Council cuts - why Cameron has to go
 

Read this http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-...cuts-his-care/

Here is a guy, that fought for his country, and with all the cuts. Are you watching and reading, all you Tory lovers.

Who think we should have another five years of Cameron. Yes, councils are making cuts because of Governments severe cuts.

And this is what is happening

This country should hold its head in shame:mad:

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The ones who should be holding their heads in shame, are the ones with memories so short they have already forgotten how LABOUR made the mess the Tories have spent the last five years fixing.*

Only a complete fool would so quickly hand the keys back to the one who crashed the car.

* With occasional help and plenty of obstruction from the Lib Dums, of course.

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I fail to see what this has to do with Cameron directly??

The gentleman's local council want to move him to a care home as getting carers out to him on a daily basis is too costly for them.

So the headline stating he is being forced out his home is a bit OTT. He would be moved to a care home which at the age of 96 isn't too much of an issue I feel. Headline makes it sound like he will be left homeless which is not the case at all.

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We have a Labour council that has refused to freeze council rates and help local people with lower bills and instead increased them.
On top of this they have cut services which could have better been managed instead and spent money on their own parties advertising.

Labour your a disgrace, you offer nothing but cheap rebukes and the threat of more borrowing to meet your insane ideas of what this country deems to be important.

Why won't you offer the people a referrendum on Europe Milliband !!!!!!!!

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I remember the last mess the Tories got us in under Thatcher, - interest rates at 14.5% - Black Friday etc. - John Major who was he. Now we have the Bankers to thank the crises they created world wide.

Council rates have risen and cuts are still made.

As for the top 100 company bosses saying Labour would be bad if they were elected are talking out of their bottoms.

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Our Tory councils (Borough and county) have managed to keep the tax frozen or only tiny increases (Police precept) and maintain services by good housekeeping and amalgamating departments where possible.

A simple example is refuse collection where Worthing and Adur boroughs combined the services, saved £millions and we still have our weekly bin collections.:)

Because Labour inherently don't like democracy and like to decide what's good for you.

In a vain attempt to stay in the Euro snake, the forrunner of the EURO. A policy that had full Labour support as I recall.:p:

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Paying no attention to facts - why Arthur has to go on the ignore list.

Seriously, anything to have a bash at Cameron with you Arthur. We get you are a Labour voter, but this bashing of Cameron is getting old news now. You vote for who you want to and we will vote for who WE want to vote for.

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Mostly by Labour councils who cant manage finances properly.

I think the captains of sucessful industries that give jobs to many millions and pay taxes to provide the services that you value are in a better position to judge which political party is better for business than you are.

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But.......it's a Labour council

This is also a council that has enough money to feel that is can offer £50,461 - £54,977 for the post of Assistant Headteacher for Inclusion Whatever the hell one of those is :dozey:

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There you go, bringing facts into a perfectly good anti Cameron rant.

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Business bosses will be there whoever wins this election and they do have power to wield from taking on extra business and staff in the UK to getting p*ss*d off with Labour and taking it overseas.
Labour do not do Finance well - FACT whether council or government, they overspend and overborrow, yes depts need more money the NHS needs more money but it has to be paid for and they can never see that.
Whoever came to power in 2010 was left with a massive bill to settle and austerity has hurt and will go on hurting until we can manage our deficit whilst keeping core services properly financed and paid for.

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I bet it's a council stuffed with PC non-jobs on fat salaries. That's where cuts can be made without hurting tax payers.

I wonder how many of Brent council staff are being paid more than the prime minister..:scratch:

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The council are already contributing £350 a week to his costs.

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Who borrowed more in five years than labour did in thirteen, who doubled the national debt, take a bow Gideon, labour might not be any good with the cash but don't think Dave and his chums are any better

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You're great value, I'll give you that ...

Seeing as Gideon inherited massive financial liabilities, put there by Labour, is it your suggestion that he should somehow have shaken the magic money tree and paid for everything without use of borrowing or spending cuts?

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The initial level of spending and borrowing was set by LABOUR. The spending for 2010/11 would have been set by LABOUR. Not much could be done about that as the departmental budgets would have already been set. In 1997 Labour inherited a good situation and initially they continued with Conservative spending plans. Then they started borrowing to increase spending and that was long before 2008. Look at all the squeals about austerity because of the past excessive spending by LABOUR.
How many more times does this have to be pointed out?:mad:

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Massive liabilities including bank bailouts that Gideon doubled whilst telling us that we had to go into austerity and spending cuts, you might think I'm good value but I think anyone taken in by any political party at the moment is better value, not to mention pretty gullible

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To pay off this debt which Labour caused (and was not down to the global meltdown despite what they say), you only have certain methods to control it:-

A) Borrow more
B) Cut services
C) Raise taxes.

The tories have done a mixture of all 3 but have a plan to balance the budget. Labour harp on about the mansion tax and taxing the rich even more which can only be taken so far and could lead to the richest leaving this country and taking their money with them to more favorable areas of the globe. Their plan as usual does not add up.

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There were massive liabilities even excluding bank bailouts. It also was happening BEFORE any bank bailouts and recession.

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Spot on. People seem to forget just how corrupt the whole system is.

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Let them take it and sod off.

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I think people in general are becoming more aware these days of the current system only offering bad or worse when it comes to political parties. Sadly the days are gone where we stand up and demand better, now we just go with the lesser of x evils.

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How many budgets has Gideon had now and it's still the other showers fault he's talking about doing something about the debt crisis by 2017 and if he doesn't it'll still be their fault

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...onal-debt.html

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My local authority by the way a Labour one for over 90 years is in a severe financial position, yes the government is making cuts but the authority will not make any staff redundancies, instead they are increasing council tax and decreasing the services they provide. I did some research a few months ago and my local authority appears to employ one hell of a lot more than similar size (population) authorities in England. (Labour and Conservative)

I guess it only goes to prove that they are desperate not to lose what they are well known for, the old saying was that Welsh Labour had the greatest number of civil servants this side of the iron curtain.

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With the shambles left by Labour it's not surprising that debt has increased.

I'm curious: You're criticising the increase in the deficit. Given that our economic growth is currently the best in the EU, historically higher than the UK average, that is providing realistically the maximum revenues from that source, what your preferred method of squaring the circle is: Increased taxes and/or deeper cuts?

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My god the Tory lovers on this forum.

Put it this way, When evil Thatcher came into power. She ripped this country to pieces. This is why people were delighted when she got ousted.

What is happening now is that Government levies to council is that they have to CUT finance

Under the Tories, there is now a reduction on A&E DEPARTMENTS, council services - this is down to the Government cuts.

This NOT Labours faults. It was said in the debate with Paxman. That Osborne BORROWED MORE money than Labour ever did.

This poor guy, is a fighter. He fault for his country, and deserves ten times better than the treatment he is getting now.

Why, should he use his own savings to pay for care - its not right

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We are a democracy Arthur and as such people are allowed to have their view as you are even if you don't like their views as remember there are people out their who disagree with your views just like you disagree with their's.

By the way l am not a Tory lover but then again l am not enamoured by the others either.

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Arthur getting his facts wrong again or just ignoring them.

I have never voted Conservative and never will. I am labour through and through, same as my father.

However you fail to listen to folk. That council is labour and they are simply doing what they have to do. Others have to pay their own fees so why should the council pay when there are cheaper options around.

I am not being harsh, just honest.

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what does this man need -3 meals a day. a little help getting around someone to talk to, a little love -these are all things his own family can provide :(

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Didn't you get the memo. It's not the job of the family to take care of their own anymore. It is the states responsibility ( I.e. You and me) to look after everyone.

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We don't live in an ideal world.

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i thought the way it worked was i pay the bills/ wipe bottoms/ clean up puke/ run the royal bank of dad etc etc and if i get to the stage when i need a return on my investment my children would step in and help .

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I'm curious when isn't it labours fault anymore in 2017 when Gideon still hasn't done anything about it or after thirteen years like when labour were still blaming the tories for everything.

In answer to your question I'm not responsible for squaring any circles if I were I'd prefer to start with looking at the amount of money government departments waste and the sneaky methods companies and individuals use to get out of paying what's due, the crazy thing is if we devoted as much time to that as we did persecuting the sick we might actually be in the black each month than the red, another thing that I'd look at is why more people are claiming benefits in work than those with no work, that's a circle in need of squaring but instead of doing any thing more substantial with any of these issues they'd rather skip round the peripheries of them and have us believe that every one with a spare room or disability is a ponce.

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He needs a lot more than that
So needs a lot of help getting round and probably everytime he needs to use the toilet, so needs the 24 hr live in carer, thats something his family can't possibly provide.

I am well aware as I am in a similar position with my mum who has advanced Alzheimer's and we as a family have looked after her as long as possible but now need help as we can't possibly cope. eg if my Dad wants to go play gold then one of us needs to be in the house for before she gets up to make sure she gets showered, fed and doesn't try to leave the house as she loves to get out and walk. Thats hard going if I or anyone else needs to go to work or has other plans.

She actually ran away in Feb and was gone for 9 hours. My dad today was looking at care homes because its getting way to hard to look after her and still keep himself in good health and get his normal business dealt with.

So I imagine that the son mentioned in the story can't possibly commit to round the clock care. So IMO a home with carers and staff there all the time is probably a better option for him too.

The guy is 96 and being wheelchair bound as well as blind and partially deaf needs constant care nevermind keeping the house clean and tidy so I do get why they would be suggesting he goes to a home.

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Surely, if he needs that level of care he should move to a facility that can provide it instead of staying at home and expecting 1-1 care to be provided by the local authority.

I do not believe the LA are in the wrong here.

Exactly. Usual tripe of a story, when you break it down there are no "evil" cuts impacting it.

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Arthur. Please never change. :D

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I look at it this way, Here is a proud man who fought for his country. He is 96, and any move could possibly kill him. Due to a change of environment. He wants to stay where he is safe. What is wrong with that.

It is really sad when a person who has paid into this countries finances, doesn't get the care and dignity that he deserves.

This what is totally wrong with the care to the elderly in this country, as soon as they reach a certain age, the authorities just pass you to one side. And it should be ashamed of themself

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You are correct. Just don't blame the tories for this.

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I wonder if Lottery Funding would be granted or Help for Heroes? The Council, to be fair, has a responsibility to its taxpayers and other beneficiaries.

More helpful to find a solution than to argue the toss about which Political Party are to 'blame'. A more productive thread would have sought ideas from the very informed contributors here rather than to go for the Tory jugular imho.

Start here Arthur. :)

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As opposed to the Labour lovers, like you. ;)

By people, you mean those pesky labour voters I presume ?

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Being a Labour voter, l am proud that a Labour party WILL look after the working people of this country.

Look at it this way, major stores who have big boss's that donate money to the Tories. Have workers that produce the goods that that company sells.

The workers produce the goods that, and probably get a pocksey wage. to go with it.

Yes, these companies provide jobs. BUT you work to live, not the other way round. Look at the Bedroom Tax, that wasn't even talked about last night. It was brought out by the Tories. They wont talk about the Mansion Tax as it will effect millionaires that pays into the Tory coffers.

I wish Nicola Sturgeon was our PM, she spoke more about the people - than Cameron or Miliband said together.

We have to have a party that looks after the workers of this country, not the rich who think we from the gutter

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You really don't seem to know your own mind, Arthur. Just before the last election you said:

But 18 months after your Lib Dem MP went into coalition with the Tories, you were insisting:

So, are you a strong Labour voter who doesn't vote Labour, (especially when they field crap candidates from Hounslow), a non-Labour voter who does vote Labour, or something else entirely? :spin:

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Blimey you stalking him? That was years ago and he stated why, I mean, Hounslow

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I have a good memory, and in any case, that's one of my all-time favourite Arthur quotes. :D

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Gawd, I cotton on slowly. You don't actually give a bugger about the old bloke who might have to leave his house, you just want a political football to kick. Compassion doesn't come into it. :sleep:

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its not in his job description ;)

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I have worked all my life and I can honestly say Labour have never looked after me. As a single person who left school during the Thatcher years I took advantage of the good employment opportunities. I went about things the hard way, I worked my way up from the bottom to achieve a well paid job and at 20 started a pension plan put as much as I can away for my retirement. That is something the party of 'Spite and Envy' (Labour) and many of their supporters resent.

As I don't qualify for something for nothing, I am better off under any Tory government than I have ever been under a Labour government.

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The old bloke is just today's handy internet prop for people who want to prove their moral superiority by sharing a tweet or signing an online petition. They'll all have forgotten him by next week.

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I fixed that for you Arthur :D

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Alicia don't look very well.

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its camerons fault ;)

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That's almost sigable, what others you got tucked away?