Heartbreaking Picture of War
 

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/03/3.jpg

From Here

Words fail me... :(

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Equally moving imo, the apparently broken spirit of a starving 8 year old girl, and an attendant vulture, in the Sudan. As I recall, the photographer later regretted not helping her and took his own life.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/70.jpg

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This is a happy thread.

Really cheered me up.

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From the title I'd say not..but you didn't have to look. Please spare me the "you missed the irony of my post" as well. I don't believe there is anything happy about war.

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Nor do I. It wasn't irony either, it was sarcasm.

I know there is suffering in the world, it's a reality you can't escape from, but i could have done without the "my picture is more distressing than your picture" one up man ship displayed above.

What's the next one going to be? ISIS beheading a kid?

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That's war for you no good to man or beast. Stupid human race.

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Your posts cheer me up, no seriously the really do....

If you wanted a cheery thread why click on one called 'heart breaking picture of war'?

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Like I said before wasn't really the first photo that bothered me.

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Ah there's another one I can't see, gotcha

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Sorry Pierre, didn't mean to upset you. The World is a tough old place eh?

No one-upmanship intended btw; in fact, the first words of my post were "Equally moving..." implying a parity in the visual effect of the tragedies that occurred in different parts of the World and for differing reasons.

I just thought that anyone on the forum who hadn't seen Kevin Carter's Pulitzer prize winning image might be interested. The picture was taken in 1994 and it has had extensive exposure on the internet.

I empathise with your reaction. When I first saw the image it made quite an impact on me; I suspect it will make an impact on others too.

The thread title seemed to offer appropriate warning.

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I honestly believe that Mp's of any country should not have the power to send people into wars. It should be put to the people who are going to be the cannon fodder in that war to decide if its a just war. Mp's send people to there deaths but if they would have to go themselves it would be a different matter.

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i doubt many mp's would be willing to send their own children to their deaths as easily as they send ours

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Sorry but having been in the original desert storm these images are simplistic in that all conflict effect man, woman and child whether they be against you or not..

Perhaps if the governments of these persons in the images posted cared as much then these images would not exist.

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Indeed :tu:

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Dont read it then, the title is pretty damn obvious as to what will be in it. :dozey:

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This is true he took his own life, but for some reason which i cannot remember he was not allowed to help or intervene in anyway.

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He took his own life a year after the picture was taken so doubtful that the image was the cause.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

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Money problems seem to have been the overriding factor although he does say "I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings and corpses and anger and pain ... of starving or wounded children" in the note he left so the horrors of his experiences had weighed upon him.

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That's why I liked Richard III, hullaballoo about having young princes killed aside at least he had the testicular fortitude to get on his horse and have it, imagine Dave or bliar leading from the front like that no far easier to send other peoples children to do the fighting and dying

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Richard lost the propaganda war because he conveniently died.Whatever we hear about him now has to be very carefully weighed and considered especially as many sources were tainted by his successors.

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Details of that battle and his conduct therein are accurate

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Yes, but all the Shakespeare stuff was written to get on the right side of the Tudors....

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Who wrote the details and when?

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FFS how many times ? any chance of you coming up with an original comment :dozey:

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For an educator I'm surprised you don't think historians would use contemporary accounts of those that were there and research them enough to be able to eliminate the biased or unreliable sources. Even Wikipedia lists four contemporary accounts.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battl...TEREFAdams2002

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Lucky for bill no one decided to stick up for their grandmother then wasn't it

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Just because a source is contemporary does not necessarily mean that they are truthful or accurate. It was not the time of fast global news as now and not everyone was concerned with writing the truth..indeed it might well be dangerous to put an independent viewpoint forward..

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It was nothing to do with the image. It was the fact that he could have helped the child but was prevented from doing so and evidently the child died.

I have been unfortunate in my life to have seen a child in an open top coffin.

An Ex work collegue lost his son aged 4 and seeing that image i mean it really hit me and i was not myself for weeks as i kept seeing him laying there and asking myself did i offer enough support to my friend and his wife and so on.

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But when the contemporary sources say the same thing in spite of supporting different sides and tally with independent foreign accounts especially when it's potentially detrimental to them how much more proof is actually needed.

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You just have to preface anything you say that it was thought by some and end it with the suggestion that some sources need to be viewed with discretion. The teaching of history has become based on actually looking at sources by eye witness and contemporary non eye witness(hearsay) and later hearsay.Just because something is written down does not make it a truth.

It's no different than checking facts online today..you have to bear in mind the agenda someone might have in slewing information to convey a certain viewpoint as fact.

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And you really don't think modern day historians haven't done that, really?

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As you already know the internet has allowed all sorts of conspiracies to flourish..and viewing the third rate documentaries on the History and Geographic Channels it's never going to be any other way.

After all historians cannot ever be 100% sure.it has to be, could be,might be,possibly may have. It's not an exact subject.There is no right and wrong, only might have been..

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I for one don't watch TV, historians can't be 100% sure where the battlefield was but what they all agree on is how he died, in fact I've never read an account that differs to much and I certainly don't tend to hand over my hard earned to to amateur authors mind you if the experts are so wrong then they probably shouldn't be professors of history anywhere let alone at some of our most esteemed universities

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Hey all I'm saying is you need to keep an open mind and that historians change their minds all the time plus new sources/evidence surfaces all the time.
That is my last words..and sorry to be annoying to you but it's the educator in me to try and present more than one side of the story.