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Osem 14-03-2015 14:02

Prescott on Blair's 'Crusades'
 
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Lord Prescott says Tony Blair's 'bloody crusades' radicalised Muslims

The former Labour deputy prime minister appears to link the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the radicalisation of British Muslims as he says that Mr Blair "wants to invade everywhere".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...d-Muslims.html

What else does he expect from the 'peace envoy'?

Anyway, it's a pity he's never mentioned any of this at the time but then maybe he didn't want to further embarrass his pathetic party.

Ramrod 14-03-2015 20:04

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Not a lot of love lost between those two.

Sirius 14-03-2015 22:25

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I still want to see Blair arrested for war crimes.

alanbjames 14-03-2015 23:32

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35764725)
I still want to see Blair arrested for war crimes.

Theres more chance of Ann Widdecombe winning a beauty contest.

Sirius 15-03-2015 08:51

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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35764740)
Theres more chance of Ann Widdecombe winning a beauty contest.

He will get his punishment one day. If there is a so called after life i hope he ends up in the place where they stoke the fires for eternity :)

papa smurf 15-03-2015 08:57

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35764763)
He will get his punishment one day. If there is a so called after life i hope he ends up in the place where they stoke the fires for eternity :)

i'm afraid that only works on paper in reality dead's dead ,if he's due any punishment it should be dealt with now .

heero_yuy 15-03-2015 11:00

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35764725)
I still want to see Blair arrested for war crimes.

And Bush, but I'd like to see a more direct result.

Sirius 15-03-2015 11:35

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35764764)
i'm afraid that only works on paper in reality dead's dead ,if he's due any punishment it should be dealt with now .

:clap:

I am sure someone will get him in the end.

heero_yuy 15-03-2015 11:38

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35764806)
:clap:

I am sure someone will get him in the end.

I'm sure Jihadi John would be only too pleased to do the honours given the chance.

RizzyKing 16-03-2015 20:24

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Blah blah if he really opposed he should have had the courage of his convictions and resigned all this "Blair this Blair that" now doesn't change a damn thing and doesn't bring back some of the best people this country had so shove it where the sun doesn't shine Prescott. If only the Hague would issue a warrant for Blair I'd hobble down to London to perform a citizens arrest the man is the ultimate personification of smug.

Sirius 16-03-2015 21:05

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35765211)
Blah blah if he really opposed he should have had the courage of his convictions and resigned all this "Blair this Blair that" now doesn't change a damn thing and doesn't bring back some of the best people this country had so shove it where the sun doesn't shine Prescott. If only the Hague would issue a warrant for Blair I'd hobble down to London to perform a citizens arrest the man is the ultimate personification of smug.

I would join you. :tu:

Osem 17-03-2015 18:24

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I suspect a hell of a lot of other people would too!

ianch99 17-03-2015 20:01

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So you don't like Blair then? ;) Can you also add Thatcher to the list? Both as bad as each other in their own way

Osem 17-03-2015 20:06

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35765442)
So you don't like Blair then? ;) Can you also add Thatcher to the list? Both as bad as each other in their own way

Not sure about that - Thatcher didn't lie and spin her way to power and throughout her time in office. That subject's been done before however... ;)

Sirius 17-03-2015 20:22

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35765442)
So you don't like Blair then? ;) Can you also add Thatcher to the list? Both as bad as each other in their own way

When did Thatcher send thousands of men to there death based on a sexed up dossier and out and out lies. He committed a war crime and should pay the price ??

Blier lied and then was given the job of peace envoy to the middle east :rofl: , he's not done a very god joob of that ether has he as there are still people being killed because of his legacy.

ianch99 18-03-2015 09:53

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35765448)
When did Thatcher send thousands of men to there death based on a sexed up dossier and out and out lies. He committed a war crime and should pay the price ??

Blier lied and then was given the job of peace envoy to the middle east :rofl: , he's not done a very god joob of that ether has he as there are still people being killed because of his legacy.

I didn't realise Thatcher had to have commited the same "crimes" to be compared? As we're straying off-topic, let's agree to disagree regards the Blessed Margaret.

Maybe you should invite Dave to the trial?

Cameron backs Blair on Iraq war

Sirius 18-03-2015 10:22

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35765552)
I didn't realise Thatcher had to have commited the same "crimes" to be compared? As we're straying off-topic, let's agree to disagree regards the Blessed Margaret.

Maybe you should invite Dave to the trial?

Cameron backs Blair on Iraq war

Cameron was not prime minister at the time so why should he be charged.

ianch99 18-03-2015 12:00

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35765560)
Cameron was not prime minister at the time so why should he be charged.

So parliament including the Conervative party did not vote for and approve the war then?

Hugh 18-03-2015 12:38

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35765588)
So parliament including the Conervative party did not vote for and approve the war then?

On the basis of the information supplied by Blair et al.....

Sirius 18-03-2015 12:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35765601)
On the basis of the information supplied by Blair et al.....

:tu:

TheDaddy 18-03-2015 13:04

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35765601)
On the basis of the information supplied by Blair et al.....

Think things would've been any different, I don't, Tony and Dave are cut very much from the same cloth imo, neither will ever get my vote both snake oil salesmen

ianch99 18-03-2015 13:21

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35765608)
Think things would've been any different, I don't, Tony and Dave are cut very much from the same cloth imo, neither will ever get my vote both snake oil salesmen

:tu:

Sirius 18-03-2015 13:30

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35765608)
Think things would've been any different, I don't, Tony and Dave are cut very much from the same cloth imo, neither will ever get my vote both snake oil salesmen

Things have been differant however, did we not decide not to go running in to Syria. Could that be because no dodgy dossiers on chemical weapons and there deployment time were presented ??? :)

TheDaddy 18-03-2015 13:51

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35765617)
Things have been differant however, did we not decide not to go running in to Syria. Could that be because no dodgy dossiers on chemical weapons and there deployment time were presented ??? :)

No thanks to Dave, he wanted us to go in, I've no doubt he would've got his way if he really thought it worth pushing just like Tony

Sirius 18-03-2015 13:55

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35765623)
No thanks to Dave, he wanted us to go in, I've no doubt he would've got his way if he really thought it worth pushing just like Tony

Or just lied to get us in.;)

TheDaddy 18-03-2015 13:59

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35765625)
Or just lied to get us in.;)

Exactly, if he thought it particularly advantageous to him he'd have done it, just like his clone did previously.

Sirius 18-03-2015 14:31

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35765626)
Exactly, if he thought it particularly advantageous to him he'd have done it, just like his clone did previously.

That i do agree with :tu:

TheDaddy 05-07-2017 10:16

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35764725)
I still want to see Blair arrested for war crimes.

You might still yet.

I'd vote for any party that made it happen for quite a few years to incidentally

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rosecution-ban

heero_yuy 06-07-2017 11:39

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Asked if Mr Blair was as truthful with him [Chilcot] and the public as he should have been during the seven-year inquiry, he replied: "Can I slightly reword that to say I think any Prime Minister taking a country into war has got to be straight with the nation and carry it, so far as possible, with him or her.

"I don't believe that was the case in the Iraq instance."
Source

He lied.

Osem 06-07-2017 13:17

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Bliar took the course of action he wanted to take in spite of the facts. It's quite clear that he'd promised Bush the UK's support so he just needed something to justify that support. Cue a dodgy dossier...

RizzyKing 06-07-2017 17:34

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This country was lied too by blair as was parliament and it cost the lives of some of our finest there has to be a consequence for that we cannot just let it go or it will happen again the next time someone more interested in their ego then the good of the country holds the position again. It always struck me as an insult that he was made a peace envoy for the middle east given the questions that existed back then.

While i won't be ashamed of our military who were following their orders i am ashamed of the politicians involved in taking this country into iraq and if he lied to chillcot then charge him and prosecute him he should not just walk away pocketing cash from his time as prime minister. My opinion of politicians is not high and hasn't been for sometime but blair is the most reprehensible and shameful prime minister we have had in my lifetime.

heero_yuy 06-07-2017 18:32

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^^ This.

Those with so much blood on their hands must be bought to book.

Sirius 07-07-2017 10:20

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35906434)
but blair is the most reprehensible and shameful prime minister we have had in my lifetime.

If i was to post what i would like done to him i would be arrested.

Damien 07-07-2017 10:25

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I am not quite sure what Blair can actually be arrested for though. The inquires stopped short of outright accusations of lying or criminal behavior. He as PM has the ultimate say in committing troops to a war and he also has a Parliamentary vote to back that. Give that the Attorney General unlikely to ever back a prosecution that sets a precedent for PM's being charged for decisions taken in office in the absence of a real criminal case.

The nearest I can see is that he is sent to a Hague for a crime of aggression under international law but then I also can't see other governments wanting to set such a precedent either.

papa smurf 07-07-2017 10:31

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35906516)
I am not quite sure what Blair can actually be arrested for though. The inquires stopped short of outright accusations of lying or criminal behavior. He as PM has the ultimate say in committing troops to a war and he also has a Parliamentary vote to back that. Give that the Attorney General unlikely to ever back a prosecution that sets a precedent for PM's being charged for decisions taken in office in the absence of a real criminal case.

The nearest I can see is that he is sent to a Hague for a crime of aggression under international law but then I also can't see other governments wanting to set such a precedent either.

upward of 3 million dead Iraqis would get it started

send him to Iraq to answer for his crimes .

RizzyKing 07-07-2017 13:26

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There's no doubt blair lied and that he ordered others to lie and the fact that the system allows no recourse for his disgusting behaviour merely says more about the system then it says about anything else. He has tarnished the office he held and there should be mechanisms that punish for that and perhaps it's about time the system was reworked so that it can never happen again.


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