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why are we so bothered about it?
what if they were 3 boys?
what if we were to drag them back saying we protected you and they start kicking and screaming shouting they want us dead?

they chose to go. they know why they want to go.

are we expecting them to say "thank you for protecting me. we don't know what we were thinking"?

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The letters page contributors today in my redtop were firmly of the opinion that they should be left out there and not let back in this country especially once they find out that there's no phones, no showers, no facebook and that they'll be expected to spread their legs for every jihadi that come along.

One thing that really got up my nose about this was the parents going on about the security services should have stopped them when they (parents) had no idea what was going on in the minds of their silly little cows.

If they didn't have an inkling why should the security services who have, quite frankly, more important things to take care of than absconding children, be of superior knowledge?

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Well I think we can certainly say that they didn't put their brains together and decide

"I'll make the cups of teas and dinners"
"I'll do their washing and cleaning"
and "I'll do the sewing and ironing"

they're not stupid. they put their minds together knowing why they wanted to go. and now it's our problem for not 'protecting' them.

we can have leaflets saying once you go. there's no coming back.
do you need to talk to a counselor?
nobody under 18 allowed.

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And if MI5 had been discovered keeping tabs on their every move, I dare say there'd have been an uproar about that too. I reckon very few parents would want accept their child was planning to join IS until it was proved they had already done so. To that extent the authorities have a very difficult balancing act to perform.

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Just a point to ponder, I wonder how their parents tried to integrate into UK society when they settled here?

I am all for immigrants maintaining customs from their home country but it is just as important to understand that by moving here they have to adapt to our way of life.

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Dam right. Leave them in the sewer that they so wanted to be in.

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3 supposedly intelligent young women, they went of their own free will.

I don't know what they were promised, or what picture was painted for them.

But they will no doubt already be facing a very harsh reality.

It's very sad. Once they realise what they have left behind to what their life and their future now is.

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I have no idea, but let's hope they don't rush back.

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They left and should not be let back in and it is not the states job to watch what every person does what really got me worked up was an interview a family member gave saying they were "taken" utter rubbish from a family that clearly wasn't bothering enough to notice the radicalisation of one of their children. Child soldiers are not new and whilst they may be kids put a bomb in their hands or an AK and choices rapidly diminish horrible as this sounds I hope they get slotted before they infiltrate back into the UK to recruit or radicalise others. If there is anger towards Islam it is in no small part due to the utter failure to deal with the extremists hiding in plain sight in many mosques and being allowed to spout their garbage.

In general Muslims are peaceful and contributing members to the UK but the time is coming where to continue enjoying that more then words are going to be needed in addressing extremists and radicalisation of the young that is ongoing.

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Tend to agree, its shocking how bright most of the people flocking to the cause seem to be, these three are going to learn a harsh lesson the hard way, if they can come back deradicalised and serve as an example for other hotheaded young muslims and stop them making the same mistakes then that can't be a bad thing imo.

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I think it's the worst Enid Blyton title ever.

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It's been a looooong time since anyone got me to swallow my tea the wrong way..Bad boy.;)

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Lets hope that their offspring do not come here and cause terrorist related atrocities.

I also demand that their parents pay the tax back which went to educate these silly girls.

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I dunno there are a few options.

Noddy and His Three Wives AKA Four in a Family.
Jihadtime Story Book.
Burkha Tales.
A Story Book of Muhammad

I'm beginning to wonder about her own story titles now though.

The Hidey-Hole.
The Secret Mountain

Hmm. I think you're onto something here, Mr A.

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Wish there was more of them going.
If i could afford it i would pay for the taxi and air fare,
Manchester, Liverpool, leeds and bradford airport.
Sod it i will personally drive them there.

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...and is sure to include lashings of ginger beers.

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I doubt it. nobody likes gingers.

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Mrs Weasley And Hermione did.....

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They tolerated it for the purposes of the film.

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Boys tease Red heads, men chase them ;)

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Don't want to be pedantic, but they don't like people using the 'and' word. The name Leeds And Bradford International Airport gives them a very unfortunate acronym.

Cheers

Grim

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looks like one of them was just following in the footsteps of dear old dad.


Father of 'jihadi bride' schoolgirl marched at the head of a 2012 extremist rally attended by Lee Rigby's killer and led by hate preacher Anjem Choudary - and took part in burning a U.S. flag

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No, it was the police's fault wasn't it? Surely nothing to do with the dear sweet innocent family?

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Indeed the correct pronunciation is Leeds - Bradford, there is no "and"

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nope he done brung her up wrong

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Five teenage girls from same school as three ISIS brides are given travel bans
Five teenage girls given travel bans all went to Bethnal Green Academy
Same London school as three girls who have already fled to join ISIS
Judge lifts order preventing the naming of the school in the public interest



is this a good school to send your kids to ?

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"Whose fault is the jihadi bride? Certainly not her astonishing dad"
Excellent article.

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It's always someone else's fault eh?...

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Didn't he stand up in parliament and say that bs how can it not be illegal to mislead parliament oh of course most ministers would be guilty to that's why.

anyway I've had a characteristic change of heart, I've gone from sympathising to wishing the girls had taken the rest of their families with them.

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Seems like the Turkish authorities are stepping up their efforts to prevent idiots like this from going to Syria with their young children.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32388481

You have to wonder at what nonsense is in their heads...

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Personally anyone who leaves this country to fight with IS or other such groups should have there passports torn up, and refused re-entry into the UK.

Even if it makes them stateless.

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It was selfish of him to take any future away from the kids by dragging them there with him.
if he wants to help fight over there. then go on your own.

we should have an open day. with free flights.
but it's permanently open every day. and it's a one way flight with passports burned at the checkout desk.

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I like it, better policies for a better Britain.

Isn't it ironic that people are literally dying to get to the EU and in many cases ultimately the UK, whereas people from the UK, mostly immigrants or 2nd/3rd generation, are leaving it to die.

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Maybe they're worried about too much immigration and the sort of people being allowed in...
:spin:

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One of them is dead now, let's hope she serves as a warning to anyone deluded enough to think about following her path.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...de-who-8611519

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Oh well. one less enemy plotting against us.

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One more "reported" as dead. That doesn't mean she hasn't faded into the crowds in Europe ready to strike against us.

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We'll just have to pray to God that she is dead. and if not then he doesn't let her blow up loads of innocent people like he usually does.

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Apparently her family have had regular contact with her expressing a desire to come home having discovered the brutal reality of ISIS and their lies. I hope very much this is made widely available on social media because even if it dissuades just one such naive individual from making the same mistake it'll be worth it.

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Ally snack bar :)

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Absolute twoddle ,that's just Western racist propaganda ,3 young girls living with ISIS would never be abused or taken advantage of ,it must have been heaven

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One down two to go sorry I've got no sympathy for these idiots and if they were savvy enough to establish contact with a recruiter they were savvy enough to learn what isis was really all about. I hope the other two never set foot in the UK again and if they do they should be immediately arrested and interrogated.

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Yeh. that's what this nutty man said in his little episode too :)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/694...gland-UK-watch

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Ugh one of them wants to come back now, just leave her to rot where she is imo, she made her choice

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^^ +1

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The BBC is reporting that the girls "fled to Syria". Why "fled"? Were they under investigation for pro-ISIS acts?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47237051

This says "ran away".

Sorry, further down it says That’s complete bolleaux, as she wasn’t ‘fleeing’ from anything - ‘fleeing’ is running from danger; she ran to it...

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Most people i've spoken to seem to think that she should not be allowed back into the UK (and I completely understand why), but perhaps she should be allowed back for interview/interrogation by the security services as this may prove useful to us??

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But then what?


The core problems are that that are like-minded people who didn't leave but are still here, and that there is no shortage of others who are just waiting to become like-minded and that includes young kids or those not yet born. It's never going to end.

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Had she shown one iota of remorse i could perhaps look past the rhetoric she was fed at fifteen and led her to the decision that she made.

She hasn't, so it's a no from me. She's wanting to come back because she lost two children already and is currently in a refugee camp expecting a third.

She made her bed, with her current attitude she can sleep in it. Or not, as the case may be.

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My line of thinking is that she may have information about ISIS that could prove useful to us; perhaps she should be interviewed by the armed forces instead of a law enforcement agency?

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Having that info and handing it over are 2 very different things. Still the issue of what happens afterwards.

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True, but the armed forces probably have techniques that they use to garner information from POW; perhaps Hugh would know?

Afterwards, we could either let her stay or deport her (but, because the British usually like to be fair, the second option may cause an outcry).

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That's making the huge assumption that she knows anything of value.

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I'd imagine anything she did know would be very minor, and probably quite irrelevant by now

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Maybe, but we won't know either way if those that are professionaly trained to get information out of reluctant people aren't given access to her.

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She was 'apparently' the wife of a soldier, therefore I'm sure she knows where the nukes are hidden, has all the code words to unlock ISIS command communications, has detailed maps and timings of all future attacks throughout the area (or the world), can point out the locations of all the latrines used, and possibly even knows the names of at least a dozen pack donkeys :rolleyes:

Richard, the only thing she knows is that she's screwed and wants to come back to a cushy care free life

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Is there not a school of thought that says she is a victim as well?

If she had been groomed into a sex ring, would we wash our hands? - girls in sex rings can be equally accepting of their situations, seeing it as 'normal' - isn't that part of the process of being groomed, an indoctrination to make you believe that something that is wrong, is actually a normal way of life?

Do we not see hostages falling in love with their kidnappers?

I'm not saying we need to give her the key to the city, but perhaps we need to view her in a slightly different light before we decide what should be done with her.

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She's in the best place ie not here.

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Is there not a school of thought that she just wants to use this country?

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Possibly.

But as I say, indoctrination/brainwashing/grooming gives you a distorted view of the world

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If you've actively gone looking for a particular view, it is already distorted. Classic example is where people look for extreme porn and yet the [bogus] accusation is made that it was looking at extreme porn that made them a particular way.

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Looks like it doesn't it.

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Let her rot in the hell hole she ran away to. If they let her back it follows they will let others back as well.

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Who knows, she and others with ISIS views may be allowed back and start carrying out terror attacks in the UK.

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Someone made a fair point in a phone in show earlier today when they said that she probably dare not show any remorse yet whilst living in the camp with other ISIS people.

It's a mess, but of her own making.

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Erm. I think that reinforces my point.

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I beg to differ.

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Well said, let them all rot in hell. A new law should be passed with immediate effect for those who leave our shores to support a terrorist regime and that they should never be allowed back.

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There seems to be a unanimous view that she should be left to rot somewhere else.

I beg to point out that she was a misguided 15 year old when she left the UK. It’s unfortunate that at 19, she sees nothing wrong with her time in Syria when ISIS was on top. That should be dealt with by de-radicalisation, not exclusion.

Her child has done nothing wrong and ought to be allowed to grow up as normally as possible in the UK. We should be bigger hearted in this case than seems to be the mood of this thread.

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Would that be whilst living with her mother?

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"Her child has done nothing wrong", YET. Countless examples of people who were cute as babies and had "done nothing wrong". Especially those who go on to be indoctrinated by others of their own kind. Islamic terrorists are not suddenly produced out of thin air, they are created by Islam.

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Having just done a quick risk assessment, my findings are to remove the risk ;)

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She is British right? So if she makes her way back then I think we have to let her in but then she'll face criminal prosecution. I don't see this being an especially controversial approach. I don't think we should put anyone in danger to go 'rescue' her, she knew what she was doing, but it's not feasible to prevent British citizens from entering Britain and when someone is accused of being, or helping, terrorists we have a justice system to handle that.

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No we shouldn't be bigger hearted at all, you think this woman is misguided, have you heard her talking about the heads in bins, I don't want her or her child back here, I wonder if the people that do will take responsibility for her or the child's actions when they're driving through a crowd on a bridge or blowing themselves up at a concert

Exactly, what was her own parents role in all this, was she the one who was taken to anjam choudrhy rallies by her dad?

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I think that approach has been taken with other British citizens who travelled to Syria under similar circumstances. In her case, one question is how she gets her papers for her and her baby to leave Syria. She has never had a UK passport and would need British consulate support to obtain one. So her chances of returning don't look too high unless perhaps a journalist acts as a go-between but is there enough of a story to make it worth the hassle?

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Well theoretically as soon as she is in mainland Europe, with the EU zone, she'll likely be deported here. Unless I am missing something is this a crime isn't it? Running off to join ISIS?

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I think it's easier said than done for her and her baby to leave Syria without any papers, though. Maybe Syria and the UK will make a deal to return all the British citizens in that camp but we don't have a good relationship with the Syrian regime.
I assume ISIS membership is a crime as it's a prohibited organisation.

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On her sister's passport.



Won't she have acquired Dutch citizenship from her marriage?


Comforting to hear.

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Good god. Are you seriously saying that the child should be refused entry because it has done nothing wrong YET? Every newborn has the chance of turning out bad, just as every newborn has the chance of turning out good? Do you punish everyone in case they turn out bad?

Terrorism isn't an exclusively Islamic thing. On the contrary, the worst terrorists are often white, and not Muslims. The right wing extremists are apparently a far worse problem internationally, and we seem to be doing our utmost to appease them.

Do I think the girl should return. Actually, assuming the reports I have read are accurate, no. I am concerned that she still doesn't appear to think she has done anything wrong, and doesn't appear to understand why people are wary. However, we, as a country, cannot change our rules just because of one person. We cannot make her an exception.

This part of this post may come across as patronising. If it does, I apologise, patronising or offending others is not my intent, but I think society (this applies to everyone, but particularly to Muslim society) has a problem. The young feel that their elders are not listening to them, and not allowing them to question their elders. The young are frequently wrong, but so are people from every age group.

This is isolating the young from their elders and is causing resentment. Feelings of Resentment and isolation that various groups (including ISIS) have proved effective at using to radicalise people. I am not Muslim myself, but I base that opinion on talking to many Muslim friends.

I've seen several documentaries where they talked to people that ISIS groomed, and, in the beginning at least, when ISIS recruiters approached people they thought were vulnerable on social media, they just made friends online and encouraged people to talk about their problems, then offered a "solution", frequently promising a luxury lifestyle, the cost of which they didn't reveal, which ultimately involved moving to an ISIS territory and joining ISIS.

I think Technology, while being a massive help to us, is also a massive part of this problem. When I was at school, we were taught not to trust strangers, often watching horrifying public information films featuring kids being enticed in to knackered old Datsuns never to be seen again. Social media can force us to talk to strangers, but it also enables them to hide their true identity and we may build up a trust with a stranger who is lying to us without us knowing. That is not good.

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This is especially true of the present Islamic community however this will change when the next generation is "Western Radicalised".

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Yes we have a justice system but why should I and others help contribute our hard earned tax contributions towards the possible court hearings/cases.

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Should we just pretend it never happened?

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Well I don't think we should go out of our way to get her back but if she ends up here then I think that's the proper way to handle it.

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She's given another interview saying the Manchester bombings were justified now, makes me wonder if she actually wants to come back at all, which suits me just fine actually, Syria is welcome to you. I hear her patents have been blaming every one but themselves and her to, the school, the council blah blah, perhaps they should look a little closer to home

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BREAKING: ISIS bride Shamima Begum 'has British citizenship revoked'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...begum-14022379



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47299907

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Best news i have heard all day. :)

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Me to, actions have consequences, Bangladesh should have got in first

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Now i guess the human rights lawyers will go into overdrive.

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Can she claim legal aid?

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Not from the UK

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Bet the parents are already claiming it for their legal team trying to get the silly little cow back.:rolleyes:

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I doubt she would need to,other people will fund her legal challenge and i think she will win.

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It'll take a while though and we'll appeal, it'll be years before the legal process is exhausted with a bit of luck

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TBH I think revoking citizenship should be done by the courts anyway. A government being able to revoke someone being British just like that? That's not a good power for them to have, it's not a good precedent to set. It's always going to be against the most supportive cases in which we're asked to accept overreaches of power, nobody wants to lobby for a terrorist, but if this holds up this is something they can do again....

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Let's have the courts grant citizenship then or does that sound as stupid as having them revoke it?

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Deportation, extradition, and citizenship matters are officially classed by the Grand Chamber of European Court of Human Rights(not directly EU connected) as administrative matters, and therefore there is NO right to a "fair hearing". Several rulings have been made on the issues.

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You get citizenship if you having British parents or they live here and have right to Remain or you become one. Who is one Government minister to say that you are no longer British and to take all the rights that citizenship gives you? There should be a legal process to remove it not a legal process to have it removed and then maybe returned.

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And who is one Judge or Immigration Tribunal Judge(usually just a solicitor) to decide? The Judges of the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights have ruled on the matter.