The 5p bag charges...
 

I cannot find a link to this.

Regarding the 5p charge on plastic bags. I hear today that the charge of 5p charge is illegal - has anyone else heard of that

AND NO THIS IS NOT A GO AT THE TORIES. Its the most ludicrous charge going. I went into Ryman's today and was going to be charge for a small bag for two Biros.

Also found out that IF the bag has a logo - ie TESCO on the bag its classed as ADVERTISING and therefore a charge should not be made

I bet that if a shop is losing customers because of it, we already have customers taking home baskets or trollies home they will be arrested for theft. I can see shops challenging this in a court of law

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Oh my god!

5p!

Why didn't you just put the biros in your pocket?

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Its absolutely hilarious to see England getting all het up and confused about charging for carrier bags.

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As the rules for posting in this area of the forum require a link or a member may request the OP to provide one this is just rumour and supposition. :rolleyes:

And why shouldn't you pay for a bag that you patently didn't need?

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Another stupid idea.

Quite irritating that you now end up with a bunch of small change because things that were xx.99p are now zz.04p

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Cash is so last century.
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We've had it up here for a while now and isn't a problem, everyone just brings their own bags when doing things like food shopping.

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As are such useless remarks. Cash will be here for a long while yet.

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Biros!

if in the budget the whole country cheers and has a party when the government make a big announcement about not putting 1p on the price of petrol. I can see why the country is on the brink of rioting over 5p for a bag.

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You don't have to buy a bag.
would the 99p thing fit in your pocket. or at least in your hand till you got to the car?

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Yes our family use cash 99% of the time and that will continue as long as cash is still legal tender.

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I don't see any problem: If you want to go shopping take a bag. I use the bags for life at the local supermarket. No charge and better for the planet.

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We have been buying those bags for life for years and if one breaks we just take it back when we go shopping and they give us a new one.

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I don't understand the issue.

why are people getting so wound up?

if you go shopping and you haven't got a bag, then buy a bag.

Why on earth should bags be free?

In the list of things to get wound up about, this is no. 1,898,877.

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I find it hilarious that all my English friends on FB and people on here are getting so so worked up about bag charges.

Up in Scotland we have had this for what feels like forever now. Its really simple either pay 5p for single use bags or buy 10p 'bags for life' and reuse them. We always take some with us and it took a bit of getting used to remembering them.

But its amazing how much people in England are whinging about it or moaning. Its really not a big deal and its all in aid of helping the environment which is a good a reason as any to just get on with it.

buying a few biros why do you even need a bag?? buying a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk, again carry it. No need for a bag at all.

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https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6c&oe=568C1FFC

I assume this is his source, found it doing the rounds on Facebook. Read it but honestly I can't really give less of a crap about 5p bags. I switched from the likes of Asda and Tesco to Aldi and Lidl a while ago, money wasn't a factor, we just wanted to try alternatives. Personally find Morrisons fresh goods counters to be pretty damn good as well as Lidl's bakery bit.

Anyway the point being, I was paying for bags in Lidl and Aldi anyway :dozey:

If anyone would like to punch a whole through the article then do so. If anyone would like to confirm they have broken the law then also do so. My outcome is the same.

Upon reflecting on my post and assuming it's correct.. then Aldi and Lidl have been doing this for years. Bags for life have a logo on? Sports Direct.. this all seems like a load of crap then.

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Well due to the Tory cuts all his pockets have got holes in them. :D

I don't know anyone who's whingeing about this. Anyway I couldn't care less, we've been carrying our own reusable bags for many years. It's really not that difficult and for those who forget, well 5p isn't likely to break the bank is it.

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Really I thought a financial hole was being helped filled by millions in vat the governments making on the bags

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The thing that annoys me about this carrier bag thing is inconsistent priorities.

over 10 long years!!
£6.70 a bloody year!!

when you got things like bedroom tax at a minimum of £7280 over 10 long years.
£728 a year!
who bloody cares about £6.70?

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Adzi, well done. You have it. I knew it was true.

I am just waiting for some big store to say, we will not charge the 5p. Don't get me wrong but if you pay the 5p the government get money in vat.

I have no objections in 5p for a large bag. And yes, Hugh, l stuck the pens in my pocket ha ha

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So Dave isn't doing it to save the planet then. he's just doing it to raise millions of pounds in VAT?
The man is a deceiving con artist.
Protest against the 5p charge. don't let him get away with treating us like idiots!

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I have 2 collapsible crates in my car, and a fold-able Thermos bag. this solves the problem.

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Unsourced image on the Internet ≠ truth...

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If it really was illegal, do you not think one of the retailers in Wales (who have had the charge for years) would have challenged it?

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Yup. Or Scotland. Or Northern Ireland.


I can find *no source* for this nonsensical claim aside from that Facebook ( :rolleyes: ) image, which itself appears to be a reader's letter or something judging by how it's written and of course the bit at the top that says "HAVE YOUR SAY".


People really need to stop believing every image they see on Facebook etc...

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They'd be the sort of people who drive through farm gates into fields, or worse, because their sat nav told them to... :nutter: :D

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Conservative voters even.

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Known about it for a long long time now. I try to remember to take a bag with me when going out but sometimes if I pop in on a whim I used to get a carrier bag. Don't see why people can't get it into their heads that you DON'T get charged for a bag if you take your own carrier bag into a shop with you.

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Sainsbury's have now introduced better bags for the 5p charge, alongside the existing 10p bags. The new 5p bags will be replaced if they break same as the 10p bags.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shop...stic-bags.html

Personally I think it's better than charging 5p for the same basic bags as Tesco and others seem to still be doing as it should encourage their reuse.

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When Kwik Save was open years ago they used to charge for bags then (well for the better ones), remember as a kid 3 or 5p they were.

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In Scotland anyway the cheap Tesco 5p bags are now thinker like they used to be. Not quite like the Sainsbury ones.

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I blame Maggie

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It's slowed things down at 99p Store, where they used to bundle things into bags.

It's making everyone pay for the few that carelessly discard bags - I though most people used them for lining kitchen bins that are too small for any of the bags you buy on a roll.

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http://m.snopes.com/5p-bag-charge/

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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I'm not bothered about paying 50p or so for plastic bags for supermarket food it's not really a hardship

But why don't retailers start using paper bags like some stores in the USA, 100% recyclable

Ive also not seen any confirmation by stores as to which good causes this money goes to has anyone else ?

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By ops logic, having 'Nike' on a shirt or a pair of trainers or an Armani logo on a pair of jeans should also be classed as advertising.;) ;)

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One thing to remember about reusing bags is that they can become contaminated with some nasty stuff over time, so don't forget to wash them or bin them.

But our local council refuses to accept them in recycled bags as "they clog up our multi million £ waste-sorting machine". So "take them them to your local store and recycle them there".

I always shop with a knapsack with a few bags-for-life inside. I haven't paid for a single 5p bag. And the bags-for-life came out of the recycling bin at the shop entrance. ;)

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I had to buy one bag. I'd gone out for some shopping and it was only as I was paying I realised I had left my carrier bag at home. I just cannot believe that people are so worked up about the charge that they just don't see the logical answer. Use a bag you have in your house and you don't get charged for buying a bag.

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I have always used my shopping trolley

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I dunno whatever happened to the English? Once you ruled the waves now you can't even qualify for a sports tournament you're hosting. The soccer
World Cup has also continued after 1966 in case you hadn't noticed whilst you're all whining about paying 5p for a plastic bag like the rest of the UK.:)

Come on England, you're better than this.

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A very small minority are whining but the vast majority have just accepted it Sir....

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You also get unnecessarily defensive and pernickety about meaningless non-issues :).

Was it Napoleon that said you were a nation of shopkeepers?; he meant shoppers with little expensive plastic bags. Hrrmpph :D!

Come on England!

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Nope just stating the point that the vast majority could not care less about a 5p carrier bag charge...

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:)

You invented the steam engine, a vaccination for smallpox, the electric motor, the bessemer converter, television, penicillin; you are champions of democracy, creativity and civilised culture. You care for your people from cradle to grave; you are an example to others, tenacious, fair-minded and honest. You are the land of hope and glory.

You didn't invent the plastic bag because you were busy doing far more important things.

I'm sorry. I suppose we all have days when some things just seem so daft.

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What sticks in my throat is the way they say the charge is to help the environment. And then the charge is applied to paper bags and bags that are not plastic but biodegradable (starch).

I actually think it was the brainchild of one of the major supermarkets to reduce costs, and picked up by Green lobbyists.

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:tu:

As usual, the media is making far more of this than there is.

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Shouldn't be:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...rged-for-a-bag

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It does if they have a handle (eg Primark bags)

http://www.carrierbagchargewales.gov...luded/?lang=en

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Another difference between the English scheme and the Welsh scheme then.

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Paper bags aren't without their problems and there's still some doubt about which are worse for the environment overall.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ags-which-best

We already re-use all our bags (plastic and paper) in one way or another, including the stronger 'bag for life' versions we started using years ago which we only swap for new when they're falling apart.

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Is that your 'bag for life' user certificate you're proudly displaying in your avatar :D ?

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He's got one but keeps it under wraps



:D

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:rofl:

Aww, we're jus' joshin' Osem :)

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It's had the desired effect in Scotland where pretty much every bag is included in the charge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34575364

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Back from Spain where they have been charging for ages..Seems some don't care and others just use their own. they don't seem that bothered.They are far more into recycling as well.I think we are too far behind with dealing with rubbish and recycling than the EU.

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I think a problem here is that some bags that you pay 5p for are so flimsy that they burst. I go into many corner shops and get charged 5p for a flimsy blue bag, which are so bad, its just not worth it

I have no problem in the 'bag for life' stuff as they are decent bags. My objection is that Tesco, ASDA or Morrisons - they have there logo on that with a 'bar' on. Surely that is FREE advertisement for the store - isn't it.

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It's your choice to shop there and use their bags. Take your own and then you're not doing their corporate advertising? Simples.

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Perhaps, you would like bags made of steel ?

Kill two birds with one stone there !!

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Did you object to using their bags before the charge, given that supermarket bags, whether "normal" or "bag for life", always have the name/logo on them?

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Corner shops shouldn't be charging and I've noticed an increase in quality since charging began

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Some bags being sold are total crap. My corner shop IS charging for plastic bags and they are flimsy black things - horrible

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More fool them, they don't have to if they have few staff nationwide

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And presumably they keep the money and make a bit extra rather than passing it on to the good causes.

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Because someone wrote in to a newspaper saying it was true, and the newspaper printed it.

Really, that explains just about every topic you have ever posted on here.

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If that's your misguided perception then the simple answer is to take your own bag. ;)

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The explanation is that the English tend not to like over-regulation and State intervention whereas people on the left of politics can't get enough of it.

Frankly, the waste management industry should be responsible for the appropriate disposal of rubbish and the Government should leave us alone.

They try to tax everything to regulate our behaviour when they should just butt out and let us lead our lives. They want to tax our drinks, tax sugar and basically penalise us for contravening any 'fad of the day' espoused by the same scientists who told us to stop eating butter and now have had to do a U-turn by admitting it's not bad for you and should never have been banned in the first place.

If we got out of the meddlesome EU and stop listening to the scientists who gave us 'global warming' and 'man made climate change' without the proof to go with it, this country might become a better place.

It's time we came up with British solutions to British problems and stopped pandering to these interfering busybodies and all this shallow thinking that we are becoming alarmingly used to. Hardly anyone seems to challenge the bizarre conclusions and proposed solutions to problems these days.

And if they want me to add just one more rubbish container to take up even more room in my conservatory I will SCREEEEAM like a girl! :mad:

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Define good causes, vat is taking a chunk for instance and keeping camile fjhdfhhfghfdssgjdsfhibdadhhgcf at kids company I'm the manner she has become accustomed.or the like isn't a good cause imo

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So in your "British" world view where global warming is fiction, where we should not recycle rubbish and just bury plastic bags in the ground, where should the waste management industry dispose of all the generated land fill "appropriately"? In Britain's green and pleasant land? Absolutely not! Maybe we could ship it over to the EU?

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A rather more intelligent solution just might be to stop producing plastic bags in the first place.

As for 'man made' climate change, these arguments are all based on a presumption that the carbon we produce is absorbed into the atmosphere. It is not. Over recent centuries, the amount of carbon absorbed into the air has remained within the band of 0.03 to 0.05% of the atmosphere. The rest is absorbed by the vegetation and the oceans. The scientists themselves admit they cannot be certain about the impact of carbon emissions, so it's all hyperbole. Given that the climate activists constantly try to rubbish any views to the contrary without actually addressing the issues raised and try to destroy the careers of those scientists, meterologists, etc who speak out, I reckon they are pretty afraid of being challenged by all this. And the latest is they want to see climate change denial made unlawful!

I wonder how long it will take before people will start to consider properly the ridiculous headlines we have to endure on a range of waste/climate/health issues that we get attacked with day after day in this 24 hour desperate news world! Many of the pronouncements do not stand up to any scrutiny.

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And of course, we should believe those totally unbiased protectors of our environment, the oil and energy companies, who are pluckily standing up to the scientific consensus (97% of Climate Scientists believe that the current Climate Change is being made worse by man-made emissions).

But sod it, it's only our kids and their children who will have to deal with the problem, as we won't be here.....

btw, who is trying to make climate change denial unlawful?

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Why have we got on to climate change? Paying 5p for a plastic bag isn't going to make that sort of change..but it will do something for the horrendous litter problem that we have..I hate them because they kill wildlife,make our streets look disgusting.I hate plastic bags hanging around in the towns trees like some sort of long standing Christmas decoration.In New York they spend so much money and time removing them from the trees in Central park.
Just buy them and re-use them then recycle them at Asda OR even better get one decent re-usable bag and use that until it rots and concentrate on YOUR environment.

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BREAKING NEWS: Plastic bags in England will cost 10p each!

Not really, but look on the bright side, you survived the initial apoplectic response!

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Source?

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I predict a riot.

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Frequently....

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l suspect you will be the only one there old boy.;)

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Hasn't happened yet.

Don't think I'll be taking any racing tips from you old chap.

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That's a shame. as Red Rum is going to win.

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With all proceeds to go to the other home nations to preserve their free prescriptions and/or free higher education.

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I heard he is a dead cert ;) (... I'll get my coat ...)

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A riot needs a minimum of three people or under some statutes two.

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This is why I love my split personality. I can have a riot single-handedly.

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I'm trying to remember when butter was banned OLD BOY?

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Reparations for historic land grabbing and punitive taxation :D ?

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Absolutely right. Just because we weren't born when all of this went down doesn't mean we shouldn't feel guilt for it or pay compensation for it.

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Think of it as paying rental; you could always find somewhere else to live.

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Sigh Gary and Arthur on a day trip to downing street

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That has to be post of the year on here!

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Yeh. I told him to say it last night. he wanted to say day trip to
the park but I told him Downing Street would get the most laughs and win him some friends back.

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this bag issue was stated 2 years ago and all i can say is the lack of plastic blowing about is quite noticeable which has to be a good thing me thinks !

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Paid for the the paltry amounts we receive out of the common tax pot to run our own health and education services. And it saves us money.

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Going up to 10p for a single use plastic bag and it will be rolled out to every shop.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/p...-a3920021.html

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These bags should not have the stores name on it.

I don't want to have to pay to advertise

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Seeing as they manufactured it....(feel free to go buy a brand free version of them if you feel like it).

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Not a expert at law but apparently if they have their name on the bag they should not be charging for it.

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According to what??

What prevents them for charging for it if they have their name on it exactly??

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I often see ASDA bags used in Tesco, Tesco bags in Sainsburys. Bags in Waitrose are gilt with the owners monograms and family crests...

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As l say l am not a expert on these matters Chloe but if their bags have their name on it that is classed as free advertising thus they should not be charging for it.

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Ummm so if I buy a bag I should expect for them not to put the brand on it, because otherwise it is free advertising?

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Simplest way to nullify advertising is to turn the bag inside out.

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Yeah, if the customer is not happy with it anyway.

Den, I think I believe Hugh - you can't possibly be a woman.