[Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership
 

Thought best to keep chat about Labour leadership battle in a new thread. Including Harman in this poll as she could well end up being elected as leader.

Re: Who will next Labour leader be?
 

Some are saying it could be Dan Jarvis the Barnsley MP as a outsider

Re: Who will next Labour leader be?
 

You've not included Andy Burnham, who I dislike intensely, but is a potential front runner as is Chuka Umunna.

Re: Who will next Labour leader be?
 

Unless they ditch the union agenda it won't matter.

Re: Who will next Labour leader be?
 

But that will lose them their main paymasters. Rock and a hard place.

Re: Who will next Labour leader be?
 

You have a very limited number of options in your poll Mark.

Re: Who will next Labour leader be?
 

Also, to win seats back in Scotland and England, they have to appeal to Scots whilst avoiding further distancing the English. A big rock and a very hard place.

Who will lead the Labour Party
 

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Haven't we had enough voting already???!!! :mad:



;)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

if only that nice David milliband had been in charge... but hey ho there you go they let the little back stabber in and look where it got them :)

ive got an old sausage in the fridge thats past its best maybe that can run if i bung a rosette on it :):)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Labour cannot win with any of those named imho. Their only real option is the Miliband that ought to have been running this time. Ed was a patsy.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Rightly or wrongly I think they will probably go with Chuka Umunna in an effort to try to show that they are in tune with the young and ethnic voters. However it's a tactic that probably won't work!

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

It will depend if they get someone who thinks the problem is that they didn't go to the left enough or someone who'll return to a New Labour style centrist position. I think they need someone who doesn't appear to be a career politician who worked their way there though the standard Oxbridge PPE > Special advisor > Safe Seat MP > Party leader route. A centrist who can relate and 'cut though' to the disaffected working class demographics that they've lost to UKIP whilst appearing moderate and competent on the economy.

Easy. :P

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Dan Jarvis does seem good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jarvis

Not associated with the old Labour people, was in the army, seems different to the usual slick Oxbridge types. Not sure of his politics though.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

The weight of money in the betting markets these last 24 hours has been increasingly put on Chuka Umunna but even more so on Jarvis.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Thing with Jarvis is just that he seems to look and carry himself completely different from the identikit politicians after Blair. As I mentioned before the fact he has had a distinguished career in the armed forces, on the front lines as well, does him no harm at all.

Kendall is another one who is undoubtedly a centrist (a.k.a Blairite) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Kendall

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

IMHO, Umunna has the potential to be another Bliar - a triumph of presentation over substance who looks good in a suit. He also ticks the obvious cultural/ethnic minority boxes which Labour are obsessed with. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd be the PR guru's choice but if Labour are going to try to appeal to the ordinary man, it'd be nice if their leader at least resembled one of them and could command at least some respect for getting his/her hands dirty in the real world.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Just finished reading this by Chukka and he certainly seems to know which way Labour need to go, and for me he hits the nail on the head by saying that Labour by targeting the low paid/poor and the wealthy they have completely ignored and alienated the vast majority of those voters in the middle

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

he was on the Andrew marr show this morning he seem to be an honest well meaning bloke ,do political parties vote for honest well meaning folk to lead them ?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Whether people agree with Blair or not he like Thatcher won 3 elections and not many have done that.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think honest well meaning leaders tend to go the way of Milliband and Clegg

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Labour haven't done all that much for the white, indigenous working class which is why UKIP took so many of their votes. Bliar too said a lot of stuff which sounded great - he just didn't deliver it and given his track record you have to wonder how much of it was sincere and how much was weasel words.

IMHO Umunna is a slimmer, younger version of Keith Vaz.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

This is the problem that Labour have and whoever they elect as leader will have to portray the ability and will to deliver what they say they will deliver .Blairs legacy to Labour party is not something to be proud of and the party will suffer for a few more elections I feel

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Will Chuka Umanna name go against him though?

Even though he is London born, a minority will think "why would I vote for a foreigner?"

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I don't care who it is as long as he's not another lying git like Bliar

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well he is a politician so that's highly likely.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well i did not want to put lying **** bag but as you pointed out they all lie i need to elaborate a bit. :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Liz Kendall has just been on Sunday Politics. She's throwing her hat in apparently.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well if they pick somebody who looks weird they can kiss goodbye to power for a long time. People don't vote for weirdos: Foot, Kinnock, Miliband. QED

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Ms Kendall is quite easy on the eye. Her biggest problem will be that the so-called progressive Labour Party has a glass ceiling that's almost bullet proof.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He is different as he is our local MP and you see him walking around the town with his suit on carrying his rucksack

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Apparently what marks Jarvis down in the eyes of some of his colleagues is that he still reads his speeches verbatim in the Commons. He'd never get away with that as leader of the opposition.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Blimey. Are any of these the same folk who thought Foot, Kinnock, Bliar, Brown and Miliband were a good idea? :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well Blair until the later part of his premiership like Thatcher must have been liked by many as they both won 3 elections on the trot so they must have had something which the electorate liked.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I guess he could get training and practise that.

Blair was a good idea. Won them three terms.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Being 'liked' and being good for Labour are two very different things as Miliband has just found out.

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And lost them the last 2. ;)

Bliar's legacy will take a great deal of overcoming and we're still living with plenty of reminders of it which show no sign of going away.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

And you could say the same about Thatcher as well.:)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I don't think he lost them the last two. If he were that much of a hinderance he wouldn't have won the third term. Miliband rejected New Labour and moved to the left and subsequently lost by a bigger margin than Brown did. That certainly wasn't on Blair.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Not really, Major won the election after Thatcher was removed. ;)

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He got a third term because nobody would have voted for Brown and the rot wasn't plain to see at that point. Labour were still buying votes and spending cash they didn't have.

There's no doubt his move to the left and the unions cost Miliband but it was the economy and immigration which I believe did Labour the most harm and Bliar/Brown were responsible for that. Miliband just compounded the 'trust' problem he inherited from them.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Whatever happened to that stone? Maybe Ed's shackled to it at the bottom of the Thames now.:)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Perhaps he had it converted into a kitchen work-top?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/05/29.jpg

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

But in the last few years of her premiership she was engulfed by one crisis after another as we all know and thus John Major for the rest of his office could never get on top of these problems that had engulfed the Conservative party in the last few years of her premiership.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Yes we may know that but the fact remains that in spite of her unpopularity amongst some/many, Major still won another election for the Tories so her legacy clearly didn't affect the party's popularity to the point where they lost and in 1997 UK PLC was doing really quite well. Can't say that about Bliar/Brown's legacy which Miliband inherited.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Russel Brand? :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

:)

Pity (for Miliband especially) that Brand didn't come to the conclusion that he knows nothing about politics before he got himself involved in it. :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

That man is a complete idiot.:rolleyes:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I wonder if his supposedly disciple-like followers feel in the least disappointed?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

You would have to ask them that as to me the man to me represents everything that is wrong with this obsessive celebrity culture we have in this country in building up people who have no talent at all apart from opening their mouth.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Amen to that. :tu:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think Miliband damaged his own chances without the aid of Russell Brand. After all, he lost the election *despite* Cameron's government being in power while a record number of people are using food banks, prices are going up (with the Government seeming unwilling or unable to tackle them), especially food. Unemployment is going down, but seemingly as a result of low paid jobs or zero hour contracts, so we don't know what the actual figure is. We also have a Government that his introduced a tax that would seem to massively penalise benefits claimants while not really affecting the rich (the bedroom tax). These are *all* things any halfway decent opposition leader should be able to use as weapons against the incumbent Prime Minister, and possibly even force a vote of no confidence. After all, despite 5 years of severe cuts, the debt is *still* worse under David Cameron than it was under Labour.

Ed (along with the entire Labour leadership) has failed to do ANYTHING with all of those.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think that Labour need someone strong enough to take on Cameron. As the way things are going, we will have a General Strike by the Summer.

The aggro started just a day after Cameron got elected, with a demo outside Downing street.

My own opinion is that the ones that have come forward are NOT strong enough. It would be nice to have a woman though

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Arthur! Nice to see you again, assume you have been drinking heavily and then took part in the demo yesterday?*

Who would you like to see lead the party then?

*To be clear, that was meant as a joke, not an insult.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Unfortunately they were spending no more above receipts than Germany or France, less in fact, so that doesn't seem to work.

It also didn't seem too effective for the Conservatives. Despite their having run a structural deficit every year between 1979 and 1997.

I'm thinking Blair's success was partly due to the poor quality of the opposition.

Charts on debt-GDP ratios 97 - 2006:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/05/17.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/05/18.png

Incidentally we still had a lower debt to GDP ratio than Germany or France in 2010, too, when debt consolidation actually began under Darling. It was accelerated in 2011, then backed off of again in 2013/14 to try and buy the 2015 election.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Dan Jarvis rules himself out of race.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10240221.html

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

That's a shame IMHO but I can understand why.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Do you remember the Tories rioting in Whitehall in 2005 when Tony Blair won with 35% of the vote - no, you don't, because it didn't happen......

Sore losers - move on.....

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

FGS a general strike against a properly elected government just because the unions couldn't get their puppet in #10. Ain't going to happen.

That's just the loony left being sore losers. 12 arrested and I hope they throw the book at them especially the one that defaced the memorial.


There's talk of Labour abandoning the electoral college that gives the unions so much say over the leader and moving to one man, one vote. Party members only.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

:tu:

People like Arthur have selective memories and always take the easy option of blaming other folks and simply making stuff up. There's far more intimidation, aggression and vitriol emanating from that direction but still they bang on about 'nasty' Tories. It's pathetic.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Can't disagree with that.

But as far as the leadership of the party is concerned, it should be the person with the best talent and views that are representative of the people they stand for, regardless of gender, race, colour, etc.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

But not Diane Abbott or Harriet Harman eh? Both sent their kids to selective, fee-paying grammar schools whilst insisting that the riff-raff (all the hard working people) send their kids to state schools.

It would surely contradict your principles.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Its no good preaching to others if they can't preach to themselves.

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David Miliband criticises brother's election approach.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32697212

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Neither nerd nor the two-faced are fit to represent the working class. It may take 10 years to find a leader for Labour who is true to the values he/she is to represent.

There's no-one currently available.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Most of those in the poll are too solidly connected with the years of failure and / or unions to be representative of the working people of this country IMO.

It'll need new blood that doesn't come from the public school elite that have never done a days hard work in their lives but from the school of hard knocks and are self made successes.

No obvious candidates spring to mind. :(

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Dennis Skinner :) Cameron would ? His pants over the despatch box

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Stephen Kinnock will do:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10238265.html

I sure he's really in touch with the working man... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

We'll see. I think Liz Kendell is probably the best bet so far. Centrist and not associated with the previous cabinets.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

That'll be the Liz Kendell who is a former special adviser to Harman (gawd)...she's studied history at Cambridge and no doubt fancies herself as God's gift to the NHS now that she's learned a bit about it. Can't see how she's any more qualified than the rest of the crummy crop.

Nope, the Labour Party need someone vocational with passion and principles and a broader grasp of the concept of the party ethos along the lines of:
Anyone got a magic wand?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I keep saying......Rusel Brand :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Looks more like a swivel-eyed loony.:erm:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He's not the political messiah then? The long hair, beard and piercings are purely co-incidental... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well Alan Sugar's not particularly interested anymore. He's 'fired' Labour:

http://labourlist.org/2015/05/lord-s...-labour-party/

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Chuka is on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32706038

jetrosexual

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...urs-Obama.html

gorgeous?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ka-Umunna.html

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

A privately educated graduate whose work experience is that of a solicitor in a city law firm and who has no first hand experience of the problems of raising a family in modern day Britain. As a leader of the working class, he has failure written all over him.

He may be able to save his soul by visiting that capitalist Russell Brand to get the support of the twittering classes or whatever other social media tripe he plays with. Depends how low he's prepared to crawl.

'Man of the people' my arse :sleep:.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Funny you should say that: Labour lost the working-class vote a long time ago

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I predict David Milliband will be the new Labour leader in three years time.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Yes despite his interview yesterday my hunch is he will return as he has a clause in his contract to leave his charity work.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Brendan O'Neil, a right wing columnist, you would expect him to write this sort of rubbish. Goes with the other rubbish he has written for the Spectator ..

I like this expose of Mr O'Neil:

Brendan O’Neill Is A Knob

and the sequel:

Brendan O’Neill Is Still A Knob

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

The Labour Party was formed for the purpose of equality. Many people for one reason or another, especially the young, no longer see this as relevant to them. Party leaders are now city careerists adept at arguing the minutiae because it's a job not a vocation.

A weak opposition isn't healthy; especially as our fickle electorate might return it to government one day. If they get the leadership wrong this time, they may see a drubbing of LibDem proportions.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Its amazing how many experts after political parties have not done well at General Elections always seem to predict the demise of parties as l remember in 1992 they predicted the demise of the Labour party and then in 1997 they predicted the demise of the Conservative party but as we know things don't usually turn out like that.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

They also predicted that we were entering an age of coalitions. Nick Clegg seemed to really believe he would be the kingmaker, right up until Friday morning.

Funny how things turn out.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Personally l think it could take the Liberal Democrats 20 years plus to recover but that's only my opinion as others might have a different view.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think the way Clegg turned on Cameron was what made people decide to shun the Liberals. Had he not done that, then I do believe that there could have been another Con/Lib coalition. But ho hum, I'm pleased it is a majority government.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Do you reckon Gary is too? After his predictions of dire consequences for DC and the Tories, he seems to have gone awol for some reason. Maybe he's paddling away in a leaky dinghy on the way to Libya to claim asylum...

:D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

The greatest damage to the Lib Dems was done when Nick Clegg’s broke the party's promise on university tuition fees which massively undermined them in the eyes of voters.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Miliband lost because 3million 'lazy' Labour supporters didn't bother to vote, says pollster IpsosMORI

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3a3MTwUrB

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Maybe it was just 3 million supporters who finally realised that Labour are rubbish. :)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think it may still be the case we see more of them than usual. I think we have a more diverse electorate who are more selective in their voting. I believe this was still the lowest combined vote share of the two main parties ...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I accidently locked myself in the boot of the car. and didn't get rescued till today.

glad to see Clegg the sponger go.
as Chris said. he was really banking on joining a gang again.
loser!

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Andy Burnham what a loser!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32714809

see 11 seconds of his video, shoot the director!

see his campaign idiotic video...since when john lewis's shoppers are a people's class?

because it is a crappy internet shop (see ratings)?
because it shares its profits with the employees?
or because it owns overpriced Waitrose?

(And I hate waitrose on eurostar!)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He certainly ain't the answer that's for sure.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Out of Cooper and Burnham, I'd back Cooper.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Finding a decent leader amongst this lot is likely to be about as productive as panning for gold in the Regent's canal. Just like so many of his colleagues, Burnham is a condescending git.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Andy Burnham has, however, proven his ability to chuck a civil service approved speech in the bin and decide on an issue for himself, when confronted with public opinion. Just ask any of the families of the Hillsborough 96. He has God-like status around Merseyside, where admittedly they would vote for a monkey in a red rosette anyway, but you get the idea. If he can play on the compassionate man of the people thing, he may do well.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Link to full story

If Labour lurches further to the left it will be out of power for a generation, not just a parliamentary term. Len, the people DID get Labour's mild lefty message and they rejected it. More left, less votes.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I would like to see Diane Abbot back in the running as the last leadership was 2 brothers and her so there wasnt really much choice.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

She sent her son to a fee-paying private school despite her supposed desire for a 'fairer and egalitarian society'.

What a hypocrite.

She was critical of Tony Blair and Harriet Harman for doing the same.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

She even said that black mothers would 'know the position she was in'.

Hah! When in a hole, stop digging Diane.

Nick Tuition Clegg is more trustworthy. A leopard never changes its spots.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Just another Labour toff who pretends she isn't.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Personally l would have liked Dan Jarvis to throw his name into the ring but alas that's not going to happen so perhaps l; should throw myself into the ring if l can get a proposer and seconder.;):D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

As a general rule I prefer not to have racists leading political parties.

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Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He would have been a credible leader untainted by the Blier years or cohorts and not a secret toff either.

I think they'll go with Andy Burnham as he's a union fav especially if the unions manage to get enough "members" signed up in the revised leadership voting system. If they do then expect the Torys to be in power for a long time.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

How come the public has seemingly forgotten about the Mid Staffs hospital crisis and Andy Burnham's role in it? The decision to try to cover it up rather than get on and deal with the problem speaks volumes.

And the NHS was safer in Labour's hands? Yeah, yeah! :rolleyes:

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True, but what most people seem to ignore is that they didn't have a choice as they were part of a Coalition. The Tories wouldn't have gone along with it so the numbers didn't add up.

So the Lib Dems went for the next best thing. Very grown up, the kind of politics that is sadly deficient in so many different areas.