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richard s 17-03-2015 14:02

Energy Utility Bosses Donate to the Tory Party
 
I see the Fat Cat Energy Supply bosses have donated large amounts of cash to the Tory Party funds. Is this an appeasement payment so that in the future we the plebs will have to pay ever increasing energy bills!!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...energy-5329935

YOU DO NOT GIVE AND NOT RECEIVE NOTHING me thinks... I smell a rat.

Chris 17-03-2015 14:56

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35765371)
YOU DO NOT GIVE AND NOT RECEIVE NOTHING me thinks... I smell a rat.

Quite. That may also help explain the Labour party's finances.

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Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...speration.html

denphone 17-03-2015 15:11

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There is nothing wrong with donations made to political parties as long as everything is legal and above board.

heero_yuy 17-03-2015 17:02

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35765394)
There is nothing wrong with donations made to political parties as long as everything is legal and above board.

Clarity is everything: Business makes jobs, pays employees, contributes to pensions, trade and taxes that fund the state expenditure whereas unions....

It's no surprise that business supports the party that is pro-business.

ianch99 17-03-2015 17:26

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35765418)
Clarity is everything: Business makes jobs, pays employees, contributes to pensions, trade and taxes that fund the state expenditure whereas unions ..

.. can protect employees being exploited by unscrupulous and greedy employers

heero_yuy 17-03-2015 17:29

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35765424)
.. can protect employees being exploited by unscrupulous and greedy employers

But frequently exploit said employees for their own political ends.

ianch99 17-03-2015 17:57

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35765425)
But frequently exploit said employees for their own political ends.

Who do you really think holds the power today: the employers or the employees (backed by the unions if they have one)?

<warning: possible "hyperbole" ahead/>

Employers, backed by government policies just have too much power. The employer/employee balance that we had (in varying degrees) is now way too far in favour of the employer. Without this balance, society is heading for a dark place. The ability of multi national companies who are invited to this country by fawning politicians, allowed to escape paying taxes and to then with no or little consequence relocate their UK business to India or China leaving their UK employees redundant.

Pretending that unions are still the bogey man just plays into the hands of the right wing press and ignores the real threat to our country and that is the growing disparity between the poor (however you may define them) and the wealthy. This is the elephant in the room and is being ignored. This is the real and present danger to our children's future. How many of our chidren will be able to buy their own home as their parents may have done, espcially in London? Answer: a lot less. It is not the hysterical non-stories about the scrounging poor or the tidal waves of fertile immigrants that are the real issue we should address today.

Osem 17-03-2015 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35765439)
Who do you really think holds the power today: the employers or the employees (backed by the unions if they have one)?

<warning: possible "hyperbole" ahead/>

Employers, backed by government policies just have too much power. The employer/employee balance that we had (in varying degrees) is now way too far in favour of the employer. Without this balance, society is heading for a dark place. The ability of multi national companies who are invited to this country by fawning politicians, allowed to escape paying taxes and to then with no or little consequence relocate their UK business to India or China leaving their UK employees redundant.

Pretending that unions are still the bogey man just plays into the hands of the right wing press and ignores the real threat to our country and that is the growing disparity between the poor (however you may define them) and the wealthy. This is the elephant in the room and is being ignored. This is the real and present danger to our children's future. How many of our chidren will be able to buy their own home as their parents may have done, espcially in London? Answer: a lot less. It is not the hysterical non-stories about the scrounging poor or the tidal waves of fertile immigrants that are the real issue we should address today.

Scroungers don't have to be poor and millions of immigrants have driven down the wages of the poorest whilst benefiting the richest. They have also required housing which is in short supply thereby helping to drive prices/rents up. They may not be the sole or biggest cause of the problems you cite but they don't help matters do they and to say so isn't hysterical.

richard s 18-03-2015 09:07

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35765394)
There is nothing wrong with donations made to political parties as long as everything is legal and above board.


Where did the energy bosses money come from! out of their own pockets or from their hard pressed customers paying for their high energy bills.

Hugh 18-03-2015 09:33

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Where did the Unions' donation money come from?

denphone 18-03-2015 09:35

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Where the donations came from not open to question but as long as its legal and above board then there ain't much you can do Richard.

alanbjames 18-03-2015 09:47

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I wonder if anyone has had the knackers to donate to UKIP and be upfront as to why?

ianch99 18-03-2015 09:54

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I don't think anyone would be suprised if political party donors (from all sides) sometimes benefit in some way from their donations. It could be a gong, future business friendly policies, etc.

I guess you could see it as part of the lobbying process :)

denphone 18-03-2015 10:02

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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35765584)
I wonder if anyone has had the knackers to donate to UKIP and be upfront as to why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Sykes_(businessman)

martyh 18-03-2015 10:29

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35765573)
Where did the energy bosses money come from! out of their own pockets or from their hard pressed customers paying for their high energy bills.

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Figures show that since 2005, Ian Taylor of Vitol Oil has given £965,002, including £626,002 in the last five years. Ayman Asfari of Petrofac has given £450,600 over the past decade, including £400,600 since 2015.
Wind farm firm Offshore Group Newcastle has handed over £364,275 since Cameron won the leadership, while the man behind the firm, Ukrainian-born Alex-ander Temerko, gave another £311,630.

from the op's link

This is a non story, individuals can donate to who they like ,the other alternative for those against people donating to political parties is to stop it altogether and rely on funding from general taxation ,anyone fancy that ?

alanbjames 18-03-2015 10:33

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35765599)
from the op's link

This is a non story, individuals can donate to who they like ,the other alternative for those against people donating to political parties is to stop it altogether and rely on funding from general taxation ,anyone fancy that ?

Well they seem to claim for just about everything else on expenses.

Stop It 18-03-2015 10:39

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Well, if you don't want the endless arguments that the Tories are in the pockets of fat cats and Labour the pockets of the Unions, there is one solution: Public funding for political parties.

That way there can be no pandering for donations, no accusations of foul play, or sleaze etc, and would mean people can be confident that their elected lawmakers are actually working for them, not whoever donated the most to their party.

Of course, such an idea is never going to fly, because who wants a fair political system? Far easier to use a bad one to point the finger at whoever you don't vote for than to actually fix it.

Hugh 18-03-2015 10:40

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:clap::clap:

Sirius 18-03-2015 10:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35765579)
Where did the Unions' donation money come from?

Not from me, i have just signed the form the CWU sent out that asks if you want some of my subs paid to the union paid to Labour or not, i said NO use it on something else. I dont pay money to any political party

martyh 18-03-2015 11:31

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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35765600)
Well they seem to claim for just about everything else on expenses.

I didn't say expenses I said general taxation in other words the parties are funded by grants from taxes

devilincarnate 18-03-2015 12:58

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35765591)

I knew his Dad good bloke

richard s 18-03-2015 13:09

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When the energy prices start going through the roof again as they surely will, would the Tory party mothers who will probably be in office again rein-in the energy companies who donated to their party.

Osem 21-03-2015 08:42

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... and then there was this guy whose ID, for some odd reason, it seems Labour weren't too keen to reveal... :confused:

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Labour has received a huge donation from a multimillion-pound hedge fund manager whose identity the party tried to keep secret, The Independent can reveal. Martin Taylor has given Labour nearly £600,000 since 2012, making him the party’s fourth-largest donor, and has had at least one meeting with the Labour leader, Ed Miliband.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10124387.html

Same Old Labour - The party of hypocrisy...

Gary L 21-03-2015 08:56

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35766304)
Same Old Labour - The party of hypocrisy...

Don't let it all wind you up Osem. they're all as bad as each other.

Calm dwn. take a deep breath and vote UKIP.

denphone 21-03-2015 09:57

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35766306)
Don't let it all wind you up Osem. they're all as bad as each other.
Calm dwn. take a deep breath and vote UKIP.

For once Gary l agree with you.

Osem 21-03-2015 15:32

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And now we have a LibDem peer resigning over alleged dodgy donations:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31996192

Quote:

A Liberal Democrat peer has resigned from his party's group in the House of Lords following allegations expected to be made in a Channel 4 investigation.

The Daily Telegraph reported that Dispatches will allege "a £10,000 donation was paid by the stepfather of an undercover businessman which would be against the rules on donations."

Lord Strasburger of Langridge has denied doing anything wrong.

nomadking 21-03-2015 15:45

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35766377)
And now we have a LibDem peer resigning over alleged dodgy donations:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31996192

If its meant to be illegal why weren't people prosecuted over donations(£600,000+) made by David Abrahams via third parties? Apparently trade union Unite is paying the membership fees for some people to be members of the Labour party and therefore eligible to vote for prospective MPs. Wouldn't that also be 3rd party donations?


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