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papa smurf

19-06-2015 06:08

UK Muslims helping jihadis

UK Muslims helping jihadis, says Cameron: Communities must stop 'quietly condoning' barbaric ISIS, PM warns in blunt speech

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Osem	19-06-2015 08:48

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He's right. I've heard a surprising amount of people doing exactly that and refusing to condemn IS or those who're drawn towards them.

I wonder if the women who appear to have taken leave of their senses and taken their small children to a war zone will be punished if/when they get back or whether they'll be offered 'help and counselling'. It'll be interesting to see if they're treated in the same way as irresponsible parents who put their kids at risk by, for example, leaving them unattended for long periods, or otherwise neglecting them.

Gary L

19-06-2015 09:05

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Nothing worse than upsetting a hungry Muslim :)

Taf	19-06-2015 09:56

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Are we surprised when "prominent muslims" publicly condemn ISIS, but are then found to have been fund-raising and otherwise supporting ISIS?

Muslims I know also know this is happening, but many fail to condemn it.

Ignitionnet

19-06-2015 10:06

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Not sure why this is a surprise to anyone.

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqdkE6tC4YE - the people I presume Dave is referring to are the 'Islamists' and 'medievalists'.

Osem	19-06-2015 10:17

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I heard a really excellent call from a Muslim mother on LBC earlier. She was making this very point and doing her very best to monitor what her kids are seeing/hearing in relation to IS propaganda, then explain and challenge it, rather than allow it to remain undiscussed. Her feeling is that many Muslim parents are either blissfully unaware of what their kids are being exposed on the internet to or simply turning a blind eye to it, perhaps because they don't fully appreciate just how powerful the extremists' rhetoric and imagery is in influencing their young people who're increasingly seeking and reacting to information from sources which are beyond our control.

nomadking

19-06-2015 10:31

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If you teach them the right principles in the first place, you don't necessarily have to monitor kids as they will ignore it. The internet is not the sole source of the problem.

Hugh	19-06-2015 11:14

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35783899)

If you teach them the right principles in the first place, you don't necessarily have to monitor kids as they will ignore it. The internet is not the sole source of the problem.

Mostly.....

There are always outliers, and they are the ones that get in the news....

nomadking

19-06-2015 11:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35783903)

Mostly.....

There are always outliers, and they are the ones that get in the news....

It is the Mosques, Islamic community centres("racist" by definition), and homes, that are the real big problems. Those are more difficult situations for them to ignore and get away from, than having to actually seek out a particular website.

If you are brought up with the correct general attitudes, you don't need to be told about specific things, Eg I don't remember having to be specifically told that organising sex gangs or even just sexual assault is wrong? I just do.

johnhook

19-06-2015 11:40

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talk about stating the obvious. I just do not understand why it has taken so long for someone in power to speak out about it.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35783892)

in every single Muslim community in every single town and city with any Islamic population it will be happening. Anyone who thinks otherwise in my opinion is deluding themselves

Hugh	19-06-2015 11:57

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35783904)

Me too - but unfortunately, someone forgot to tell the men who carry out the 85,000 rapes and 400,000 sexual assaults each year.

richard s

19-06-2015 13:49

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Why do I have this awful thought...

The good of the many out way the good of the few.

Though innocents will perish the evil will be desimated.

NUKE RAQQA

Cut of the serpents head.

Is it because I want to protect our children and their children etc., from this evil situation.

heero_yuy

19-06-2015 14:12

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35783918)

The good of the many out way the good of the few.

Though innocents will perish the evil will be desimated.

NUKE RAQQA

A moral dilemma: If the torture and deliberate killing of an innocent child would save a thousand lives is that OK? Not something I'd want to see done.:(

TheDaddy

19-06-2015 14:13

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35783918)

If you really want to protect them nuke dewsbury

Stuart

19-06-2015 15:30

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35783918)

You will fail to protect anyone. The second you do that, you will create tens of thousands of Martyrs, and risk rallying tens of thousands of other people (both Muslim and not) to the cause of ISIS. You would also risk world war, after all, you would be detonating nuclear weaponry on the same land mass occupied by both Russia and China, both of whom have enough firepower to wipe the west off the planet.

Hugh	19-06-2015 15:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35783921)

If you really want to protect them nuke dewsbury

I would rather you didn't - the fallout, even from a tactical nuke, would bring down the property prices in Leeds....

papa smurf

19-06-2015 16:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35783928)

I would rather you didn't - the fallout, even from a tactical nuke, would bring down the property prices in Leeds....

not from what I've seen of the place

TheDaddy

19-06-2015 16:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35783928)

I would rather you didn't - the fallout, even from a tactical nuke, would bring down the property prices in Leeds....

Personally I wouldn't nuke anywhere. There does seem to be a problem with that area of Yorkshire though, wonder if it's like with Rochdale where the authorities knew what was going on but we're to scared to act

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...formation.html

Ignitionnet

19-06-2015 21:32

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35783921)

If you really want to protect them nuke dewsbury

Please don't I'm only about 10km away from Dewsbury and don't want to have to replace all the windows :(

TheDaddy

20-06-2015 00:43

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35784000)

Please don't I'm only about 10km away from Dewsbury and don't want to have to replace all the windows :(

Or the skin, hair, children etc

deadite66

20-06-2015 05:45

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So Farage was right about the fifth column.

techguyone

20-06-2015 07:48

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Course he was, it's just that if anyone so much as whispered anything remotely 'bad' about those people they were rounded up by the thought police for being racist/islamphobist/un pc etc etc.

If the situation was in a book or film no one would believe it... yet here we are living it, our children and childrens children won't be looking back at us with kindness .

Taf	20-06-2015 09:41

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Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35784024)

So Farage was right about the fifth column.

I, and many others, have been warning about this for years. The warnings did not fall on deaf ears though, but were filtered out by PC brainwashing.

Gary L

20-06-2015 10:09

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"people do see a fifth column living within our country, who hate us and want to kill us”

Just a few more years to go.
maybe it's too late now.
maybe we deserve it.

Hugh	20-06-2015 11:05

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35784029)

Course he was, it's just that if anyone so much as whispered anything remotely 'bad' about those people they were rounded up by the thought police for being racist/islamphobist/un pc etc etc.

If the situation was in a book or film no one would believe it... yet here we are living it, our children and childrens children won't be looking back at us with kindness .

Hyperbole, much?

Were they taken away by the UN Black Helicopters? :rolleyes:

There is a problem, and we need to take steps to deal with, but stating utter bolleaux like this doesn't help anyone - I look forward to you providing links to show all the people who were rounded up.....

papa smurf

20-06-2015 12:12

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35784053)

"people do see a fifth column living within our country, who hate us and want to kill us”

Just a few more years to go.
maybe it's too late now.
maybe we deserve it.

so a few more years to find a solution

nomadking

20-06-2015 12:18

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35784072)

so a few more years to find a solution

Like what exactly?

techguyone

20-06-2015 12:19

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35784066)

Are you for real? have you forgotten towards the end of the last Labour tenure, you only had to smell vaguely anti-pc and you were ostracised from society, give me strength...

papa smurf

20-06-2015 12:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35784074)

Like what exactly?

that's the $64,000 question isn't it not sure i have the answer

Ramrod

20-06-2015 12:33

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35784077)

Are you for real? have you forgotten towards the end of the last Labour tenure, you only had to smell vaguely anti-pc and you were ostracised from society, give me strength...

That's the way the left operates. If they don't like what you say they label you and put you down.
If, over time, what you have been saying proves to be correct they then deny that they ever labeled you. It's standard operating procedure. Sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes it's due to selective memory :(

Hugh	20-06-2015 12:48

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35784077)

Are you for real? have you forgotten towards the end of the last Labour tenure, you only had to smell vaguely anti-pc and you were ostracised from society, give me strength...

Yes, I am, but I'm not sure you are.

Still looking forward to your extensive list of those who were rounded up by the thought police......

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35784083)

yes, because I am well known for being on the left..... :D

techguyone

20-06-2015 12:49

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Maybe you should see what Ramrod put, you're the only one here who seems to be a twunt

nomadking

20-06-2015 13:31

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Link

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A couple of weeks back I wrote an article headed: ‘Call me insane, but I’m voting Labour.’ Among the many hundreds of people who reacted with the rather predictable ‘Yes, you’re insane’ was my wife, Mrs Liddle. She pointed out that Ed Miliband had vowed that upon being elected, Labour would make Islamophobia a crime. ‘So,’ she concluded, with a certain acidity, ‘not only will we be substantially worse off under a Labour government, but at nine o’clock on the morning of 8 May the police will arrive to take you away. You are voting for a party which will both impoverish and arrest you. You are a moron.’

Hugh	20-06-2015 13:45

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35784088)

Maybe you should see what Ramrod put, you're the only one here who seems to be a twunt

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35784096)

Link

Liddle - speaking of hyperbole....

So your evidence is something written by someone, who is avowedly anti-Labour and anti-Muslim, about something his wife told him, that isn't documented anywhere....

Sound.....;)

nomadking

20-06-2015 14:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35784098)

So, when I point out that you are utilising hyperbole (people being rounded up), and you fail consistently to back up your assertion, I am a "twunt"?

All I can say is

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...4&d=1434807733

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Liddle - speaking of hyperbole....

So your evidence is something written by someone, who is avowedly anti-Labour and anti-Muslim, about something his wife told him, that isn't documented anywhere....

Sound.....;)

I did check his political background before posting.

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At 16, he was a member of the Socialist Workers Party remaining a member for about a year, and a supporter of CND around the same time. He attended the London School of Economics (LSE) as a mature student, where he read Social Psychology.
His early career in journalism was with the South Wales Echo in Cardiff where he was a general news reporter and, for a time, the rock and pop writer. He worked between 1983 and 1987 as a speechwriter and researcher for the Labour Party.

He voted Labour.

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A couple of weeks back I wrote an article headed: ‘Call me insane, but I’m voting Labour.’ Among the many hundreds of people who reacted with the rather predictable ‘Yes, you’re insane’ was my wife, Mrs Liddle

Link

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The Labour leader's pledge to redefine Islamophobia as an aggravated crime will be cheered by child sex-grooming gangs in Rotherham and election-stealers in Tower Hamlets
...
“We are going to make sure it is marked on people’s records, with the police to make sure they root out Islamophobia as a hate crime,” said Miliband. “We are going to change the law so we make it absolutely clear of [sic] our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country.”

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Now in an interview with the Muslim News Ed Miliband states he would make Islamophobia a crime if he gets into power.
Of course any bias, or threat, or criminal activity targeted at anyone from an ethnic minority cannot be tolerated but we don’t need any additional legislation as there are, quite rightly, laws already in place to deal with such cases. What we do need is the ability to highlight the problems faced by a small section of British Pakistanis and demand they challenge it.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't true.

For a "non-existent" comment, there are an awful lot of people around the world who commented on it at the time.

Hugh	20-06-2015 15:10

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I was in the Air Force many years ago - doesn't mean I am still in it; look at Liddle's writings in the last ten years (Spectator, Sun. Times, etc), and I think you will find very little of a left-wing bias there....

I don't remember seeing it in the Manifesto, except the bit about "hate crimes"...

Update - looking at your links, and reading the original article, Ed was promising to make Islamophobia a specific offence, probably one of the many reasons why he lost so badly - please accept my apologies for not believing you on that matter.

However, it still doesn't justify a previous poster claiming that people had been rounded up under the previous Labour administration..

nomadking

20-06-2015 15:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35784119)

I was in the Air Force many years ago - doesn't mean I am still in it; look at Liddle's writings in the last ten years (Spectator, Sun. Times, etc), and I think you will find very little of a left-wing bias there....

And just because you want to believe it, doesn't make it true either....

I don't remember seeing it in the Manifesto, except the bit about "hate crimes"...

As I said there are MANY other articles from around the world reporting on it. I gave 2 specific examples. I cannot find any hint of a claim that it isn't true. Links to the original didn't work at first, but now it does.
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A future Labour Government is committed to outlaw the scourge of Islamophobia by changing the law and making it an aggravated crime, according to the Party’s Leader Ed Miliband.
“We are going to make it an aggravated crime. We are going to make sure it is marked on people’s records with the police to make sure they root out Islamophobia as a hate crime,” Miliband told the Editor of The Muslim News, Ahmed J Versi in a wide ranging exclusive interview.
“We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country,” he said.
Labour Party Manifesto pledged to take a “zero-tolerance approach to hate crime” regarding the growth of Islamophobia as well as anti-Semitism. “We will challenge prejudice before it grows, whether in schools, universities or on social media. And we will strengthen the law on disability, homophobic, and transphobic hate crime,” it said.

From ACTUAL Labour 2015 manifesto. (page 54)

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We will take a zero-tolerance approach to hate crime, such as anti-Semitism
and Islamophobia. We will challenge prejudice before it grows, whether in
schools, universities or on social media. And we will strengthen the law on
disability, homophobic, and transphobic hate crime.

Hugh	20-06-2015 15:23

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Agreed - we were cross posting.

Ramrod

20-06-2015 15:28

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35784119)

look at Liddle's writings in the last ten years (Spectator, Sun. Times, etc), and I think you will find very little of a left-wing bias there....

I agree. He appears to have mentally matured rather late though......and writes some quite sensible stuff: http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnist...n-in-dewsbury/ :D

Osem	20-06-2015 15:29

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35784083)

I'd agree with that. They claim to be interested in tolerance but are totally intolerant of anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them. They routinely label opponents in the most vitriolic manner and try to shut down debate through intimidation, like militant unionists attacking 'scabs'. Brown's 'bigot' comment betrayed a common theme running throughout his party - scratch the surface and it's still there.

Ramrod

20-06-2015 15:33

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Always has been and, I think, always will....

Taf	20-06-2015 16:22

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35784124)

I They claim to be interested in tolerance but are totally intolerant of anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them.

You should listen to Pat Condell on youtube.

Ramrod

20-06-2015 19:53

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35784134)

You should listen to Pat Condell on youtube.

He is funny. I'm surprised that he's not been killed yet. :disturbd:

Osem	20-06-2015 19:56

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Have you just issued a fatwa??!!! :erm:

:D

Ignitionnet

21-06-2015 15:57

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35784017)

Or the skin, hair, children etc

I was rather hoping you'd exercise some restraint and keep the yield in the low kiloton range.

Hugh	21-06-2015 19:59

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35784272)

I was rather hoping you'd exercise some restraint and keep the yield in the low kiloton range.

He might be using a suitcase neutron bomb, sub 10K...

TheDaddy

21-06-2015 20:21

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35784272)

I was rather hoping you'd exercise some restraint and keep the yield in the low kiloton range.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35784325)

He might be using a suitcase neutron bomb, sub 10K...

Hey I don't want to nuke anywhere, was merely giving advice to Richard about where to nuke, he's the one with his finger on the button :erm:

Hugh	21-06-2015 20:47

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That's what they all say, just before the big flash of light.....

Gary L

21-06-2015 22:00

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He can nuke me if he wants.
I could do with a good nuking.
I haven't had a nuke since Wednesday.

Ignitionnet

22-06-2015 18:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35784325)

He might be using a suitcase neutron bomb, sub 10K...

Eww. Super radioactive, but relatively little blast. Nasty fallout as kinda tricky to air burst a suitcase bomb.

TheDaddy

25-07-2015 06:03

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35783921)

If you really want to protect them nuke dewsbury

Bombs away :shocked:

http://www.heart.co.uk/yorkshire/new...-strict-rules/

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