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zoombini 02-09-2015 21:30

Fibre without line rental?
 
Hi, can I get a fibre connection but with no line rental charges?

I don't want a phone, nor do we want the TV, we want to cancel our big kahuna once the contract is up and just have the 152mb fibre connection so we can use a tv dongle & stream our media.

What options do we have with VM?

Ignitionnet 02-09-2015 21:43

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini (Post 35796255)
Hi, can I get a fibre connection but with no line rental charges?

I don't want a phone, nor do we want the TV, we want to cancel our big kahuna once the contract is up and just have the 152mb fibre connection so we can use a tv dongle & stream our media.

What options do we have with VM?

http://store.virginmedia.com/broadba...u_click_bbonly

:)

zoombini 02-09-2015 21:44

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Cheers - just the ticket (I couldn't find it when I looked).

Mind you, it's 3/4 of the price I pay for the big kahuna!
methinks I'll also look elsewhere.

BenMcr 02-09-2015 22:39

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini (Post 35796259)
methinks I'll also look elsewhere.

All other providers will require line rental.

Stephen 03-09-2015 07:28

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Its of course cheaper to take more than one service.

Also Ben is correct any other provider will reuire line rental of around £16,99 with ADSL/Fibre.

Why do you need 152Mb for streaming?

50Mb or 100Mb will easily do that also and remember speeds are doubling later this year.

Chris 03-09-2015 08:15

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35796294)
Its of course cheaper to take more than one service.

Also Ben is correct any other provider will reuire line rental of around £16,99 with ADSL/Fibre.

Why do you need 152Mb for streaming?

50Mb or 100Mb will easily do that also and remember speeds are doubling later this year.

Guess it depends on how many connected devices he has at home and what they are being used for.

qasdfdsaq 03-09-2015 11:13

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35796302)
Guess it depends on how many connected devices he has at home and what they are being used for.

Even then, 50Mbps is enough for at least 4 full-HD streams or two 4K's.

Chris 03-09-2015 11:35

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35796342)
Even then, 50Mbps is enough for at least 4 full-HD streams or two 4K's.

Good point.

Sigh ... wish I had the first hand experience of that ... we're still stuck with a copper line that is only now giving us (almost) 3Mb, after months of work by Openreach tracking down dodgy joints in our very long line.

linwelin 04-09-2015 14:23

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35796342)
Even then, 50Mbps is enough for at least 4 full-HD streams or two 4K's.

Depends if he wants the upstream.

Ignitionnet 04-09-2015 14:31

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35796354)
Good point.

Sigh ... wish I had the first hand experience of that ... we're still stuck with a copper line that is only now giving us (almost) 3Mb, after months of work by Openreach tracking down dodgy joints in our very long line.

Location, location, location.

Not all that long ago I was getting 1.3Mb in a suburb of the UK's 3rd city.

Chris 04-09-2015 15:16

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Indeed.

Our exchange is actually due for subsidised installation of Infinity fibre late next year, but given that we are connected direct to the exchange via 8km of copper it's going to be precious little use to us. Only a few premises within the village where the exchange is located are likely to benefit.

I'm hoping they may at least disconnect our line from the exchange and terminate it at a fibre cabinet in the centre of the village instead - that will reduce our line length by at least a km, maybe a little more.</offtopic>

qasdfdsaq 04-09-2015 15:35

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35796601)
Our exchange is actually due for subsidised installation of Infinity fibre late next year, but given that we are connected direct to the exchange via 8km of copper it's going to be precious little use to us. Only a few premises within the village where the exchange is located are likely to benefit.

My manager's living in the middle of nowhere in rural Scotland and was surprised to get FTTC recently too. New cabs being subsidised in a lot of EO places too.

Quote:

I'm hoping they may at least disconnect our line from the exchange and terminate it at a fibre cabinet in the centre of the village instead - that will reduce our line length by at least a km, maybe a little more.</offtopic>
Possibly. There's a database somewhere that has detailed per-line information including whether or not a BDUK-subsidized EO line rerouting/conversion is planned. Ignition's quoted information from it before so he may have access. I was lucky enough to have my ~2km line direct to the exchange rerouted to a cab 50m away.

Ignitionnet 04-09-2015 16:37

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35796601)
I'm hoping they may at least disconnect our line from the exchange and terminate it at a fibre cabinet in the centre of the village instead - that will reduce our line length by at least a km, maybe a little more.</offtopic>

Sadly it wouldn't help you in any way.

Your line wouldn't be terminated at that cabinet it would go on to the exchange unless you ordered FTTC.

If you ordered FTTC your order would be rejected as you are too far from the cabinet to get a signal over that technology.

If Openreach deployed ADSL / ADSL 2 from cabinet it wouldn't help you either. They have to do things with power masks to avoid drowning out broadband from the exchange.

You wouldn't even get a land line now if your property were built today. If you are getting over 2Mb you won't be a priority, that's the lower limit under the universal service commitment. Your only option for faster is probably satellite.

qasdfdsaq 04-09-2015 20:23

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35796617)
You wouldn't even get a land line now if your property were built today.

What happened to the universal service obligation?

Ignitionnet 04-09-2015 23:22

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35796647)
What happened to the universal service obligation?

Quote:

Where installation of a new line costs £3400 or less, BT sets a standard charge. Where installation will cost over £3400, BT requires the customer to pay the excess costs (plus its standard connection charge).

zoombini 05-09-2015 18:50

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Cheers - having had a think about it yes 50mb may be OK - its going through a switch to 3 thee (adult) kids rooms and they only get 50mb speeds, I'm the only one that's actually fully wired into the router and get 152mb lol

Our plan is to ditch all services except fibre and stream with a dongle all tv services apart from freeview.

Given what just fibre costs IMO doing this may not save us as much as we think.

Chris 05-09-2015 19:24

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35796617)
Sadly it wouldn't help you in any way.

Your line wouldn't be terminated at that cabinet it would go on to the exchange unless you ordered FTTC.

If you ordered FTTC your order would be rejected as you are too far from the cabinet to get a signal over that technology.

If Openreach deployed ADSL / ADSL 2 from cabinet it wouldn't help you either. They have to do things with power masks to avoid drowning out broadband from the exchange.

You wouldn't even get a land line now if your property were built today. If you are getting over 2Mb you won't be a priority, that's the lower limit under the universal service commitment. Your only option for faster is probably satellite.

I can understand why they would refuse to put a line in to a new build 8km from anywhere, but we do have neighbours, and all the developable land around here is within about 200 metres of the 50-pair cable that runs back to the exchange.

I did look at satellite, but usage caps, high latency and high monthly costs are putting me off. To be honest, so long as our 2Mb is stable - and it is, for now - its fast enough for our needs.

Oddly enough our community council newsletter dropped through the door yesterday. They are aware that most people around here are on EO lines and that a little extra campaigning may be required in order to make the most of the Infinity work scheduled for the exchange late next year.

jobbie8 06-09-2015 11:35

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
£30.25 for 50MB, when did that go up?
It was £28 last time I looked, my son pays £26.50 for his.

pip08456 08-09-2015 11:01

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35796617)
Sadly it wouldn't help you in any way.

Your line wouldn't be terminated at that cabinet it would go on to the exchange unless you ordered FTTC. That wouldn't help. Openreach will not change the way anyone is connected. If an EO line now, that's the way it will stay regardless, unless they change their policy which they have no intention of at present.

If you ordered FTTC your order would be rejected as you are too far from the cabinet to get a signal over that technology.

If Openreach deployed ADSL / ADSL 2 from cabinet it wouldn't help you either. They have to do things with power masks to avoid drowning out broadband from the exchange.

You wouldn't even get a land line now if your property were built today. If you are getting over 2Mb you won't be a priority, that's the lower limit under the universal service commitment. Your only option for faster is probably satellite.


zoombini 13-09-2015 19:37

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
I have seen £5 + £16 line rental being offered.
So I'll be having a chat with them when I leave (tv services) which I certainly will be doing come feb.

This amazon fire with kodi on is excellent ;)

thenry 13-09-2015 20:37

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
pricing and terms have been changed on that uswitch deal. details here > http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...b-10-16-a.html

General Maximus 14-09-2015 07:36

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jobbie8 (Post 35796822)
£30.25 for 50MB, when did that go up?
It was £28 last time I looked, my son pays £26.50 for his.

I pay £25 for my 152mbits :erm:

linwelin 14-09-2015 11:03

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35797938)
I pay £25 for my 152mbits :erm:

£25 for only BB ?

General Maximus 14-09-2015 17:41

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
not standalone, we have got phone and tv as well so cumulatively it all comes to a lot more. We went for it a few years ago when 100mbits first came out because they specifically advertised the package as 100mbits (XXL) as only being £25 when taken with bla bla. Obviously there have been a few £1.75 price increases (or whatever it is) on the package since then but it is there or there abouts.

InsaneNutter 15-09-2015 10:44

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
We were on £30 for 100meg (now 152meg) however the price went up £10 within the space of two months. So i guess we're basically paying the standard price according to the Virgin website again.

kandinsky 15-09-2015 17:19

Re: Fibre without line rental?
 
I downgraded from Big Kahuna and 152 mb BB with phone with evening / weekend calls to basic phone and 50mb BB.
I am now paying £19-50 a month for this and only use the phone at the weekends. They wanted £25 for 50 mb BB only. Was cheaper to take the phone as well.

:confused:


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