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lemarsh 24-07-2015 12:20

Upload Limit
 
Is there any restriction on the amount of Data I can upload?

On the 152meg d/l 10meg upload speed - but need to transfer every other week around a 7gig file to BTSports (all legitimate!)

Will Virgin start moaning and restricting my speed?

RobboEdin 24-07-2015 12:46

Re: Upload Limit
 
Virgin Media do manage their upload capacity.

Information can be found here:

http://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-ma...or-higher.html

Kushan 24-07-2015 13:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35790257)
Virgin Media do manage their upload capacity.

Information can be found here:

http://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-ma...or-higher.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemarsh (Post 35790255)
Is there any restriction on the amount of Data I can upload?

On the 152meg d/l 10meg upload speed - but need to transfer every other week around a 7gig file to BTSports (all legitimate!)

Will Virgin start moaning and restricting my speed?

To be clear, there is no limit to the amount you can upload per se, however when you upload above certain amounts in a certain time duration, your maximum upload speed is throttled temporarily. In other words, if time is a critical factor then you might have to be careful as your upload speed will be restricted after a couple of GB in a short period. However if this isn't a problem, then you can upload however much you want.

TL;DR - Yes there is a restriction but it'll just take longer.

lemarsh 24-07-2015 14:01

Re: Upload Limit
 
thanks guys - that's not to bad. The reduced speed is probably better than most get anyway!

There is a time limit - but if BT don't like it, then can provide me with a dedicated line quick enough!

qasdfdsaq 24-07-2015 16:54

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Certainly not better than what I get :angel:

AbyssUnderground 29-07-2015 13:10

Re: Upload Limit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lemarsh (Post 35790267)
thanks guys - that's not to bad. The reduced speed is probably better than most get anyway!

There is a time limit - but if BT don't like it, then can provide me with a dedicated line quick enough!

On BT (FTTC) I've maxed out my upload and download for weeks at a time without any problems :)

Ignitionnet 29-07-2015 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground (Post 35790922)
On BT (FTTC) I've maxed out my upload and download for weeks at a time without any problems :)

Many congratulations. :)

EDIT: I should explain that. The grapevine informs me that a few operators are taking a look at people either running cloud computing from home, running busy servers from home, or running things like Majestic-12, very high bandwidth usage distributed computing, and clocking up a ton of bandwidth unattended.

BT Retail pay a lot of money per Mbps and their average punter uses just a few hundred kilobits per second at peak time. People maxing their download for weeks on end are very expensive.

General Maximus 30-07-2015 00:05

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keep us updated on what happens. Depending as to what extent it is happening, it will be interesting to see how severely they deal with it. Will they send letters to the "minority" of customers asking them to reduce usage or will they copy VM and impose some sort of upload limit claiming that it won't really matter because the only people who will be affected will be the ones who upload 24/7.

Ignitionnet 30-07-2015 00:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35791078)
keep us updated on what happens. Depending as to what extent it is happening, it will be interesting to see how severely they deal with it. Will they send letters to the "minority" of customers asking them to reduce usage or will they copy VM and impose some sort of upload limit claiming that it won't really matter because the only people who will be affected will be the ones who upload 24/7.

None of the others really have issues with uploading all the time. Download is where they'll suffer. The amount of applications you can use to download on superfast broadband flat-out for weeks on end is very limited so targeting those wouldn't be especially bothersome to most.

qasdfdsaq 30-07-2015 12:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35791086)
The amount of applications you can use to download on superfast broadband flat-out for weeks on end is very limited

/dev/null

Ignitionnet 30-07-2015 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35791133)
/dev/null

I actually read a forum post elsewhere by some cretin who was doing pretty much that. He appears to measure his penis size by how much data he consumes.

AbyssUnderground 30-07-2015 13:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35790937)
Many congratulations. :)

EDIT: I should explain that. The grapevine informs me that a few operators are taking a look at people either running cloud computing from home, running busy servers from home, or running things like Majestic-12, very high bandwidth usage distributed computing, and clocking up a ton of bandwidth unattended.

BT Retail pay a lot of money per Mbps and their average punter uses just a few hundred kilobits per second at peak time. People maxing their download for weeks on end are very expensive.

If they can't sustain the speed for the price, don't offer it :) Simples. It's the same argument I will continue to have with any ISP that throttles because the user is downloading too much. BT haven't had a problem since their infrastructure was built to cope.

I actually did 10TB down and ~700GB up that particular month, downloading a backup of the file archive from my website (10TB then, now 24TB in size I should add, but I don't have the disk space at home for that any more). I typically average less than 500GB or so per month.

qasdfdsaq 30-07-2015 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35791136)
I actually read a forum post elsewhere by some cretin who was doing pretty much that. He appears to measure his penis size by how much data he consumes.

Come to think of it, I have in the past gotten a hacker's connection cut off by flooding him with unsolicited traffic that shot him over his AUP by a few terabytes.

Ignitionnet 30-07-2015 14:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground (Post 35791141)
If they can't sustain the speed for the price, don't offer it :) Simples. It's the same argument I will continue to have with any ISP that throttles because the user is downloading too much. BT haven't had a problem since their infrastructure was built to cope.

No ISP can sustain that level of usage if too many customers do it. The services are cheap because they are oversubscribed.

BT do actually have problems, incidentally, and their infrastructure wasn't built to cope. Earlier this year they had 15% of their network running outside of planned levels :)

I have had 3 sets of capacity issues with my FTTC since last year, one at a BT metro node, one on an SVLAN running from this exchange, and one due to congestion at BT's 21CN core sites.

If every ISP had to sell only what they could guarantee we'd all be paying what we are now for 500k - 1Mb.

I know what you're saying but it's a completely unrealistic argument.

qasdfdsaq 30-07-2015 15:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35791159)
If every ISP had to sell only what they could guarantee we'd all be paying what we are now for 500k - 1Mb.

Are you implying VM is running with contention ratios up to 300:1 now?

Ignitionnet 30-07-2015 15:29

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I'm saying ISPs allocate, at the high end, 1Mb/s per customer, and half that or less at the low end.

Nothing about contention ratios.

horseman 30-07-2015 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35791181)
I'm saying ISPs allocate, at the high end, 1Mb/s per customer, and half that or less at the low end.

Nothing about contention ratios.

I think your comment about penis's pricked his thought patterns..... and quite understandably has taken it personally! :(

qasdfdsaq 30-07-2015 15:39

Re: Upload Limit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35791181)
I'm saying ISPs allocate, at the high end, 1Mb/s per customer, and half that or less at the low end.

Nothing about contention ratios.

Well 1Mbps allocation per 152Mbps customer gives a contention ratio.

Still, a lot better than the 64k-128k per customer major ISPs were allocating per customer ten years ago.

8-16x increase in design capacity with a 10-20x increase in speed isn't too bad.

---------- Post added at 14:39 ---------- Previous post was at 14:39 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseman (Post 35791187)
I think your comment about penis's pricked his thought patterns..... and quite understandably has taken it personally! :(

:sleep:

Leave my penis out of this.

Chrysalis 30-07-2015 18:32

Re: Upload Limit
 
I see it as a give and take situation.

A isp gets benefits for been able to advertise unlimited usage 24/7 with no slowdowns, some isps do just that.

Obviously the downside of making those claims is of course they will have heavy users on their networks, and my opinion is those isp's have to eat the cost or change what they offering. The odd heavy user will lose money, but thats made up by the many users who have a connection idle or close to idle the vast majority of the time.

How high a contention ratio needs to be for it to be noticeable is obviously an ever changing figure and probably varies from one location to the next, but it is interesting to see from ignition's figures an estimated level of current contention ratio levels.

I cant help feel tho BT's recent network issues are timed to when they started spending silly money on football rights, so it wouldnt surprise me if there was budget cuts to help pay for those rights.

AbyssUnderground 04-08-2015 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35791159)
No ISP can sustain that level of usage if too many customers do it. The services are cheap because they are oversubscribed.

BT do actually have problems, incidentally, and their infrastructure wasn't built to cope. Earlier this year they had 15% of their network running outside of planned levels :)

I have had 3 sets of capacity issues with my FTTC since last year, one at a BT metro node, one on an SVLAN running from this exchange, and one due to congestion at BT's 21CN core sites.

If every ISP had to sell only what they could guarantee we'd all be paying what we are now for 500k - 1Mb.

I know what you're saying but it's a completely unrealistic argument.

What I meant by built to cope was that it was built to cope with a number of users going made with the rest not. That's why I've always got full speed out of my connection bar the odd time when a network issue has existed and it's been pitifully slow.


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