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Harryn9000 09-08-2015 14:02

Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Alright I'm looking to go modem mode at some point as fed up of superhub issues around WiFi and few other things so I'm just looking for a router for about £50 to do what I need I've seen a few that would do my needs netgear,home hub Linksys and belkin but wasn't sure

qasdfdsaq 09-08-2015 15:05

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-router/

adduxi 09-08-2015 16:29

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Nice review for such a low cost router, only £79 on Amazon to boot !

Harryn9000 09-08-2015 17:19

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
80 is too much for me tho

pip08456 09-08-2015 18:05

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
How about THIS then?

It would help if you told us your budget.

Oooops I see you already have.

Harryn9000 09-08-2015 18:22

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35792703)
How about THIS then?

It would help if you told us your budget.

Oooops I see you already have.

I'm looking at that one or a belkin ac1200 for 28

pip08456 09-08-2015 18:40

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Harryn9000 (Post 35792705)
I'm looking at that one or a belkin ac1200 for 28

I've had 2 Belkins in the past and didn't have a problem with either. Con't comment on that one though.

Harryn9000 09-08-2015 19:23

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
I'm just not sure with some of the reviews

thenry 09-08-2015 21:23

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Sainsburys have Belkins on offer...

http://postimg.org/image/a09hpjhjf/full/

qasdfdsaq 10-08-2015 15:11

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adduxi (Post 35792692)
Nice review for such a low cost router, only £79 on Amazon to boot !

There's a cheaper version for £50.

Harryn9000 10-08-2015 21:25

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35792820)
There's a cheaper version for £50.

I looked at cheaper one can't decided between tp link c5 , or belkin ac1200 both exactly what I need

pip08456 10-08-2015 21:39

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Personally, I'd go for the C5 and put DD-WRT on it.

The choice is yours though.

Eeeps 10-08-2015 21:51

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35792907)
Personally, I'd go for the C5 and put DD-WRT on it.

The choice is yours though.

I have a stock C7 that works very well. Looked at DD-WRT but AFAIK it doesn't utilise the hardware NAT.

Harryn9000 10-08-2015 22:11

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35792907)
Personally, I'd go for the C5 and put DD-WRT on it.

The choice is yours though.

Last time I alter firmware on anything I brick it but I'll look into it

pip08456 10-08-2015 22:31

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
You don't need to change the firmware, I just like the advanced settings available with dd-wrt.

It was a purely personal point of view.

daemon 13-08-2015 17:19

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Hi,

For under £50 on Amazon you can pick-up a Netgear WNR2000-200UKS N300 router.

It is easy to setup and prompts when firmware updates are available and can download and install those updates from within the web-based administration pages.

thenry 13-08-2015 17:24

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Not worth £40 considering what is on offer for a little more.

Harryn9000 13-08-2015 18:11

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
i can get tp link c2 that has ac for less than £50

Carlos Carboni 13-08-2015 18:45

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35792907)
Personally, I'd go for the C5 and put DD-WRT on it.

The choice is yours though.

If the c5 has 3 aerials, then it is the identical hardware as c7. I can post the instructions how to flash it to make it c7. Note that thec5 v2 is not the same as c7

qasdfdsaq 14-08-2015 08:37

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35793392)
Not worth £40 considering what is on offer for a little more.

Not worth £40 considering you can get a router with identical specs for £5

thenry 14-08-2015 09:47

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/08/9.gif GET THAT 615 OUT!!!! https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/10.gif

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 16:41

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35793465)

Be not good to me lol I need gigabit LAN as a minimum on 152mb

thenry 14-08-2015 16:46

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-router/

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-cheap-router/

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 17:07

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Henry I looked at them other day mate

thenry 14-08-2015 17:40

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Have you brought something yet or decided what to go for?

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 18:34

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Ain't got money to yet mate I'm still trying to get the best i can for the money so I'm looking on quite a few sites

thenry 14-08-2015 19:08

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
What are your feature/function requirement? simultaneous bands, ac, usb 2.0/3.0, gigabit, ability to run third party firmware, antennas internal/external, lights... ?

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 19:24

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Similar to what superhub 2 has mate ac ain't important as most things on network are still n
And not cause problems for my Xbox which is happening at present. And must be good for future

thenry 14-08-2015 19:43

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
future proofing will cost you extra. will something solid but basic do you? gigabit ports, simultaneous bands at any specific link rate? usb port(s)?

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 19:46

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Gigabit ports and dual band are for certain

I'm open to anything that give me a bit of future prove like ac, or ip v6 that what I'm looking at and have seen a few for my budget

thenry 14-08-2015 19:50

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
What have you shortlisted already?

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 20:21

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(1) http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CFEBQI...ing=UTF8&psc=1

(2) http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-C2-W...582071&sr=1-34

(3) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-EA27...linksys+ea3500

(4) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cisco-Linksy...=linksys+e4200

thenry 14-08-2015 21:08

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Out of that lot number 1 and only number 1. Remove 2, 3 & 4. I'll have a look round in a little while.

Harryn9000 14-08-2015 22:01

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35793568)
Out of that lot number 1 and only number 1. Remove 2, 3 & 4. I'll have a look round in a little while.

I'd agree with u as I say I was open to best i can get for money

thenry 14-08-2015 22:52

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
General Linksys hasn't weighed in here yet https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/08/8.gif

General Maximus 15-08-2015 17:02

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
I was going to intervene earlier on in the week but as soon as I saw everyone flapping about TP Link and Belkin I decided to stay out of it.

If I was going to spend £50 on a router which the op has intimated then I would buy this one. If I was looking to buy a new router I would realistically expect to pay ~£80 for something decent and would buy this one and if I was starting out from scratch with a new pc and wanted top of the range bees knees then I would have this

Tbh, my pc was new last year along with a lovely new 3D and some other bits and as I extended the wired network around the house I did buy two new routers but for wired and not wireless. As we replace our mobile phones between now and xmas and maybe get other wireless devices I am going to seriously be looking at the last router I just linked to because it looks kick ass.

I am going to forgo my Linksys speech because it is teatime and I am starving and summarise it all by saying you pay for what you get. I have always had Linksys routers and not had a single problem with any of them and I shall continue to keep buying them. It is all about brand loyalty and a manufacturer that cares about what they make and is passionate about the service they provide.

thenry 15-08-2015 18:18

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
The EA6300 a no go then? It's got to be better than the similarly priced EA2700?

General Maximus 15-08-2015 21:30

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
sure, why not? He isn't going to go for it anyway. Thanks for pointing it out though, it is going to be my new favourite router recommendation for everyone. Can't go wrong with an AC Linksys router for £50.

Ignitionnet 15-08-2015 22:45

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
My TP-Link Archer C7 is getting on my nerves as far as WiFi performance goes. I thought a firmware upgrade had resolved the grief, however it appears to simply not deliver.

Think I'll just spunk out on a top of the line piece of kit and be done with it now. Netgear R8000 should work.

Harryn9000 16-08-2015 00:10

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35793656)
sure, why not? He isn't going to go for it anyway. Thanks for pointing it out though, it is going to be my new favourite router recommendation for everyone. Can't go wrong with an AC Linksys router for £50.

I'm actually tempted to get it mate it actually what I'm looking for on my budget just depends if it stays around that when I get paid in 2 weeks time

Ignitionnet 16-08-2015 11:15

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
On the higher end just wondering if anyone had thoughts on these three?

D-Link DIR-890L/R AC3200 Ultra Wi-Fi Router
NETGEAR R8000 Nighthawk X6 Tri-Band WiFi Router
ASUS RT-AC3200 Tri-Band Wireless Gigabit Router

General Maximus 16-08-2015 16:06

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35793699)
On the higher end just wondering if anyone had thoughts on these three?

D-Link DIR-890L/R AC3200 Ultra Wi-Fi Router - looks like a replicator from Stargate SG1

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/08/9.jpg




NETGEAR R8000 Nighthawk X6 Tri-Band WiFi Router - looks like one of the nanobots the Doctor developed in Star Trek Voyager to attack species 8472

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/10.jpg




ASUS RT-AC3200 Tri-Band Wireless Gigabit Router - looks like the router is trying to assimilate the house with Borg assimilation tubules

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/11.jpg



Quote:

Originally Posted by Harryn9000 (Post 35793667)
I'm actually tempted to get it mate it actually what I'm looking for on my budget just depends if it stays around that when I get paid in 2 weeks time

I hope so for your sake. I love it when you can get great stuff which doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Everyone loves to take the **** out of me for being a Linksys fan boy but that is because I started out 15 years ago with a Linksys/Cisco router which was great at the time and I never looked back. As technology has moved on over the last 15 years I updated my routers to keep up with the wireless and wan to lan throughput as I have always been on VM's highest tier. I have always had Linksys routers and each one has worked flawlessly and I have never had any dodgy lockups and needed to reboot. I have got a semi-demanding network in the house and I stream an awful lot of stuff between two nas servers and the tvs and we stream a lot of youtube content to the tv downstairs. I have got a networked laser printer in one room, Sky boxes in other rooms where we watch a lot of on demand stuff and that is without all the wireless from the tablets and phones. When you do a lot of stuff which all revolves potentially one device (your main router) then you want something which has great wireless, great performance, great reliability and you know it isn't going to let you down.
Each one of my Linksys routers has ticked those boxes over the years and until they do something to screw it up I'll continue buying Linksys routers out of brand loyalty. I see too many people come on this forum complaining about wireless speed, wireless range, wan to lan throughput, routers locking up and loads of other stuff (way too many dns issues), all of which can and could be avoided if they just brought a decent router.
The EA6300 does about 800mbits want to lan and then you have got ac wireless as well. I think it will be a perfectly solid router for you with ample future proofing.

I have dug out my trusty network diagram so you can see how important it is to have something which you can rely on and that you know is going to work:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/12.jpg


I feel like a right spoon, having just looked at my diagram I have noticed that I have got a 6300 myself. It is setup as a switch and wireless access point atm. I bought it last summer because I needed to use it as a print server because the laser printer I had at the time was usb only but it has since been replaced with a proper network printer. Mine was £75 when I bought it in May last year so I think £50 is a very reasonable price for something which is very very good.

thenry 16-08-2015 16:27

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
not me. I like the fact theres a Linksys head here :cool:

qasdfdsaq 16-08-2015 17:20

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35793568)
Out of that lot number 1 and only number 1. Remove 2, 3 & 4. I'll have a look round in a little while.

Agree

---------- Post added at 18:17 ---------- Previous post was at 18:16 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35793662)
My TP-Link Archer C7 is getting on my nerves as far as WiFi performance goes. I thought a firmware upgrade had resolved the grief, however it appears to simply not deliver.

Interesting. Is that performance as in throughput or performance as in range or performance as in reliability? All the reviews I've seen show the "performance" to be above average if not exceptional.

---------- Post added at 18:20 ---------- Previous post was at 18:17 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35793736)
not me. I like the fact theres a Linksys head here :cool:

I have no problem with Gen or Linksys, but I'm also not one for brand loyalty. In other words nomatter how much good stuff a company has produced in the past if someone else provides something that is objectively better for less money I'll be over in a microsecond.

Incidentally my router drawer contains three Linksys models, two D-Link models, two Netgear models and three TP-Link models. And a smattering HomeHubs and Superhubs.

General Maximus 16-08-2015 19:13

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35793750)
I have no problem with Gen or Linksys

What about


Harryn9000 16-08-2015 22:31

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35793728)
D-Link DIR-890L/R AC3200 Ultra Wi-Fi Router - looks like a replicator from Stargate SG1

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/08/9.jpg




NETGEAR R8000 Nighthawk X6 Tri-Band WiFi Router - looks like one of the nanobots the Doctor developed in Star Trek Voyager to attack species 8472

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/10.jpg




ASUS RT-AC3200 Tri-Band Wireless Gigabit Router - looks like the router is trying to assimilate the house with Borg assimilation tubules

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/11.jpg





I hope so for your sake. I love it when you can get great stuff which doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Everyone loves to take the **** out of me for being a Linksys fan boy but that is because I started out 15 years ago with a Linksys/Cisco router which was great at the time and I never looked back. As technology has moved on over the last 15 years I updated my routers to keep up with the wireless and wan to lan throughput as I have always been on VM's highest tier. I have always had Linksys routers and each one has worked flawlessly and I have never had any dodgy lockups and needed to reboot. I have got a semi-demanding network in the house and I stream an awful lot of stuff between two nas servers and the tvs and we stream a lot of youtube content to the tv downstairs. I have got a networked laser printer in one room, Sky boxes in other rooms where we watch a lot of on demand stuff and that is without all the wireless from the tablets and phones. When you do a lot of stuff which all revolves potentially one device (your main router) then you want something which has great wireless, great performance, great reliability and you know it isn't going to let you down.
Each one of my Linksys routers has ticked those boxes over the years and until they do something to screw it up I'll continue buying Linksys routers out of brand loyalty. I see too many people come on this forum complaining about wireless speed, wireless range, wan to lan throughput, routers locking up and loads of other stuff (way too many dns issues), all of which can and could be avoided if they just brought a decent router.
The EA6300 does about 800mbits want to lan and then you have got ac wireless as well. I think it will be a perfectly solid router for you with ample future proofing.

I have dug out my trusty network diagram so you can see how important it is to have something which you can rely on and that you know is going to work:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/12.jpg


I feel like a right spoon, having just looked at my diagram I have noticed that I have got a 6300 myself. It is setup as a switch and wireless access point atm. I bought it last summer because I needed to use it as a print server because the laser printer I had at the time was usb only but it has since been replaced with a proper network printer. Mine was £75 when I bought it in May last year so I think £50 is a very reasonable price for something which is very very good.

Just don't want to waste my money and not work like I need it to I just need to get ac adapter for my desktop but I'll wait for that thanks for your help much appreciated it

Carlos Carboni 17-08-2015 06:03

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
I have a large ground to cover 150m x100m, every room has been cat-6a wired, one archer c7 running the show another 2 acting as APs + the superhub 2ac acting as a switch/AP (all spread around). I have 8 wired-servers (Ubuntu/windows), 6 laptops, 6 phones (wife, kids and their girlfriends) running with no hitch. I can acestream HD over 5G with no buffering.
I can get these results on 5G

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/10.png

and on 2.4G

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/11.png

and wired

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/08/12.png

I tried an ASUS 68U, a solid performer but I got 3 C7's doing a better job for less money than the ASUS.

I have no brand loyalty... I am curious to hear what problems you have wth the C7.

General Maximus 17-08-2015 16:46

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35793802)
I have no brand loyalty... I am curious to hear what problems you have wth the C7.

I don't know whether that was meant for me or Igni but I generally have a phobia about being cheap. You can tell me something is the best thing in the whole world and kicks ass over it's rivals but if you then tell me it is half the price, I won't have it. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for and I appreciate that everyone has a budget but the way I look at it is that my main router arguably gets used more that anything else in my house so on the rare occasion that it gets replaced, I want it replaced with something very very good which I know is going to work and I know I am not going to have any problems with given how much our lives are going to depend on it (plus all the other reasons I mentioned above).

Carlos Carboni 17-08-2015 18:10

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35793926)
I don't know whether that was meant for me or Igni but I generally have a phobia about being cheap. You can tell me something is the best thing in the whole world and kicks ass over it's rivals but if you then tell me it is half the price, I won't have it. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for and I appreciate that everyone has a budget but the way I look at it is that my main router arguably gets used more that anything else in my house so on the rare occasion that it gets replaced, I want it replaced with something very very good which I know is going to work and I know I am not going to have any problems with given how much our lives are going to depend on it (plus all the other reasons I mentioned above).

I see your point but I bought the C7 on the grounds of the tests and the benchmarks. Also, it happened to find it dead cheap at Argos of all places. The OP poster said his budget was 50, but now the price of c7 is circa of 80 quid so...

The question was for igni's c7....

Also I am puzzled about this post of yours. Don't you mean

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...jpg?download=1

General Maximus 17-08-2015 19:26

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
nope, I was winding Qas up, he has a thing for Cisco for some reason and I love to tease him about it.

Ignitionnet 17-08-2015 21:35

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35793926)
I don't know whether that was meant for me or Igni but I generally have a phobia about being cheap.

He says while seeding 31 torrents. ;)

My C7's WiFi has never been quite right. Range has always been disappointing, speeds have always been disappointing.

I don't have a datacentre at home, I don't even have a NAS just a single Microserver, we just have the basics so don't need anything special, but two 5GHz bands would be useful so that I can dedicate one to wireless bridge duty.

thenry 17-08-2015 22:01

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Could you possibly have a dud?

Eeeps 17-08-2015 22:17

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35794014)
My C7's WiFi has never been quite right. Range has always been disappointing, speeds have always been disappointing.

Which hardware version do you have Igni? The only problem I've seen with my v2 C7 was on the 5GHz band when placed right next to an active WiiU.

I find the 5Ghz range really quite good and all of our 5Ghz capable devices are now on that band.

thenry 22-08-2015 16:08

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
theres 1 left OP

Mr K 22-08-2015 16:17

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35794724)
theres 1 left OP

You're not the seller are you thenry ? ;)

thenry 22-08-2015 16:56

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
no. the op is after one.

qasdfdsaq 26-08-2015 11:37

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeeps (Post 35794027)
The only problem I've seen with my v2 C7

Hmm good point, the wireless hardware was changed between the V1 and the V2

Ignitionnet 26-08-2015 14:45

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeeps (Post 35794027)
Which hardware version do you have Igni? The only problem I've seen with my v2 C7 was on the 5GHz band when placed right next to an active WiiU.

I find the 5Ghz range really quite good and all of our 5Ghz capable devices are now on that band.

It's a version 2.

Maybe my expectations of WiFi range are unrealistic.

I am on the floor directly above the router, this is the current 5GHz performance:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/08/2.png

Kushan 26-08-2015 21:49

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
I think the performance of either frequency also depends on the material it's passing through?

Ignitionnet 02-09-2015 16:00

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
From the sublime to the ridiculous.

http://www.cnet.com/uk/products/asus-rt-ac5300u-router/

qasdfdsaq 03-09-2015 10:45

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35796171)

Didn't you say you actually wanted something with dual-radio 5Ghz? And that unlike most consumers you'd actually know how/why to use it?

Still, the claim of 1000Mbps on the 2.4Ghz band... Ermm...

... Given most 802.11AC client devices (including top-of-the-range laptops) only go are dual-stream and 866Mbps or less, MU-MIMO is the only way these could be of any benefit and that's notoriously hard to implement correctly.

Kushan 03-09-2015 11:21

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35796331)
Didn't you say you actually wanted something with dual-radio 5Ghz? And that unlike most consumers you'd actually know how/why to use it?

Still, the claim of 1000Mbps on the 2.4Ghz band... Ermm...

... Given most 802.11AC client devices (including top-of-the-range laptops) only go are dual-stream and 866Mbps or less, MU-MIMO is the only way these could be of any benefit and that's notoriously hard to implement correctly.

If anyone can do it, Asus can. They've built a decent little reputation for themselves and open-sourcing their firmware is an instant win for me.

qasdfdsaq 03-09-2015 11:32

Re: Routers for modem mode on a budget
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35796347)
If anyone can do it, Asus can. They've built a decent little reputation for themselves and open-sourcing their firmware is an instant win for me.

Asus has very little control over the behaviour of a finished wireless chip. They don't design the hardware or the drivers. And if the hardware designers themselves and the people who write the drives and firmware can't do it, and neither Cisco or Juniper or the other big enterprise vendors can't do it, I don't hold out much hope for Asus.


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