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figgyburn

08-10-2015 17:06

Clayton Williams accused of murdering PC Dave Phillips

Just seen that "thing"on bbc news.pictured in the back of a police van driving away from the court.grinning like a cheshire cat.give me a rope for that excuse for a human being.

Chris

08-10-2015 18:24

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I have altered the thread title and deleted one thoroughly inappropriate reply from this thread. Please remember the law severely restricts what you can say about a case once someone is charged with a crime, and comment responsibly.

Hom3r

08-10-2015 20:21

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Emergency worker killers should face a whole life sentence.

rhyds

09-10-2015 10:58

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As with all of these cases, I'll wait for the trial and make my mind up then.

Derek

09-10-2015 11:01

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Assuming the CPS don't blink and accept a plea it will be interesting to see if life means life for the murder of a Police officer as the home sec claimed or if she was talking rubbish again.

Chris

09-10-2015 11:09

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35802753)

Assuming the CPS don't blink and accept a plea it will be interesting to see if life means life for the murder of a Police officer as the home sec claimed or if she was talking rubbish again.

Unless she's followed that up by, at the very least, changing the sentencing guidelines, it's difficult to see how anything she has said could directly affect the outcome of this case ... assuming he is convicted, of course, or pleads guilty.

solitaire

09-10-2015 13:32

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35802753)

Assuming the CPS don't blink and accept a plea it will be interesting to see if life means life for the murder of a Police officer as the home sec claimed or if she was talking rubbish again.

Could be either, but probably the latter.

Derek

09-10-2015 13:42

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35802757)

I automatically assume everything out her mouth is a lie at the very least and can't recall anything further being done after she announced it.

IF he proceeds to trial for murder and not s1 rta I can see 20-25 years being at the top end of any sentence. Guilty pleas will probably reduce that further. :(

mrmistoffelees

09-10-2015 15:27

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35802657)

Emergency worker killers should face a whole life sentence.

Any killer should face a whole life sentence

Osem	09-10-2015 17:38

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A man accused of murdering PC Dave Phillips has accepted his driving caused the officer's death but said he did not intend to kill him.

The 34-year-old father-of-two died after being hit by a pick-up vehicle in Merseyside on Monday.

Clayton Williams, 18, "extended his apologies" to the officer's family, in a statement from his solicitor after a preliminary hearing.

Mr Williams was earlier remanded in custody at Liverpool Crown Court.

He is due in court again on 22 October.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-34488744

I wonder whom he's more sorry for - the victim and family or himself...

Paul	09-10-2015 19:26

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35802657)

Emergency worker killers should face a whole life sentence.

What makes their lives more important ?

It should not matter who the victim was.

TheDaddy

10-10-2015 01:44

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35802845)

What makes their lives more important ?

It should not matter who the victim was.

It doesn't make their lives more important, their job makes them vulnerable and in some peoples opinion any sentence for crimes against them deserve an enhanced sentence like we expect with child abusers/killers. There is also the need to deter criminals from attacking people we expect to protect society. Not sure where I stand myself but I can certainly see the need for whole life sentences needing to be considered at least in the sentencing of police murderers.

Gary L

10-10-2015 09:56

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I don't think we should value lives more than others.

but I do think we should allow the persons address to be published and then people can go around their house and give them a piece of their mind.
that way crime will significantly drop over night. and we'd save a lot of money.

Chris

10-10-2015 11:24

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35802894)

We would also place justice in the hands of the kind of idiots who don't know the difference between a 'paediatrician' and a 'paedophile', leading to incidents like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm

These things are best left in the hands of those who are trained and qualified.

Osem	10-10-2015 11:29

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Maybe someone would turn up at Gary's door and prove what a stupid idea he had.

Sirius

10-10-2015 16:14

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35802753)

Assuming the CPS don't blink and accept a plea it will be interesting to see if life means life for the murder of a Police officer as the home sec claimed or if she was talking rubbish again.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35802791)

Any killer should face a whole life sentence

Agreed

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35802845)

What makes their lives more important ?

It should not matter who the victim was.

Life means life is not a punishment that the libs like to see given out, they much prefer slapped hand means slapped hand. Carry on :rolleyes:

The life sentence given out these days is weak and ineffective, it no longer a deterrent.

https://fullfact.org/factchecks/murd...e_parole-28691

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“The murder of a police officer is a particularly appalling crime” (15 May 2013)

Home Secretary Theresa May has today called for ‘whole-life’ sentences for murdering a police officer.

Currently, under schedule 21 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003, sentencing for the murder of a police or prison officer in the course of duty starts at 30 years before mitigating and aggravating factors are taken into account.

However, once these circumstances are factored in, the minimum sentence can be adjusted to anything, hence a whole-life order can be issued in certain cases if there are strong aggravating reasons for doing so.

If the starting point for police officer murder changes to a whole-life order as the Government intends, it will become the standard for this type of offence. Of course, it’s important to remember that if mitigating circumstances apply, offenders could still be sentenced to less time.

Derek

10-10-2015 16:28

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35802822)

I wonder whom he's more sorry for - the victim and family or himself...

I doubt he has the slightest bit of remorse but his defence agent is explaining the difference between 10 years, out in 5 and life, out in 30 which might be enough to wipe the grin off his face long enough for him to squirm into his court tracksuit.

Osem	10-10-2015 16:37

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I'd hate to be part of the legal system with all the frustrations that must bring at times. How hard is it to feign remorse in order to get a lesser sentence...

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