Terrorist Netanyahu Re-elected
 

Desparately bad news from Israel as the incumbent warmonger Netanyahu wins the election.

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A real chance for peace has been lost as the Zionist Union fail to win enough votes.

Cue more settlements on stolen land etc.

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At least he's someone who will do what needs to be done to protect Israel :shrug:

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Elected by the people in a fair and free election with open opposition parties able to put their alternatives, unlike most of the leaders in the middle east.

In what way does the OP consider him to be a terrorist?

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Yay, an open, free and fair election has occurred in a middle eastern country where all electors were able to cast their votes without fear of intimidation based on their ethnic or religious identity.

What was the topic again?

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Terrorist? it's the other mob that are firing missiles into civilian areas then demanding a truce when they run out of rockets. A truce that only lasts until they get more missiles.

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Indeed, rockets whose only guidance is to be pointed roughly in the direction of civillians and sent on their way with the express desire to kill innocents.

But I was curious why the OP included Terrorist in the title when there is no mention in the linked source?

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Who is the terrorist is depends on your perspective. Although I think Israel won the recent "killing innocents" crown: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/04/wo...vilian-deaths/

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Both sides have terrorists.

Israel carries out terrorist attacks on Netanyahu's orders.

He has no desire to seek a peaceful solution unlike the opposition who unfortunately failed to secure enough votes.

Had the Zionist party got in, they would have recognised Palestine as a state and stopped the building of settlements on stolen land.

The people of Israel have missed a golden opportunity and that's a great shame.

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One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. It all depends on the perspective that one views a conflict.

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Agreed ,in this instance though the only conclusion to draw is that the people of Israel do not want peace with Palestine or they would have voted for someone who would have ended the conflict

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Difficult to trust a neighbor who insists in lobbing rockets over the border though even when you agree a cease-fire.

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There is that ,but I wouldn't say that Israel is blameless either

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:tu:

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Palestine doesn't want peace with Israel, they only want its total annihilation.

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Palestine does not exist, which is the problem. Not as black and white as you paint, only some of the Palestinians wish war with Israel. I suspect the majority just want to live their lives in peace as we are able to do.

If your land was taken from you illegally, you would be pretty angry.

There are extremists on both sides and these are the ones with the voice and the power. The peaceful majority just suffer the consequences.

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If your land was taken from you illegally, you would be pretty angry.

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Exactly, Netanyahu has stated that he will increase building on settlement land as soon as he gets elected

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Hilarious.

Oh yeah.... There is that. But Israel are bad too......

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"Palestine" is the bits of Egypt and Jordan that Egypt and Jordan don't want.

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Isn't it also the part that the people there want to be a state?

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Most people in Glasgow and Dundee want to be a state. It's more complex than that.

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In the same way the Turkish pm considers him to be perhaps

http://rt.com/news/222955-israel-massacre-gaza-paris/

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Doesn't sound very open or fair

http://972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-i...mocracy/58756/

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That's some rather tortured logic.

The blogger writes for a website that states in its opening "about us" paragraph "we oppose the occupation" yet at the same time she chooses to construe Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as citizens who *should* have a vote, which then allows her to concoct a figure that suggests a large percentage of (mostly Palestinian) "citizens" are being denied their democratic rights.

She can't have her cake and eat it.

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But how can they be "Palestinians" for the purpose of the election (so don't have a vote), when Israel doesn't recognise the PalestinIan State?

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I think that's the wrong question. Eligibility to vote in a national general election isn't about the existence or otherwise of a foreign state. It's about who has citizenship of the state holding the election. It is very common for national general elections to extend voting rights to citizens staying abroad and for residents, even permanent, who do not have citizenship, to be excluded. Even Netanyahu doesn't claim that the status of Gaza and the West Bank has been finally settled, one way or the other.

The situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories is complex and trite blogs accusing the Israeli government of disenfranchising people who don't want to live under Israeli government, and in many cases don't even recognise that government's right to exist, are not helpful.

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Democracy isn't limited to a general election every five years and imo when people living less than a mile away have different voting, education, health, welfare, employment and legal rights I'd say they weren't living in a democracy no more than the south Africans were

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So ... You're content to insist the West Bank is occupied territory, and then complain when Israel administers is like an occupied territory?

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So you say saying that as it is an occupied territory, the people there should be treated poorly? What are you actually saying here?

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Are you talking about People living in Gretna and people living Carlisle?

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Where's the voting rights for Palestinians abroad that hold claim to property and land in Israel? Also east Jerusalem isn't considered occupied by Israel nor do they consider the west bank to be anything more than a territorial dispute rather than an occupation

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Oh right, they've devolved powers :dozey:

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What I'm saying here is that neither side has covered itself in glory over the past 67 years, and the synthetic moral outrage that characterises both sides of the debate over Israel and Palestine is both pointless and hypocritical.

For example, "the people there should be treated poorly". What sort of statement is that? To give people who consider themselves occupied a vote on the composition of the occupying state's government? That's fantasy politics by people who prefer to use moral certainty as a comfort blanket rather than dealing with the world as it really is.

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Ah yes, the "right of return".

You do know, don't you, that this most ludicrous of all Palestinian demands has been the one thing that has allowed Israel to avoid reaching terms with them all these years?

If all the Palestinians who had that "right" were able to exercise it, they would immediately become the ethnic majority in Israel, and able to vote the state out of existence at the first opportunity. For that reason, Israel will never, under any circumstances, agree to it.

Incidentally a great many "Palestinians" who claim that right were not born in Israel and have never been there. Go figure.

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It is a statement you were implying .. or were you? Don't dance around the subject, just say if you agree or disagree with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. If you think it is justified, just say so.

The bottom line is that the re-election of Netanyahu is fundamental obstacle to a peaceful resolution of this conflict. He will increase the polarisation of the Israeli and Palestinian position: the illegal land grabs on one side and the pathetic Hamas missile responses on the other will just cement the divide.

The longer this goes on as it is, the more difficult/impossible a peaceful resolution will become. The Palestinian children, growing up in Gaza will become tomorrows suicide bombers attacking Israeli civilians ... sow and ye shall reap .. a saying that seems very apt for this part of the world.

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You are looking for binary answers where none exist. Agree/disagree. Justified/not justified. Sorry, but it isn't that simple, and it is quite naive to expect any meaningful position on an issue to be developed in a few short sentences when the issue has defied the keenest politicians in the world for many decades.

I both understand the Palestinians' demands to right-of-return, and the reasons why Israel will never agree to it.

I understand Israel's need to hold the West Bank as part of a strategy to make its home territory defensible, given the invasions it suffered in 1967 and 1973 and the continuing aspiration of some in the Arab world to "drive Israel into the sea".

I understand the Palestinians demands to have territory under their total and exclusive control, given that that was what was in principle envisaged by the UN prior to the creation of Israel in 1948.

There are pragmatic aims on both sides, and both sides have used highly dubious tactics in pursuit of them. There is no black and white, there is no agree or disagree, and any negotiated settlement to this dispute will have to deal with things as they are. Any attempt to satisfy some perceived moral outrage on one side or the other is doomed to fail.

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It is the failure of the world to clearly articulate (and take action on) what is patently wrong (on both sides) that has contributed to the situation we see today. Some actions (on both sides) are clearly wrong and should be called out as such.

The world's "understanding" doesn't stop the Israeli land grab or the Hamas missiles

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The Palestinian people are caught in the middle and have been for centuries. They are not Arab so the surrounding countries don't really care about them and they especially don't care for the Christian Palestinians.

Most people in the area (as with most people around the world) want to get on and live happily and, like most people around the world, probably would if the war mongers would do everyone a favour and shoot themselves. But there are those war mongers who seek the destruction of "the other side" or at best a forceful response to threats.

And the world/situation is so polarised that you can't leave it to institutions like the UN. Even if the UN were "fair" and made a "fair" judgement it would be very hard to implement. The Jewish people especially are very wary of any such judgement as history has shown that in the long run it really isn't that "fair" at all and nearly always leaves them at a disadvantage. The 1948 vote left Israel as an almost indefensible nation that was immediately attacked and nearly cut in half. But any attempt to divide the land "fairly" will never work. Someone will always be disadvantaged in some way they feel unjust and unacceptable. And that doesn't even start to look at Jerusalem.

Arab/Jewish animosity dates back to Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. It's not going to be solved easily.

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Never been there, why's that? It's not ludicrous it's a legitimate concern that should be addressed and not simply dismissed, even the Americans agree with them

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Disastrous result for world peace.

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It's ludicrous because it *can't* be addressed. If it were, Israelis would become a minority in Israel overnight, and their homeland could be voted out of existence at the first opportunity.

For Israel, this is an existential issue. It's doubly stupid of the Palestinians to continue to insist on it, not only because Israel quite clearly can't yield on it, but also because that stumbling block allows Israel to continue with things as they are, to occupy the West Bank and to build settlements.

Not having a final settlement suits Israel perfectly well. The Palestinians should try removing Israel's excuses for sticking with the status quo.

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Someone is calling it as it is: israel-must-end-its-50year-occupation-of-palestine-the-white-house-says

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Very good comments. The solution as we all agree is incredibly difficult but .. unless the polarising is stopped (stop the missiles, stop the land grabs, etc.) the situation will become so incendiary that all bets are off.

There is an historical irony here: removing rights from certain sections of society based on ethic or religious rules, dictating where these citizens are allowed to live, controlling & restricting the resources that this area is allowed to receive, etc.

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It doesn't have to be addressed in that way, it can be negotiated and the injured party compensated for instance, you know how civilised people and nations come to an agreement