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Wittmann 12-03-2015 19:29

Am Over the Limit to Drive ?
 
I do realise that some extremely responsible BAC guide is likely to be poked fun at by some people, they poke fun at anything. It is not these "some people" that I am posting this guide for. It is the sensible and intelligent individual I am aiming at, who knows how to use it properly.

All general medical facts and figures are based on statistical analysis of populations. The data is empirical and averaged, it has got to be, there is no other statistical way of assessing a large sample.

But when you enter your personal data, then the filters are refined to become a much more personalised result and a good guide.

If you use this checker sensibly and in particular get the time period realistic to avoid stupid bias`s, then the result is as accurate as you will ever get from such a guide.

For instance, in a period of 4 hours, if your first drink is in the first hour and you then have 3 large Whiskey`s in hour 4, then you find your BAC for the period over which you drank the 3 Whiskey`s. It is this critical period which determines whether you are too sloshed to drive.

See :-

http://www.drinkdriving.org/drink_dr...calculator.php

The link itself provides a list of extremely useful reference options in the left hand side panel.

Gary L 12-03-2015 19:38

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It says I'll be ready in 38 hours.

Hom3r 12-03-2015 19:59

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To be honest 1 drink you shouldn't drive.

Damien 12-03-2015 20:01

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35764339)
To be honest 1 drink you shouldn't drive.

Yeah pretty good rule. It's too difficult to work out otherwise.

djfunkdup 12-03-2015 20:27

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Agreed .if you have any drink you don't drive ..its pretty simple ..

the above linked site is a load of pants tbh .. ;)

Russ 12-03-2015 20:32

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Being teetotal has its advantages...

Gary L 12-03-2015 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764348)
Being teetotal has its advantages...

You're better in bed.
but can't beat everybody up.

heero_yuy 13-03-2015 07:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764348)
Being teetotal has its advantages...

Quote:

I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.

Dean Martin
:D

Russ 13-03-2015 08:04

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The fresh-faced innocence of those who have not tried Ritalin ;)

tweetiepooh 13-03-2015 09:00

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The mood of the site is don't drink drive not working out what you can drink and drive. It highlights how little can take you over the limit, especially in some countries.

Taf 13-03-2015 09:09

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One drop of alcohol to my lips and the car is taboo for at least a day for me.

Wittmann 13-03-2015 09:51

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You do not have to be neurotic about having a drink, just sensible.

The UK BAC limit of alcohol for drivers is 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, or 0.08 on the chart. If you use this guide realistically, the result is fairly accurate.

I am certainly more than happy with the guide.

arcimedes 13-03-2015 09:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764420)

The UK BAC limit of alcohol for drivers is 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, or 0.08 on the chart. If you use this guide realistically, the result is fairly accurate.

I am certainly more than happy with the guide.

Err... The Scottish limit is lower at 50 mg.

Wittmann 13-03-2015 10:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35764422)
Err... The Scottish limit is lower at 50 mg.

OK, the chart still applies if you regard the result as being equal to or less than 0.05. The chart specifies your BAC rating. No problem.

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Russ 13-03-2015 10:03

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"Sensible" is subjective.

I'd say sensible is to be not drink at all if you're going to drive.

heero_yuy 13-03-2015 10:12

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Mmm. It reckons I could have a couple of pints of wifebeater over 2 hours and still drive. Not sure I'd want to try that though. :erm:

Wittmann 13-03-2015 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764426)
"Sensible" is subjective.

I'd say sensible is to be not drink at all if you're going to drive.

"Sensible" is not subjective, it is a quality of the brain that not everybody has.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35764427)
Mmm. It reckons I could have a couple of pints of wifebeater over 2 hours and still drive. Not sure I'd want to try that though. :erm:

Well, trust or no trust. This chart is the best guide you will get other than being breathalysed by a stop cop. I have 500 ml of 9% abv lager every day, but it is 2-3 hours before I drive and my reading is negligible. I have no problems with that. Like a pilot, you have to have confidence in your instruments.

Russ 13-03-2015 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764430)
"Sensible" is not subjective, it is a quality of the brain that not everybody has.

Whereas I agree with the second part of that, sensible is indeed subjective and is being demonstrated here.

I don't think it's wise to drive after an alcoholic drink. In fairness I'm not all that sure it's an idea to drink after a few Redbulls either. I'm not criticising or judging - just saying what I feel is sensible.

Ritalin stays in the system for about 4 hours but the effects can last for another 2, which is why I don't take mine if it coincides with any driving I'm doing. Am I right or wrong? Who knows, I just follow what I feel is sense.

Wittmann 13-03-2015 10:53

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764434)
Whereas I agree with the second part of that, sensible is indeed subjective and is being demonstrated here.

I don't think it's wise to drive after an alcoholic drink. In fairness I'm not all that sure it's an idea to drink after a few Redbulls either. I'm not criticising or judging - just saying what I feel is sensible.

Ritalin stays in the system for about 4 hours but the effects can last for another 2, which is why I don't take mine if it coincides with any driving I'm doing. Am I right or wrong? Who knows, I just follow what I feel is sense.

That is all OK Russ, but the paranoia generated by the very mention of alcohol is like the paranoia present in breathing cigarette smoke from a mile distance.

Millions of people take medicinal drugs every day which state that they impair the judgement, saying that you should not operate machinery and a car is machinery.

If you personally feel that a sniff of alcohol is detrimental to driving, then fine, that is your own opinion. Other people have a more compromising view of life.

Russ 13-03-2015 11:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764437)
Other people have a more compromising view of driving.

I think that's a better way of putting it.

Wittmann 13-03-2015 11:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764438)
I think that's a better way of putting it.

By the way Russ, if Ritalin is present in Red Bull then we are not talking about alcohol, we are considering a stimulant.

Ritalin (methylphenidate) is an amphetamine-like prescription stimulant commonly used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in children and adults.italin -
So forget Ritalin on this thread, it is a medicinal drug problem, not an alcoholic drink-driving matter.

joglynne 13-03-2015 11:17

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Is this thread about beating a breath test or about being a responsible driver?

Personally I never drink and drive. There are enough people on the roads who think that passing the breath test means that they good drivers without me joining their ranks.

Russ 13-03-2015 11:21

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Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764441)
By the way Russ, if Ritalin is present in Red Bull then we are not talking about alcohol, we are considering a stimulant.

Ritalin (methylphenidate) is an amphetamine-like prescription stimulant commonly used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in children and adults.italin -
So forget Ritalin on this thread, it is a medicinal drug problem, not an alcoholic drink-driving matter.

You don't go placing limitations on someone else's opinion.

I know exactly what Ritalin is thanks, if I was a betting man I'd wager I may know slightly more than the average CF user about it. It doesn't make me an expert by any means but I do know what it's for. And it isn't a problem.

Alcohol is a chemical that causes reactions in the body, just like caffeine, amphetamines, taurine etc and can have a major impact on someone's driving ability. Having any artificially-placed substance such as these in your system while driving isn't what I'd call sensible.

Gary L 13-03-2015 11:26

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There's a high percentage of drivers amongst the millions on the roads today. driving impaired and under the influence of recreational drugs.

just saying.

Stop It 13-03-2015 12:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764437)
If you personally feel that a sniff of alcohol is detrimental to driving, then fine, that is your own opinion. Other people have a more compromising view of life.

Well as someone of memories of losing school friends at a young age to a drunk driver, let me say that I think that some people have a very bad view on the effects of alcohol on their driving abilities and this ends in so many avoidable accidents and deaths.

It only takes one mistake to kill someone, and if that mistake is caused, or made worse by alcohol, is it worth saying "Ah, I'm fine to drive" or just thinking "You know what, it isn't worth it".

Drink, OR Drive, don't do both.

To address Gary L, drug driving is just as bad as drink driving, and thankfully will face the same penalties soon.

heero_yuy 13-03-2015 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35764461)
To address Gary L, drug driving is just as bad as drink driving, and thankfully will face the same penalties soon.

It's a pity using a mobile is treated so lightly as it is proven to be just as bad, or even worse, than drink or drug driving. I think it should attract the same penalties.

Wittmann 13-03-2015 13:04

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 35764442)
Is this thread about beating a breath test or about being a responsible driver?

It is not about beating anything. If you read the lines carefully it is about assessing your BAC by using a responsibly developed hypothetical alcohol limit guide. Beyond that, your personal views on drinking and driving are utterly irrelevant and of no interest to anybody. An opinion is like Clint Eastwood said in more explicit anatomical terms, we all have one.

heero_yuy 13-03-2015 13:05

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Quote:

Using a smartphone for social networking slows reaction times by 37.6 per cent;
texting slows reaction times by 37.4 per cent;
hands-free mobile phone conversation slows reaction times by 26.5 per cent;
cannabis slows reaction times by 21 per cent;
alcohol (above UK driving limit but below 100mg per 100ml of blood) slows reaction time by between six and 15 per cent; and
alcohol at the legal limit slows reaction times by 12.5 per cent.
IAM Research linky

Russ 13-03-2015 13:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764464)
It is not about beating anything. If you read the lines carefully it is about assessing your BAC by using a responsibly developed hypothetical alcohol limit guide.

A responsible limit to some would be zero.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764464)
Beyond that, your personal views on drinking and driving are utterly irrelevant and of no interest to anybody

.

Don't go assuming you speak for everyone/anyone else on this forum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764464)
An opinion is like Clint Eastwood said in more explicit anatomical terms, we all have one.

:tu:

Wittmann 13-03-2015 13:42

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My case.

One can 500 ml lager @ 9% abv and drive 3 hours later = BAC 0.01. Well within the limit of BAC 0.08 and even if it is 2 hours later it is only BAC 0.02.

3 glasses of Hock @ 11% abv (actually only 9%), 100 ml glasses and drive 2 hours later = BAC 0.01.

Apart from individual anti-drink-drive uncontrollable paranoia, what is the problem ?

It is no more life threatening or becoming a public menace than eating a few wine gums.

Russ 13-03-2015 13:44

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Where's the "anti-drink-drive uncontrollable paranoia"?

Wittmann 13-03-2015 14:12

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764481)
Where's the "anti-drink-drive uncontrollable paranoia"?

Not getting at you Russ, just at the no-drink no-drive syndicate. Everything in moderation, even drinking makes life worth living in a civilised country.

It is not yet a crime to have a drink, it is not yet a crime to have a BAC = 0.08 in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, or a BAC = 0.05 in Scotland. It is only a crime if you exceed these limits.

We in the UK are tolerant on the legal limit for blood alcohol levels concerning driving. In some countries it is zero.

See - http://www.icap.org/Table/BACLimitsWorldwide

Russ 13-03-2015 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764484)
Not getting at you Russ, just at the no-drink no-drive syndicate. Everything in moderation, even drinking makes life worth living in a civilised country.

I'll use Eastwood's quote for that. Drink (or the need/want/desire) does nothing for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wittmann (Post 35764484)
It is not yet a crime to have a drink, it is not yet a crime to have a BAC = 0.08 in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, or a BAC = 0.05 in Scotland. It is only a crime if you exceed these limits.

We in the UK are tolerant on the legal limit for blood alcohol levels concerning driving. In some countries it is zero.

See - http://www.icap.org/Table/BACLimitsWorldwide

I'm not the type who says "I don't agree with it so I want it banned". But if the limit was lowered to zero I wouldn't go out of my way to protest against that.

RichardCoulter 17-03-2015 16:12

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35764478)
A responsible limit to some would be zero.

The argument against a zero limit is that it could never work as, apparently, the human body produces a small amount of alcohol naturally.

cookie_365 17-03-2015 16:39

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A 'zero' limit wouldn't actually be zero, it would be above trace levels.

If you could get done for possessing anything more than zero coke then I think contactless payment would suddenly become very popular :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/464200.stm


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