any change, just like a typical budget, there will be some winners and some losers. It's the amounts and the suddenness that will cause many people difficulties.

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Absolutely.

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And if it is the public have long memories and don't forget things in a hurry as we all know.

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Wonder if the Tories will go though with their plan to appoint a bunch of Tories to the Lords if they reject it...

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Good (imho) article on this by Robert Peston.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34637068

He makes an interesting, and very (again, imho) relevant point -

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The Government has been defeated!

Two motions have passed. One delaying the introducing of the cuts depending further investigation and one saying that current claimants should have the impact mitigated. The easy way out now is the for the Government to say it applies to new claimants only (won't be seen as a u-turn now either!) and be done with it. Either that or have a showdown with the HoL.

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I am delighted at this. The Government stated that 'they are the party of the working people' well they lied to the voter.

Osborne has tried to bring cruel cuts to Tax Credits. When my kids were young, l took any job to keep myself of the Dole. Tax Credits were a lifeline

Biggest problem for Osborne and Cameron, is that ANY money saved will probably be sent oversea's which they are proud to do. Instead of investing in creating jobs in the UK

Its appears to me after this cruel cut - that was defeated- would have hit quite a lote of people. But there again this government don't care. Next thing on the agenda will be something else.

You cannot run a country, under all this anxiety of what will happen next

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What that 2nd chamber of unelected ex-fat cat politicians and toffs that people moan about all the time, and want rid off ................

This is why the 2nd chambers works, as is.

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i was surprised to find that tax credits come from the inland revenue
and not the welfare works and pensions.
the cuts were not going to take anything off the £12B welfare dept
so what was they going to do with the £4.5 billion that was to be saved

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LOL has anyone noticed that Osborne looks like he's on really hard drugs?

seriously the man looks like he's flying!

oh and poor Dave. people are starting to realise he's a right evil TWiT and has had to reverse he's evil work.
he's not going to be happy.

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I am glad this is being reviewed - I believe there should be an impact assessment on those affected, and it should be phased in / balanced with raised income tax allowances & increased minimum wages.

btw, there was another interesting point made in the Robert Peston piece I linked to earlier

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You don't have to be Robert Peston to know that. It's what Labour do. ;)

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I can see big changes in politics now. Cameron wont put up with The Lords telling him what he can or can't do.

What l laughed about was the Tory MP saying afterwards, that The Lords are not an elected party.

Who put them in there - PMs As l understand it - Cameron WILL put Tory peers in there, I am sure there are plenty of millionaires who give money to the Tories, who will save the day.

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Arthur don't worry.
Dave is going soon.
nobody wants another Thatcher. his own party is about to throw him out.

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Sorry but I disagree. What is this bunch of unelected ex-fat cat politicians and toffs doing meddling in the affairs of the elected Government?

It's time this bunch took their last handout and get the fudge out of Rog.

We haven't needed this ermined gentry for decades; if they are going to start messing with financial planning then we need shot of them.

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Are we not forgetting that nothing can effect the Tories, as they arranged it so that they WILL serve five years.

I just wish the public could give ' a no vote of confidence' in The Tory Party, as they have lied to the electorate

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http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-...-benefit-cuts/

I have to laugh at this comment, by the biggest **** that walks London. If they cannot do something to stop a vote going to Parliament. Then whats the point of having them

Boris is a prat, he is always going on trips abroad to try and get business for the UK. Yet his mate David is quite willing to cut benefits for hard up voters. And yet the Conservative are pouring millions to oversea's countries while the UK suffer.

But him and Osborne should go into Cameron's bunker and say 'what are we doing' instead of clasping there hands in joy of how to make people suffer in the UK

The House of Lords made a judgment and the Tories sould accept the decision and stop making athreat

boris is a prat

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The Lords cannot stop a bill, they can delay it and suggest amendments but they can't stop it.

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The HoL is an anachronism and a meddlesome one at that. Unelected toffs should keep their noses out of important Government policy; they have embarrassed us all not just the chancellor.

There's nearly £90m to be saved when that lot goes; wouldn't you rather have that money in the pockets of hard working families Arthur?

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Yeah lets do away with the second chamber so that everything goes through nice and easy don't need meddlesome people getting in the way. Every now and then the house of lords actually get it right not often I'll grant but they do have a habit of getting it right when it counts. Cameron and Osbourne got too confident and it's come back to bite them which is not a bad thing the two of them realising they can't actually do as they please is the best thing for this country.

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Without an effective opposition in the commons the Labour / Lib-dem majority in the lords is the only effective force to hold the government to account.

Not a good situation but if it makes the removal of tax credits phased and less painful then it's all for the good. There is talk of raising the NI threshold to put more money into the pockets of the lowest paid.

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Except it wasn't a bill it was a Statutory Instrument (SI) which in certain cases (like this) need expressly approving by both Houses.

Cheers

Grim

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The democratically elected Government has been frustrated by a bunch of old rambling handbags who sleep in the chamber. When awake, they mumble with the self-important strangulated elocution of a very bygone era.

We are the riff-raff that has to be tolerated if their wine cellar is to be kept topped up for buckshee; be nice to the natives old fruit.

Your preference for toffs over posh boys is a bit paradoxical :D.

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Someone remind me which half of the former coalition government rejected reform of the Lords to a democratically elected chamber in the last parliament?

Fascinating how the Lords being unelected goes from being useful when a government is stuffing it with their appointments to an issue when things don't go their way.

Chances of genuine reform are of course slim. I can think of few things a government would find more alarming than a proportionally elected second chamber with senate powers. It runs a strong risk that our legislature will actually start to be more genuinely representative rather than being entirely winnable through targeted, intense, expensive campaigning in a small subset of seats.

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I do hope the recent Tory outrage will led them to supporting reform but I doubt it's going to amount to much. It will probably simply result in removing powers and nothing more.

This has to be the most incompetent and tone-deaf action of the Tory actions since 2010 though. The refusal to back-down as all their support, even from the press and backbenchers, was ebbing away as well as the inability to see why suddenly removing a substantial amount of somebodies income would cause issues. It's even more puzzling considering there were obvious alternatives that wouldn't be so drastic but would still have made up a lot of the savings.

Maybe they just got far too confident.

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You can't seriously claim that cutting tax credits is about the country living within its means when you are simultaneously cutting inheritance tax.

That's nothing more than a transfer of money from the poor to the extremely wealthy. That they didn't think there would be pushback is astonishing.

What's worse is that Labour in the Commons have managed to be utterly impotent and the push against the tax credit changes has come from elsewhere.

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As long as labour are as ineffective as they are in the commons we are going to need greater opposition from the HOL or this current bunch of Tories will run rampant tearing our society to pieces as they go. Living within our means is a very subjective thing to Osbourne that only applies when it suits him and Cameron seems to think his election win gives him carte Blanche to do as he pleases. They are temporary residents and the sooner the public start paying attention the better. Cameron I'm not too worried about I don't give him too much longer as PM but who follows may well be worse.

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Fair comment. It just goes to show how unpredictable and unreliable the old duffers are. It's no way to run a modern Country.

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I see your point but tax credits are unearnt money whilst inheritance tax is an iniquitous tax on already taxed income (ie it's my property, I earnt the money to pay for it and I want a say as to who it's left to-and that doesn't include the govt!)

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I just hope the same thing happen to Cameron that happened to Thatcher, and he takes Osborne with him

What they are basically doing, is ripping this country to pieces with there severe cuts with them

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Tax credits could be seen as 'giving tax back' to those who shouldn't have been paying it. I think it would be better to continue to raise the Personal Allowance and increase the rate at which you pay NI and you draw down tax credits at the same time.

Inheritance tax is an interesting one. Not sure what to think about that. I can see both sides and it's one of those issues you can debate forever.

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It's alright fighting one side of the argument but the following appears to apply

The country will always be in pieces if you allow the same two parties to play ping pong with you. At the same time though, if Labour hadn't made a mess of everything then there needn't be such drastic cuts. Can't have it both ways.

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George Osborne may have to drastically reconsider his cuts to tax credits after a succession of Conservative MPs warned him in the Commons that his measures punished the wrong people and could permanently damage the party’s “reputation for compassion”.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...hey-go-too-far

:p: :rofl: Got to be the funniest thing I've heard yet.

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Whilst this current bunch have no compassion conservatism as an ideology does and always has and my biggest hope is we the British public reclaim our politics from the near factory line plastic career politicians we have now and go back to ordinary local people representing their local area in the commons. There are a few in there who have had some normal life experience but far more that haven't and how can you expect balanced policies from people that have never lived like 80% of the people they represent.

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I've read a number of posts here that support a second chamber but not the current unelected, unaccountable House of Lords.

Please sign the Electoral Reform Society's petition to support an elected second chamber.

Re: Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)
 

Don't all MPs & PMs lie?

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No, just like not all CF'ers are racist, sexist, or xenophobic.

Just because some are, doesn't mean all are...

Re: Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)
 

So which one are you?

if it's not one of them then it's something else.

everybody is something. they're lying if they say they aren't.

Re: Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)
 

You appear to be judging others by your own standards....

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So as predicted the cuts are now going to be moved to other parts of the DWP (although tax credits are the HMRC budget), although its not known where yet as IDS doesnt want to put the cuts where George wants them.

I wonder if that screaming lady on question time would be so concerned for the victims of the redirected cuts or if she only cares about her own family. I expect now the target will be a part of the population who wont make a noise about it.

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George Osborne wants to cut Universal credit l hear.

Re: Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)
 

Where did you hear that, den?

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Here we are Hugh.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...e-workers.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6725166.html

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Thank you.

I think GO has to re-evaluate his options, because what is being suggested is ludicrous.

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Yes l quite agree.

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The change he wants is actually the exact same thing as what he wanted to do with tax credits, except it would be done to universal credit instead of tax credits.

Remember universal credit merges all the benefits together, and what IDS wants is for work to be more rewarding than been unemployed, so basically GO proposed to cut the tax credit equivalent in UC as people wouldnt notice until its too late.

Really GO should just back down and accept the cuts to be missing, he already has said they not needed to reach their deficit targets which must mean they only been done for ideology purposes. If IDS gets his own way then we will likely see these cuts fall on some other part of the DWP.

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Isn't there a danger with universal credit that the disabled and long term ill and terminally ill will be impacted?

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That's already happening to some extent with ESA and now the full PIP rollout over the next 2 to 3 years and sadly l don't expect it to get better anytime soon for any of these groups.

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It's sadly ironic that we seem hell bent on spending vast sums of money keeping people alive for as long as possible even when they clearly want to die, yet at the same time we're prepared to make cuts to the benefits and services many of them desperately need while they are alive... :spin:

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I like the second house being unelected (and unpaid) so are able to reform laws without worrying about getting re-elected. Being unelected means that they can't create law. Many times the Lords have blocked or slowed bad law being made in response to some event that is popular but is not quite what is needed.

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It always seems that this terrible government wants to cut everything in there sights.
They wont cut there expenses or the wages will they.

They do say BIG BEN needs refurbishment, as it is getting old. Wonder where that money is coming from ?

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A large jar full of loose change?

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I've got one of them. I make a point of only putting £1, 50p and 20p coins in.
There's £3.24 in there so far.

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Don't forget MP wage rises are set by an independent body and they awarded pay rises even when requested not to. That's not to say some in power are only there for the power and pay and some do claim expenses more than perhaps they should. (And expenses can be interesting - what would you do if you could claim on a frivolous extra but not on a real expense?)

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ironically this saving osborne is hell bent on making is the same as the foreign aid increase nobody wants.

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If we were using foreign aid to tackle the migration crisis it'd be money well spent.

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Ask, and ye shall receive... ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34167271

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ESA (work-related activity group) is already under threat. Osbourne/IDS wants that group scrapped and previous, and future, qualifiers moved to Jobseekers Allowance with a severe cut in income. :td: