Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/12...t/?ref=mr&lp=1

She's proved herself wrong hasn't she?

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I've argued with her on Facebook in the past. Utterly barking mad and so far up her own backside she can see the back of her teeth.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Of course they can - anyone can be racist and/or sexist.

Being a member of a minority does not give anyone a free pass on being an ass.

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And she's living proof.

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Attacks on white males locally have not been classed as racist even though the attackers were not white and were shouting things that many saw as racist.

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She would do well to remember she is at school to learn.

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Everyone of every racial group is capable of racism..However stupidity knows no boundaries.:rolleyes:

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This seems to apply to large numbers of NUS people. Did she retreat to a safe space where she couldn't be criticised? They do have these in universities now where no dissent or disagreement is allowed.

*Jazz hands*

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There was a notice up in my student union building, back in the day: "Members and visitors please note. No member of this union shall be discriminated against on the grounds of their ethnicity, gender, their religious or political views, or their sexual orientation."

Which didn't stop some union hack pushing through a motion of "no platform" for "nazis". Not that there were any Nazis on the campus, so far as I could tell.

The irony was completely lost on them, even after several people tried in vain to explain it.

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Racism is a one way street.

If I call someone from African descent a Black B. I'm in trouble.

They call me a White B. nothing will happen.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Why not just call them a *******?

( I honestly didn't expect the swear filter to kick in there, ******* is a legitimate word.)

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

LOL Remember this?

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Yep, typical hypocrisy. The Labour party is infested with it.

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Yeah, and the sooner these people, whoever they are? Stop calling their organisations / associations, names like...

Asian Faces
Society of Black lawyers
UK Black Pride
Black Students Union
Black Families Education Support Group
Etc. etc... etc....

...The better!

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

I had a few words with her after she sent my sons str8 friend a message online pointing out he had gay friends and would go to hell and then went on to attack my son.

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What she's trying - and failing spectacularly - to say is generally women and BME (Black and minority ethnic) are rarely/never in positions to oppress, so because in her view sexism and racism is only used for the purpose of oppression she and her ilk can never be guilty of it.

In my last exchange with her I pointed out Mugabe and his 'land grab' efforts from white farmers a few years back, honestly I thought her reaction was for entertainment and performance purposes. She went off on one like a woman possessed and some of her followers joined in, they have the attitude of "If you're not 100% with us you're 100% against us". It was getting harder and harder to resist the urge to deliberately wind her up but fortunately I was kicked out of the group.

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Indeed, happened to someone I was at school with

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4460778.stm

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Yes you see people like this employ the faux outrage tactic because they believe it only strengthens their argument. They also tend to equate all sorts of issues which are not linked and attach to them all sorts of hyperbole . It's why these people routinely use words like 'traumatised', 'victimised', 'abused' in connection with events which are actually relatively trivial. In order to pursue their agenda they grossly exaggerate and conflate issues and actually behave in a manner which is not dissimilar to those they say they despise. In their minds anything other that the most vehement opposition works not irrespective of how justified that might be. That's why we routinely hear about people being 'traumatised' by events that once upon a time wouldn't have even made the news.

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I think the argument would be to get a very good lawyer

Ordinary polis can't be relied upon to know/implement the law properly IMO.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Should the British whites not call our selves African White Britains in future - I just hate that phrase e.g. African American, etc.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Oh dear I seems to be getting worse for this poor woman. I'm sure it's all a sexist, racist plot perpetrated by non-ethnic minority women though...


http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/12..._/?ref=mr&lp=7

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Yes!
that's one of the roots of it all.

they say that it's about achievement why they use the colour.
(here we go. it's the them and us again)
so if we used the White one. they'll say we're either being racist and all the rest that we could say about them having a non white gang. but we don't.

absolutely bonkers it all is.

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Student unions politics is nuts. It's a playground for aspirating future Labour politicians and fringe activists. Their motions and debates rarely resonate with the wider student body who let them get on with it. Honestly very few students care about these Unions and even the politically motivated students will largely get involved elsewhere.

I remember my Uni had nonsense elections for it and the only vote I remember was when they tried to ban for Coca-Cola on campus for various stupid reasons I cannot remember. Like 99% of the rest of the student body I didn't vote but they did fail to get it passed, I assume 3 or 4 coca-cola addicts turned up and had a majority to vote them done.

They are often bizarrely illiberal as well. Chris mentioned the 'no-platform' policy but this has grown to the stage where they will interrupt and protest speakers they don't like who've been invited by other groups. I don't really have a problem with the Union itself deciding not to invite people to their own private platform - it's their choice - but preventing others from speaking in environments that are nothing to do with you is pretty objectionable behaviour.

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It was the same at my uni - a militant bunch of idiots who spent far more time causing trouble than studying. Maybe that's why certain unions think it's great to strike on the basis of a paltry turn out. ;)

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Wouldn't bother giving these people the attention really. I certainly didn't at uni. It's a world detached from reality. They don't represent the students and the only reason students join is the discount card you get. This case is even bizarre by the already bizarre standards of student unions!

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Your comment brought back distant memories of the LSE Riots! Lots of student unrest there in the 60's, unfortunately I'm old enough to remember the news!

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Hang on, never mind a "vote of no confidence", why is she not being arrested for inciting racial hatred for the "kill all white men" comment? The fact it was supposedly an in-joke makes no difference at all.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Perhaps because no one has made a complaint to them...

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Considering that all humans are descended from the hominids that came out of Africa, then yes, we are equally able to call ourselves African-British.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

The thing is, there you go introducing facts into an argument.

People are people, and regardless of their colour, gender or any other physical descriptor you care to mention, they can be offensive to other people.

Regarding this lady. I do not know what it's like, but I have a friend who was born in Belgium to a Pakistani father and Belgian mother, is a lady and is therefore arguably an ethnic minority. She also used to work for Goldsmiths and reckons that Goldsmiths is an awful place to work because of things like this.

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From the article:
From the OED:
No mention of privilege there. It just mentions the idea of belief that either your race is superior or others inferior to yours.

Again, no mention of privilege, just discrimination based on gender.

No, going on those ACTUAL DEFINITIONS, I would argue she is racist because she is making assumptions about white people based purely on the fact they are white. I would argue that she is sexist because she is making assumptions about men based purely on the fact they are men. Who benefits (assuming anyone does) is irrelevant.

Personally, I try and avoid making judgments on people based purely on their race or gender. I make judgements on people based on how they act toward me.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Why back I was coding a patient system for a hospital and part of the stats were to record ethnicity of patients. (Actually useful medically too in some cases).

There are different codes for (simplifying here) British Black and Black British and the distinction is one the patient (or respondent) makes.

(BTW I was not privy to the analysis of the figures. And I wouldn't share them if I was.)

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There are differences between gender and race, some more obvious. But there is not a difference in value. We should learn to embrace and utilise the differences but never use those differences to denigrate or devalue any group.

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The thing that always surprises me is that people who feel they (or those they represent) are the victims of some 'ism' or another tend to employ their very own 'isms' when putting forward their case. Odd that and not a little ironic...

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Has the welfare and diversity old bag kept her job? Course she has, we don't have enough harridans making mischief, on the other hand we have loads of Nobel laureate medical scientists that we can afford to lose one for telling pretty poor, unfunny jokes. Surely there is some sort of course he could've go on to learn the error of his ways, perhaps he could've taken said old bag with him to, that'd really learn him, a few hours with her.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...or-men-in-labs

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...e_iOSApp_Other

She won't get the sort of punishment a white person would receive if they'd said the same about blacks but at least the police are getting involved.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/10/33.jpg
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/10/34.jpg

The bit I most enjoyed was her commenting on 'us in the working class'. This from a woman who is 27 and still in university, albeit as the welfare and diversity officer, having recently graduated with that qualification always in demand among employers, an MA in gender and media studies, and who still lives with her parents. For all her rage against the Tories she has absolutely no idea about the impact of their policies having been pleasantly insulated by academia and her parents.

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I should emphasise that I do not think she should be prosecuted. Unlike her I am a fan of freedom of speech, don't want a censorious society and don't think life should come with a trigger warning.

Hopefully this experience will encourage her to appreciate that what she demands goes both ways.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34560277


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34549590

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Ah, but they can be anti-islamic ... or the new term "islamaphobic" which means to have an irrational fear of them.

Not such an irrational fear in the near future I reckon.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

I would say that's worse than what Mustafa tweeted. Free speech doesn't cover directly abusing someone.

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Agree on both counts. This episode is a reminder that anyone can engage in bigotry, and be racist even if they aren't a white CIS male.

I do of course run with the dictionary definition of racism rather than the 'sociological' definition Mustafa uses.

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I think they would have an easier time if they separated the concepts of racism and institutionalised racism. I don't think many, CF side, can argue that in a broader context that white people have suffered anywhere near as much from racism as minority groups have or that previous injustices still impact upon today.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Another racist on a bus, albeit a black male.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...obic-rant.html

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Charges have been dropped: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...llwhitemen-row

Good. Stupid law, stupid charges. I hope (but doubt) we'll see this communications act revised in future to deal with this attempts at convictions. These can harm peoples' lives.

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What a nasty evil little woman she is. It's a massive shame the charges are dropped, this will allow people to think that coming out with such rubbish as what she tweeted (plus the whole "I can't be racist/sexist" crap) is acceptable. That will likely lead to further racial tensions and a whole lot more.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Well that's ok because the targets of her venom and hate were only men...

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It's not acceptable nor 'ok' but it shouldn't be illegal. It also was clearly not a serious threat in context. People all over Twitter were Tweeting that hashtag in the aftermath of her arrest and didn't get a visit from the police which highlights how stupid her initial arrest was and how poorly implemented this law is.

As for this leading to 'further racial tensions' I seriously doubt it. Most people don't know or care about this level of social justice or identity politics. It mains a subculture confined to the Internet and the more militant parts of Student Union politics.

We all pay far too much attention to the wider, more extreme, proponents of any issue and it doesn't do anyone any good. All it does is cause our reaction to them to become more extreme as well until everyone is just shouting at each other and using words like 'evil' for someone.

You are giving her too much attention and significance than she deserves.

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I think she's a symptom of a widespread disease, the sufferers of which perceive men as fair game for insults, abuse, biased treatment under the law etc. etc. If a man had said such things people like her would have been up in arms whining about yet more male oppression blah blah blah. That's just my opinion.

Re: Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.
 

Very good. Even if her horrendous Vice 'interview' or more accurately opportunity to spout her talking points would've won her no fans.

The woman is a symptom of people hanging around the safe space echo chambers that seem a mainstay of university now.

She really needs to get out of there and live in the real world for a while to try and bring some balance into her immature, childish and absurd views.