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Hugh 25-09-2015 23:19
World War III Will Be Less High-Tech Than Anyone Imagines
 
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Last year, the (US) Naval Academy made two distinct changes in how it operates—one that’s a natural progression in cyberwarfare, the other a clear response to how thoroughly we rely on that technology.

“First, they've created a cyberwarfare center and created the first class of midshipmen who will be cybersecurity majors,” cybersecurity and military expert Peter W. Singer recently told me. “Second, they required that every midshipman learn how to do celestial navigation like they did back in the 1700s. We're preparing both for a world of cyberwarfare and, ‘oh my goodness, what if I have to go back to navigating by the stars?’”
What would happen if the next war knocked out our technology? (GPS, smartphones, Internet, etc.)

"Ghost Fleet" is an excellent book, like "Red Storm Rising" updated for the 21st Centurt.

Ignitionnet 25-09-2015 23:33
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Stuff like this is exactly why I'm doing the MSc I am. Seriously serious stuff.

Uncle Peter 26-09-2015 00:00
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35800266)
What would happen if the next war knocked out our technology? (GPS, smartphones, Internet, etc.)
With respect to navigation (not precision munitions) eLORAN. Governments across the world have been bringing systems online over the past few years. Even the US who had originally canned it realised that in the light of jamming attacks on the Korean peninsula by the loons in the North realised that it would be foolish not to have a backup to GPS for, at the very least, maritime safety.

Russ 26-09-2015 05:25
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I also think it will be less high-tech than some people imagine. Just watch the carnage when Facebook goes down for 10 minutes.

Kymmy 26-09-2015 06:11
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Interesting he mentioned Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rsing. Excellent book for its time.

Osem 26-09-2015 08:41
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People would have to communicate with their mouths and not their index fingers.

pip08456 26-09-2015 09:11
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35800267)
Stuff like this is exactly why I'm doing the MSc I am. Seriously serious stuff.
You need an MSc to navigate by the stars???? I can find the pub in the dark!

Osem 26-09-2015 10:29
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I was navigating and mapping using highly accurate astronomical observations and calculations over 30 years ago, using kit like this, star tables and a calculator. In the middle of nowhere with no known landmarks or fancy GPS/laser technology, it's how it was done. How things have changed...

http://www.dehilster.info/geodetic_i...theodolite.php

Ramrod 26-09-2015 20:10
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35800267)
Stuff like this is exactly why I'm doing the MSc I am. Seriously serious stuff.
What is your MSc in?

Ignitionnet 26-09-2015 20:40
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Information Security. Cybersecurity is the apparently 'cool' name for it now though :)

Ramrod 26-09-2015 21:27
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Or "InfoSec", apparently :D

Hugh 26-09-2015 21:38
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Carlos Carboni 26-09-2015 22:27
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:cool:

Royal Holloway has/had a good course on security --commercial that is.

Mr Robot it's a cool series with somewhat realistic hacking....

And the Chinese make most electronics for many makes, what's to stop them putting backdoors on the chips? Take Netis routers for example ( UDP port 53413) ....

Hugh 26-09-2015 23:28
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Strangely enough, that's the basis of the plot of "Ghost Fleet"...

Uncle Peter 26-09-2015 23:53
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And the Chinese make most electronics for many makes, what's to stop them putting backdoors on the chips? Take Netis routers for example ( UDP port 53413) ....
A robust accreditation and assurance process.

Either way the hardware isn't usually the problem. It's the people who design, configure and operate it.

Ignitionnet 27-09-2015 01:20
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Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35800398)
:cool:

Royal Holloway has/had a good course on security --commercial that is.
It is indeed a good course. They are my college :)

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Just as well my course is more up to date than my knowledge of what is cool :)

Carlos Carboni 27-09-2015 08:01
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It is indeed a good course. They are my college :)

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Just as well my course is more up to date than my knowledge of what is cool :)
Indeed. Fred Piper, likes the "Cyber security" word and as a founder, he can do anything he likes. Vodaphone and GCHQ are closely connected with the MSc course/Centre, and they are up to date as much they can be ;)

heero_yuy 27-09-2015 08:59
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A few decent EMP's and the whole world will revert to firing bits of lead at each other.

Hugh 27-09-2015 09:22
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A lot of military 3C systems are hardened against EMP, and various equipment such as the Abrams M1.

Biggest worry is the loss of comms/GPS satellites.

heero_yuy 27-09-2015 09:51
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A lot of military 3C systems are hardened against EMP, and various equipment such as the Abrams M1.
True but there's a lot of stuff that isn't

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Biggest worry is the loss of comms/GPS satellites.
Most of a countries infrastructure would collapse: No electricity, no phones or mobiles, no internet or email. No TV or radio. Most transport paralysed including private cars. Most computers / tablets fried. Gas and water cut off.

Gary L 27-09-2015 10:01
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Most of a countries infrastructure would collapse: No electricity, no phones or mobiles, no internet or email. No TV or radio. Most transport paralysed including private cars. Most computers / tablets fried. Gas and water cut off.
May as well just curl up and die then.

what you supposed to do with yourself when all that's down?

Hugh 27-09-2015 11:02
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What we did 30-40 years ago, when we didn't have that stuff...

Osem 27-09-2015 11:18
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But it's only boring old farts who remember stuff that old... ;)

Gary L 27-09-2015 11:24
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35800448)
What we did 30-40 years ago, when we didn't have that stuff...
That means buying a hoop and a stick.

Hom3r 27-09-2015 11:26
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What would happen if the next war knocked out our technology? (GPS, smartphones, Internet, etc.)
I worked for a company that worked on anti jamming GPS, so the only way to stop Military use of GPS is take out the GPS satellite.

Pierre 27-09-2015 21:27
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I had dealings with the CPNI over the years.

These are the guys thinking about this kind of thing.

Osem 27-09-2015 21:33
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Their website seems to be down due to a cyber attack... :D

TheDaddy 28-09-2015 03:44
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35800432)
Biggest worry is the loss of comms/GPS satellites.
To be fair that is an understandable worry, map reading is such a chore

Hugh 28-09-2015 06:57
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It's more that the military use the GPS for targeting/way finding, and the the comms satellites for, strangely enough, comms.....

TheDaddy 28-09-2015 15:08
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35800558)
It's more that the military use the GPS for targeting/way finding, and the the comms satellites for, strangely enough, comms.....
Yeah course it is, if they'd been scouts instead of wasting their youth smoking and chasing girls this wouldn't be an issue


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