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Arthurgray50@blu 27-04-2015 12:35

Dogs face DNA tests over street mess
 
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-...-by-dna-tests/

I have heard some ludicrous ideas over the years, but this is the most stupid idea going.

Many councils have said that they will clamp down on people spitting, throwing chewing gum on the floor. Are they enforcing it - NOT in Hounslow where l live.

Now, they will pay someone to go around and testing dog crap for DNA, and then prosecute the dog owner.

What a waste of money, if they have money to burn, they can probably spend it on cleaning our streets properly, and getting rid of contractors who are useless.

When contractors come down my road, there is more rubbish on the street after they have been

Paul 27-04-2015 12:39

re: Dogs face DNA tests over street mess
 
No its one of the best ideas, its about time these owners got fined for letting their dogs mess up the streets, good for them.

Russ 27-04-2015 12:41

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Barking and Dagenham look set to become the first council in the UK to use the technique to identify owners, who could then face fines of up to £80.
:D

Chris 27-04-2015 12:43

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DNA tests are quick and easy to do now. I think this is a great idea. There are few things worse all over a pavement than dog mess. It's not as if the message hasn't got out, either. There are dog poo bins all over the place now, and the sight of responsible dog owners carrying little poly bags is commonplace. There is no excuse for not cleaning up.

MalteseFalcon 27-04-2015 12:54

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About time, if I had my way dogs would go the same way as the dodo.

Russ 27-04-2015 12:59

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I know a few blind people who may object to that.

denphone 27-04-2015 13:00

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Personally l think its a good idea.

l think you will find that for many pets are part of the family Mark so they certainly won't go the way of the dodo.

Chris 27-04-2015 13:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35774122)
I know a few blind people who may object to that.

Presumably if they already have some sort of an exemption, they will continue to do so.

dilli-theclaw 27-04-2015 13:28

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35774126)
Presumably if they already have some sort of an exemption, they will continue to do so.

Blind people are expected to clean up after their guide dogs - it's part of the training course.

Kymmy 27-04-2015 13:39

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35774117)
DNA tests are quick and easy to do now. I think this is a great idea. There are few things worse all over a pavement than dog mess. It's not as if the message hasn't got out, either. There are dog poo bins all over the place now, and the sight of responsible dog owners carrying little poly bags is commonplace. There is no excuse for not cleaning up.

Costs and enforcement\legality of the database would be my issues.. I'm a dog owner and always carry dump bags but what happens if for instance I visit Barking and get stopped next to a fresh pooh that my dog hasn't done. Who pays for the DNA cost? What right will they have to stop and DNA my dog?

Its a case of assumed guilty before you have committed a crime. It's why police can't arrest\fingerprint\dna test you until after they have arrested you and only arrest you with some sort of proof.

Chris 27-04-2015 13:59

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I suspect the use of DNA will be for persistent offenders, and an addition to current methods rather than a replacement. As for the cost, I can't see any reason to suspect this will be borne by anybody other than the investigating council.

Kabaal 27-04-2015 14:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35774137)
I suspect the use of DNA will be for regular offenders

That's better :p:

Stephen 27-04-2015 14:38

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Its a great idea!

That council alone spends £2 million a year cleaning the streets of dog mess, so this should prove cheaper and eventually those cleaning costs will drop dramatically.

The article mentions that DNA could be taken at the same time aas chipping which would be a cost effective way to gether the data.

Quote:

  • The council is working out the best way to register the DNA of each dog in the borough
  • Samples could be taken at the same time dogs are microchipped, which becomes a legal requirement from April 2016
  • Collecting DNA involves a cheek swab which is taken from the dog and sent to a laboratory
  • The dog's profile is then added to a DNA registry

If an owner fails to pick up the mess after their dog, a quick test will be taken from the offending faeces which can be traced back to a registered dog with 99.9 per cent accuracy, according to the council.


Gary L 27-04-2015 14:42

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Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35774127)
Blind people are expected to clean up after their guide dogs - it's part of the training course.

What happens when they accidently tread in it whilst they're looking for it?

Chavs don't like picking up their dogs mess. it's not cool.
same as walking their grannies poodle.

ianch99 27-04-2015 14:48

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Are the owners of these dogs that are fouling the streets likely to chip/register them? There may be a sizeable minority that will avoid chipping for this reason .. Most responsible dog owners are very concious of the need to clean up after their pets.

TheDaddy 27-04-2015 15:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35774122)
I know a few blind people who may object to that.

Just don't tell them, they may never find out until it's to late :)

---------- Post added at 16:01 ---------- Previous post was at 16:00 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35774132)
Costs and enforcement\legality of the database would be my issues.. I'm a dog owner and always carry dump bags but what happens if for instance I visit Barking and get stopped next to a fresh pooh that my dog hasn't done. Who pays for the DNA cost? What right will they have to stop and DNA my dog?

Its a case of assumed guilty before you have committed a crime. It's why police can't arrest\fingerprint\dna test you until after they have arrested you and only arrest you with some sort of proof.

That's a bone of contention for sure :)

Taf 27-04-2015 15:42

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So there is a national database of dog DNA now?

techguyone 27-04-2015 16:21

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35774159)
So there is a national database of dog DNA now?


If there isn't, it makes the whole DNA test bit a bit pointless really. (I'd like to see a proper DNA register for all dogs+ insurance. micro chipping etc too) but I'd as likely walk on the moon before any politicians do anything to upset our nation of 'dog lovers'

Kymmy 27-04-2015 16:25

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35774163)
If there isn't, it makes the whole DNA test bit a bit pointless really. (I'd like to see a proper DNA register for all dogs+ insurance. micro chipping etc too) but I'd as likely walk on the moon before any politicians do anything to upset our nation of 'dog lovers'

Humans cause more issues than dogs so let's chip them and put everyone on a DNA database.

Uncle Peter 27-04-2015 17:23

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35774151)
That's a bone of contention for sure :)

Not to mention that it would be woof justice

Russ 27-04-2015 17:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35774126)
Presumably if they already have some sort of an exemption, they will continue to do so.

I was referring to the post before mine....

techguyone 27-04-2015 18:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35774164)
Humans cause more issues than dogs so let's chip them and put everyone on a DNA database.

Dog lover I guess..

Last time I checked, we didn't tend to have people squatting down in the street and taking a dump in the UK ...

Lets stick to that topic rather than try to address the woes of Mankind right?

Russ 27-04-2015 18:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35774181)

Last time I checked, we didn't tend to have people squatting down in the street and taking a dump in the UK ...

Never been to Merthyr Tydfil then...

---------- Post added at 19:23 ---------- Previous post was at 19:21 ----------

Or Swansea...

Arthurgray50@blu 27-04-2015 18:40

Re: Dogs face DNA tests over street mess
 
Lets put it this way, l have seen people urinate in the street, crap in the street. And even on a CCTV in a shopping mall.

A woman in full dress and face hidden stood up against a wall and did a crap - and police are still trying to find her.

To me you have to get a Dog Warden, yes there are a few about by council. He gets a stick and places in the crap and then takes DNA.

I am a great animal lover, and yes, we both carry bags for the mess. BUT what about owners who don't give a damn.

I would rather have another 'cash making way' of hitting people. Like chewing gum and rubbish throwing.

TheDaddy 27-04-2015 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35774181)
Dog lover I guess..

Last time I checked, we didn't tend to have people squatting down in the street and taking a dump in the UK ...

Lets stick to that topic rather than try to address the woes of Mankind right?

Didn't Paula Radcliffe do just that during the marathon not so long ago, live for our viewing pleasure to boot

Gary L 27-04-2015 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35774189)
A woman in full dress and face hidden stood up against a wall and did a crap - and police are still trying to find her.

There's some strange police about.

Stephen 27-04-2015 18:52

Re: Dogs face DNA tests over street mess
 
People already get fined for littering Arthur.

Also is there anything you haven't done or seen?

Personally its a great idea and once the chipping law comes in to effect then collecting DNA at the same time wouldn't really be much extra work.

Its not so much a cash making plan, it will save councils a lot of money in terms of cleaning the mess up and also surely it will make dog owners think twice about not cleaning up in future!

Russ 27-04-2015 19:29

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And today, as if by magic....http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...opping-5592154

Stuart 28-04-2015 14:12

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35774204)

And, from that link:

Quote:

The driver told licensing chiefs he had assumed the position to inspect a wound after ‘cutting himself shaving’.

Because, of course, you get a fair clearer image of any area you might have cut shaving by squatting down by the roadside than you might by looking in the rear-view or wing mirrors, and the wing mirrors are obviously not visible from the driver's seat.

Russ 28-04-2015 14:28

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Depends on what he claims he was shaving....

Stuart 28-04-2015 15:34

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True..


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