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hmm just got an email from Virgin Media:

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Great so a £3 increase. So much for the UK having zero inflation rate :(

Even more annoying:

Thanks muchly but I don't want sport channels. This is not bigger better entertainment :mad:

Can somebody please tell all of the TV distribution companies, Virgin, BT, Sky or whoever has excessively deep pockets that I don't have those deep pockets. I don't in any way want to be seen to be assisting the funding of the overpaid prima donnas that call them selves footballers or whatever.

Sports channels are not an inducement to everyone to get digital TV subscriptions. If we want such premium channels they should be an add on, so we don't all fund the cost. :rant:

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Yes, we non-sports fanatics seem to be ignored altogether!

Where is Sky Atlantic? Grrr!

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I so agree with you. I don't want to watch football. I only thing I really watch is the Tour de France. I would like to watch all the F1 races BUT that means paying for all the Sky Sports Channels.

I thought of mentioning Sky Atlantic so I also agree with Old Boy.

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The other side of the coin, with a possible solution.

I love my football, for 9/10 months a year its 90% of what I watch. Of the 230 channels on the Big Kahuna package (no sports) there are about 224 that I never watch. So in many respects, I'm helping to subsidize your habit!

You may wish to look at the deal from a large satellite broadcaster which offers many hundreds of channels, including Atlantic, plus box sets and all in HD. At the moment £18pm - which is half price for 12 months. Keep your BB & phone with VM if you wish but if enough non-football fans take up the offer, VM may just decide to offer something similar. Alternatively, you can continue to sub my football habit and I'll continue to sub the 224 channels I never watch for you guys.

Just a thought.

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Ouch. A few questions that spring to mind?

Since BT Sport became part of the XL package, I wonder how many people moved to Virgin or upgraded their existing package to take advantage?

How many people with the XL package regularly tune into any of the BT Sport channels?

What proportion of people with the XL package also subscribe to Sky Sports?

I'm assuming that the answer to all these must be 'quite a lot' as I doubt Virgin would take the commercial risk of adding BT Sport Europe to the XL package and increasing it by £3 to a package if they didn't think it was going to pay off.

I guess the flip side is, there is at least £3 worth of other content I'm paying for that I wouldn't watch.

Regardless, two Virgin controlled price rises in a year is quite cheeky. I just hope there is some investment in the woefully lacked VOD library as a sweetener for non-sports fans.

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But the BT sports channels are Premium channels, which by definition are add on, extra cost channels.

Everyone only watches a small proportion of the regular channels; that's just the way it is. Comparing Premium channels to non-premium channels is like comparing Apples to Oranges.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. We've all been offered a package and we make a decision to accept the offer, or not - freedom of choice. I don't want to watch the so-called 'Female skewed' channels or reality channels. Its no odds to me why they are there or not there - they just are. I either accept the package or I don't.

I've made the point that there are alternatives. People switch their suppliers of telephone, gas, electricity, insurance etc. all the time. 'Customer Loyalty' is marketing-speak for a collection of mugs. If anybody thinks that half a dozen people complaining on a forum is going to suddenly make VM 'see the light', I've got some bad news for them (on top of the £3PM increase).

What will make suppliers take notice is the kind of thing that's happened to Tesco over the last few years - when people walk away and start to do business elsewhere.

I sincerely hope I haven't upset anyone by my comments, its not my intention - just my opinion, whilst there's still a bit of free speech left.

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I'd agree with you on the point you've raised as these days loyalty counts for nothing and you've got to vote with your feet/wallet and get the best deal for your needs.

I've recently done exactly that and switched my TV to Sky and couldn't be happier as I've got a great deal for my needs. :)

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As I said in the other thread, if this price rise happens, I'm cancelling.

Two price rises within a year is disgusting.

And I'll probably switch my broadband too. Would be nice to watch netflix or iplayer which doesn't buffer.

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But you could just subscribe to your premium and thus extra fee sports channels, but pay for the really basic M TV package without having to have the majority of this 224 channels. On the other hand it seems I don't get a choice I'm paying extra for the channels I do want so I can get the unwanted bonus BT sports as a benefit for paying an extra £3.

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Seems your not the only one with those opinions

http://www.seenit.co.uk/how-virgin-m...up-its-prices/

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for the 100th billion time sky wont let anyone have it and it stay that way and still most over rated channel ever

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Its not just BT Sport Europe though. There are two other HD channels coming as well and probably more.

£3 is a small amout compared to what BT and Sky customers have had to pay, so chances are yes a few people will cancel but VM may ultimately get more customers signing up.

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yes but that's 3 price rises in a year again February then June sky sports one and now this and it getting common now :(

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Yes and no. If I did that, I wouldn't get HD or 152MB BB. If you add the cost of those back in, I'm better off with the package. Pretty much decided to go BT + Sky when my contract expires in 5 weeks unless something dramatic happens with VM's pricing. It will mean a considerable drop in BB speed but I'll have every channel I want and be saving a chunk of money, and with 2 boxes I'll be able to record 4 programs at once. I appreciate that this option is not available to everyone and that I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where there is reasonable choice. Maybe you don't have that choice but my suggestion is that if you do have a choice, then exercise it - if enough people do, VM will get the message.

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Not really VMs doing. Sky and BT caused them.

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What about the £4.50 rise in February or are you going to blame that on somebody else. Inflation busting rise in any bodies book.:(

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Well three were mentioned but I only gave reasons for two so one VM price rise a year is ok IMO.

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How anyone can defend non sports fans partly funding Premium sports channels, from a fairness perspective, is beyond me.

The key word here being Premium.

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£4.50 + £3 = too bloody much of a hike within six months.:mad:

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Without Setanta, ESPN and now BT Sport the cost of XL would most likely be even higher, as would broadband & phone. It's only fair that non-sports fans now pay their fair share since the hundreds of thousands that either upgraded their TV from M/M+ to XL or switched all services to Virgin to get inclusive sports have been subsidising everyone else's viewing habits for the past few years.
The key word is competitive; Sky is, BT is and if Virgin wants to maintain its market lead, it will need to continue to be so.

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Strange how Sky can offer a package of all the pay TV channels, without having to add free premium sports.

Are VM's management a bit thick compared to Sky's management then?

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I've always wondered how valuable adding Setanta, ESPN and finally BT Sports to the XL package has really been to Virgin Media over the years. I've never seen any facts or figures to show how many customers upgraded their package from M+ or L over the years to XL to get "free" sports. One thing I do know however is Virgin have been pretty much stagnant during the "free" sports years.

In 2007, before adding Setanta Sports to XL, Virgin Media had 3,600,000 TV customers. Today they have just short of 3,800,000. 200,000 additions in 8 years.

During the same period SKY had 8,200,000 TV customers in 2007. Their now sitting at 10,300,000. Just over 2 million additions. Nearly 11,000,000 if you add NOW TV customers.

BT launched their TV service in December 2006 and now have 1,100,000 TV customers whilst Talk Talk have only been going for a few years with 1,400,000 TV customers.

So during the "free" sports years Virgins competition have added 4,500,000 new TV customers whilst Virgin have added virtually nil in comparison.

It looks like "free" sport has been a great retention tool for Virgin, and a great up-selling feature for existing customers, but it's hardly been a game changer.

I agree with others that Virgin maybe need a new XL package option without BT Sports. The things is the current XL package is actually priced very competitively. With the £3 increase XL with TiVo will be £36.00 per month. SKY's Family Bundle with SKY+ is the exact same price. If Virgin offered XL, minus BT Sport, for about £25.00 per month I'm sure they'd attract the crowd who are looking for great TV at a value price.

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Maybe a coincidence but have just added SKY Sports for the Cricket for a couple of months, my bill how shows my package to be Big Kahuna Sports bundle as they lumped SKY sports into it, how odd! Does this bundle normally exist as an option?

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yes

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Well l would be lying if l said l did not like my football but its certainly pretty unfair on those XL pack subscribers who don't like their sport as they are paying a extra £3 and getting nowt for it.

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Line rental is going up by £1 as well

If you have a Virgin Media phone line and have a short-term promotional offer on line rental, your price change includes a line rental increase of £1.00. However, you will not receive the line rental increase until the end of your short-term promotional offer. This date can be found on your bill.

https://my.virginmedia.com/customer-...-an-offer.html - click on short term promotional offers on line rental

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I'm pretty sure that is referring to from the price change earlier this year - where the line rental went up by £1.

Anyone who had a line rental offer from before that change won't experience that increase until the offer ends.

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might be time to think about cancelling not long in to new contract too but price rise still let you out don't it

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It does appear that these price rises are becoming too frequent, you have to expect a rise every year and I accept that with every company you pay for a service the price will go up.

With VM it used to be an annual rise in February (they even used to break it down between Tel, BB and TV) and an annual rise in Sept/Oct if you sub to Sky premium channels.
Is it sad to live in hope that this will happen once more????

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I think you are allowed to cancel without penalty within 28 days of you being notified of any price rises, i'm not 100% about that though so get it confirmed first.

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I detest sport so much that it is the main deciding factor NOT to subscribe to Sky.

And now VM are going the "sport for all" path, and making all of us pay for it?

Make sport a subscription-only add-on VM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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When the February increase was coming up I downgraded to M TV, 50 broadband and weekend calls but retaining TiVo. Now pay 34 pounds per month, less than half the previous bill and miss very little from the channels not now available

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Or, more precisely, Sky won't allow VM access at the price VM is prepared to pay.

It isn't true to say that Sky won't let anyone else have it. If that was true, I wouldn't be able to access it on my Roku.

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Correct you can cancel any service which is affected in this case the TV

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Just to throw my hat into the ring. When the whole 'ESPN closed and BT wasn't confirmed on Virgin' thing happened, I cancelled all services (not just TV) in contract due to this and the lady at VM confirmed this was ok.

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I downgraded my tv package today. VM remarked they have started to get a "few" calls about the price rise.

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then please tell me why has only sky got it as we know sky own now tv that only reason it there

and why to sky keep insisting that why people join sky for SA even though the viewing figure disprove that as vast majority of sky customers don't watch it and why they mention SA in every tv ad that's on apart from sports or movie only ads because they wont let anyone have it at all that's why

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I ditched the tv today without any cancellation fee and got a good deal for sky tv for the next 12 months

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I hope it was at least the 50% off offer that's a permanent fixture for people switching from VM.

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Yeah they gave me full package including hd for £25 a month fixed for 12 months on a 12. Month contract happy with that

Been with virgin / telewest for a good few year but this last increase just stretched my loyalty a bit too much

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I take it that wasn't with Sports or Movies?

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Same as the one i'm on. Just gotta remember to cancel after 11 months because no way am i paying £75, i'd stretch to the 50% (£38) for the same package for the 12 months after that but i wouldn't pay any more.

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It is the Complete Package with Sports and Movies, all in HD, too good an offer to turn down.

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Me too, great offer. Hope your installation went as well as mine John, I'm very impressed so far and not missing hardly anything about TiVo.

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No it includes sports and movies

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Install went great, he only lives 2 roads away and he did a 10/10 job.

The boxsets are great and i've hardly watched Netflix or Prime since i got it. I'm not missing Tivo either.

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Very tempting but I'd want the bt sport package on top (anyone know the cost of that) and would miss my tivo too much I think

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Hmmm... tempted to change, not because I dont like Sport, bit purely cost wise ... if I can get all the channels I have now (bar BT etc) for £25, then I would be silly not to look into it.

The S*y website however only shows £5 off the bundle, so I must be looking in the wrong place !

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Anyone know the broadband only costs with vm ? I’m already starting to think I could get over losing the tivo if I can make a significant saving :D

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For 50Mb broadband and phone I'm currently paying £17.49 with various discounts applied to my account. I believe the price without discount is around £34.50. When I cancelled my VM TV I also wanted to cancel my telephone as I very rarely use it due to having a contract mobile, but if I did cancel my phone line then the adviser said I'd pay more (£19.99) so as it paid me to keep the phone then it may be the same for you.

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Try the online chat option on the Sky website Mutley and they should offer it to you if you are willing to take it there and then. That's what John and I did.

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cheers, at work now so cant really explore the various websites

i think i'll make a few phone calls when i get home tonight and see whats what

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I've just got a deal with them for 50Mb broadband for £7.50 per month + LR. So along with the Sky deal I got for £25 I'm now paying £32.50 + LR per month and lost BT Sport but gained loads of box sets, Sky Movies, Atlantic HD, Universal HD, Spike, etc.

I'm more than happy with that as whilst I'm a big football fan, I'll only miss the 1 EPL match per week on BT as I lost interest in the Champions League years ago when it stopped actually being 'champions' and became a money spinner.

The deals are out there if they meet your needs and you're willing to switch! ;)

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interesting, thanks

at that price i'd be saving plenty even adding bt sport i think

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Beware that come August BT sport will cost £19.99 (£23.99 with the HD variant) on Sky.

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And that's why £3 extra sounds much better then nearly £24 extra.

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Ah, that was the missing piece of information. Thanks gents

Will do some sums later

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I have BT Infinity , I opted for BT Starter TV and receive BT Sport free or £4 if I want HD seems a good deal to me.

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But what you are missing is that Sky Atlantic is available through a Roku streaming stick, which includes Now TV. As far as I know, Roku has nothing whatsoever to do with Sky.

If you are still of the view that Sky is deliberately withholding the channel (despite the evidence I have just given), the link below may console you!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/1...ing-up-BT.html

Extract

Ofcom said it will also consider new regulation of the pay-TV market to open up access to programming and protect competition in a bundled market, a move that could lead to further clashes with Sky. The company has battled the regulator through the courts for years over being forced to wholesale Sky Sports.

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You just don't get it. Roku is just the conduit to you subscribing directly to Sky for Now TV.

Sky haven't sold it to Roku, who are then selling it to you.

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well that's why as it has nowtv that the only reason mate and sky own nowtv sky wont let anyone else have SA at all

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Sky is an investor in Roku

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...s-corp-1090185

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I haven't an issue with making Sky wholesale its channels but surely BT should also be made to do the same.

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absolutely MM mate :clap::clap:

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+1

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any thoughts on if vm will offer a sky sports season ticket this year?

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No current plans to do so.

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No that was a one off which won't be repeated IMHO.

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My house is also a sports free zone.

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I'm going to use the opportunity to downscale, want to keep 152mb but the tv and anytime calls can do one
just called to try and negotiate and call centres are now only til 8pm mon-fri and 9-5 sat ....how long has that been the case?

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Sky Atlantic is available from Now TV. Now TV is available on many devices including Roku.
And who owns Now TV?
http://watch.nowtv.com/terms

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i did that too i pay £42 a month for all sport and movies in hd plus all other channesl plus got 2 sky+hd boxes

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Hi all,

Long time lurker here! I am a massive sports fan but sadly can't justify my sports sub anymore. The prices are just too outrageous now days.

Just got rid of everything apart 50mb broadband and line rental which they offered at £24.49 a month for 12 month. Is this a good deal or should I have held out for a better deal?

I will be getting a now TV box and getting a sports week pass only for the weeks that are worthwhile.

Mazz

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I'm only paying £17.49 for my 50Mb broadband and line rental.

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Thanks Geordiechris!

Knew I should of haggled for a better deal!

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It looks like you're only getting the standard £10 loyalty discount whereas I am also getting another £7 loyalty discount on top of that making it the price I pay.

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ironic really that i was surviving quite happily without sky sports before vm offered the season ticket

currently got sky sports half price for another few weeks so thats due to go up and thats without hd

done a few sums and i reckon if i keep phone and bb with vm and get sky tv i'll be paying roughly the same but will gain sports and movies in hd for 12 months so i think i'll put that in motion today after a bit more soul searching

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For me i'm paying £57.99 per month and that is for the full package with Sky and the 50Mb broadband and line rental from VM.

I must also add that I've had half price Sky subscription now for 2 full years. My current offer expires in October so no doubt i'll be haggling with them again and manage to get the same deal. Sky don't like customers leaving and, dare I say, 'bend over backwards' to keep you. Last year I managed to blag another 12 months half price WITHOUT having to sign up for another 12 months contract :)

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I have BT sports and sky spots on the XL package BT sport Europe what Channel will this be on more football for me

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I am seriously struggling to justify sky sports at nearly £40 a month with HD (wouldn't want SD on its own) with another £3 rise to XL now on the way. I haven't subscribed to SS for this season as of yet and it's 50/50 if I will now. It's always been a no brainier 'yes' for me before. Wonder how many other regular SS subscribers are balking.

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I've just remembered I have a relative's sky go login (including sports) I can use on my pS4 linked to the TV, a much cheaper option and something else to throw into the mix

1st world problems maybe but all good fun working out what to do

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Would going onto big kahuna sports work out cheaper for you?

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I did try Now TV but the picture quality in live sport is terrible. It's ok on the movies but the sport is horrible. It gave me a headache watching it. Would save £2 a month on the Big Kahuna Sports but am holding out with current package for contract end in a few months.

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I would argue the PQ is terrible in SD on the main system (VM and sky) and just forces people to pay the additional surcharge to see it in HD

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New NowTV Box due in a couple of weeks (£15) may (or may not) improve things. Video will be streamed at 720p but there's been no mention of audio so far - hopefully 5.1. At £15 with possibly some streaming thrown in, it may be worth a gamble.

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Is sky go different to now tv pq wise?

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U Of course I 'get it', PB! Where did I suggest that Sky had 'sold' Now TV to Roku?

My point was that given Now TV is available on Roku (as well as other providers), this shows that Sky Atlantic is not being withheld from other platforms.

Of course, VM may have their own reasons for not making Now TV available to its TiVo customers, but that is a separate issue.

I would like to see Mr Malone make good on his promise of maximising the amount of content available to cable customers without necessarily owning the content.

If. Now TV is the only mechanism by which we can access Sky Atlantic, ITV Encore and other exclusive content, I think VM should bite the bullet and add it into our streaming services in the same kind of arrangement it has with Netflix.

VM may take the view that it is not a good deal for their customers, but I and others have taken precisely that decision in subscribing to Now TV outside the Virgin Media service.

They should let their own customers decide.

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Not sure I quite understand your comment, Dave. SA is available on Now TV.

Now TV is available on a number of different devices.

This indicates to me that it is Virgin Media who are refusing to take this or any other available option to secure the channel.

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Thanks for clarifying, Dilly.

However, my main point is correct, because Sky don't own all those gaming consoles and TV makers that give you access to Now TV.

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Id bite there arm off for that deal. May i ask how did you start this conversation? Do i just charge straight in saying give me 60% off now and ill move from virgin, your choice take it or leave it! :)

Like others have said the deals on the site are poor at the moment only offering a fiver off the family pack.

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Just play it cool Bobby. Start by saying you're a VM customer and currently considering switching to Sky and just wondered what deals they currently have available. Tell them you'd be interested in the Family Bundle with Sports and Movies in HD. Then just see where the conversation takes you (hopefully to the great deal!). ;)

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Ok cool dude it is then. :cool:

Ill let you know how i get on.

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sky will only let SA on it own platform sky own now tv why is it on no other platform because sky wont let anyone one else have it

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Now TV is available on other Devices, not Platforms.

Roku doesn't offer it's own pay TV service

LG doesn't offer it's own pay TV service

Apple TV doesn't offer it's own pay TV service

Virgin Media on Tivo does.

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exactly SA is not on any other platform because sky wont let anyone else have it like they used to withhold all the other channels OB you to complain about sky about

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I have not seen any evidence to suggest that your entirely factual post is the reason why Now TV is not available on VM.

I suspect that non inclusion is Virgin's decision, not Sky's.

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Well, I thought that's what you'd say, Dave, but do you have any links or other supporting evidence to corroborate your comment, or is this simply your presumption?

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wrong why is it not on any other platform OB answer sky wont let anyone have it at all just need to look at sky history of withholding channels there is your answer

but as MM righty pointed out no use BT complaining to Ofcom about it as they doing the same thing

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BT doesn't need to complain, Dave; OFCOM are looking into exclusivity deals applicable to pay-TV, and not too soon, IMHO.

Incidentally, the absence of Sky Atlantic/Now TV on TV platforms as opposed to other devices doesn't prove that Sky are withholding it from TV platforms.

From Sky's point of view, why would they? We can all get Now TV by other means of we want to, as I and many others have. It would just be more convenient for the user to have it all on one box.

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The evidence is deductive common sense.

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same reason as they withheld all the other channels before OB mate they don't want anyone else to have SA simple as that and as I said before sky believe SA makes people join sky even though SA viewing figures prove that wrong

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Please explain.

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SA has low viewing figures vast majority of sky customers don't watch it if people joined sky just for SA it would have good viewing figure not low ones like it has

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Quality content (in whatever medium), usually gets smaller audiences. As per quality verses tabloid papers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...by_circulation

Sky obviously value it's draw as premium content