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Mr Angry 22-02-2015 18:17

Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Shock!

"Many who admit to being 'racially prejudiced' insist they are 'not racist', however"

"Around half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races, new opinion research has found.


When Ukip voters were asked by the pollster YouGov whether they would describe themselves as prejudiced “against people of other races”, only 49 per cent said they were not prejudiced.

42 per cent of the party’s supporters admitted to being “a little prejudiced” while 6 per cent said they were “very prejudiced” – a total of 48 per cent.

The results of the poll suggest that Ukip voters admit to being significantly more racially prejudiced than the population as a whole."


http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...w460/ohgod.png

http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...460/racist.png

Indy.

Taf 22-02-2015 18:27

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Racism will grow if immigration is not reduced or halted, and acts of terror will stoke the fires too. Failure to integrate is also a major factor.

Pierre 22-02-2015 18:30

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Or they're just being honest.

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It doesn't say what the race of those asked was?

Damien 22-02-2015 18:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35760799)
It doesn't say what the race of those asked was?

Does that matter especially? 'Other' races would be races other than that of the person being asked.

Dave42 22-02-2015 18:37

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
and people believe the lies that they not a racist party shocking when they are

Sirius 22-02-2015 18:38

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
I hate them blue buggers from Avatar, does that make me racist :LOL:

Damien 22-02-2015 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35760804)
I hate them blue buggers from Avatar, does that make me racist :LOL:

It would if they were not fictional. Lucky escape there.

Osem 22-02-2015 18:45

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Nearly all the threads on UKIP here emanate from the OP - I wonder why? :D

Not bad for a party which has never been in power and probably never will.

Mr Angry 22-02-2015 18:55

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35760803)
and people believe the lies that they not a racist party shocking when they are

I think a considerable number of the electorate are quite prepared to condone certain degrees of racism to sate their own grievances.

The second diagram / chart shows that those who consider themselves to be of a racist bent (of whatever political hue) are plentiful in the piolitical sphere but just not as open and candid (some might say "stupid") in how they exercise those views as certain other parties..

Pierre 22-02-2015 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35760802)
Does that matter especially? 'Other' races would be races other than that of the person being asked.

Maybe these are UKIP supporters?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/20/this-a...-flat-5071384/

Damien 22-02-2015 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35760812)

I doubt that, UKIP don't draw a lot of support from black people or other minority groups. Even so I don't understand the relevance. Even if they were UKIP supporters it would still be racist.

Sirius 22-02-2015 19:06

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35760809)
Nearly all the threads on UKIP here emanate from the OP - I wonder why? :D

Not bad for a party which has never been in power and probably never will.

I will make my mind up when i walk into the voting booth, Then and only then will i decide who will get my vote. All this rubbish being posted in the papers and reported on the news channels about all the parties is boring me to tears. I already have a good idea who on this forum will vote for who by there posts :)

Osem 22-02-2015 19:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35760814)
I will make my mind up when i walk into the voting booth, Then and only then will i decide who will get my vote. All this rubbish being posted in the papers and reported on the news channels about all the parties is boring me to tears. I already have a good idea who on this forum will vote for who by there posts :)

I have a very good idea who I won't be voting for... (see below) ;)

Some folks are clearly crapping themselves about UKIP's presence - they'd prefer it if the status quo endured. UKIP is the cat amongst the establishment pigeons and that's in large part their appeal. Good I say! :D

Taf 22-02-2015 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35760813)
....UKIP don't draw a lot of support from black people or other minority groups.

Several of my "minority group" friends are all saying they will vote UKIP because they are "sick of the European economic migrants and those who are coming here from Africa via Europe". Racist? Possibly. Realist? Probably.

Carlos Carboni 22-02-2015 20:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35760806)
It would if they were not fictional. Lucky escape there.

I had an allergic reaction the other day from the food colouring of a blueberry muffin treated at A & E. I was living proof that smurfs do exit!

v0id 22-02-2015 20:05

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http://i.imgur.com/pbmiGbU.jpg :D

Osem 22-02-2015 20:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35760829)
Several of my "minority group" friends are all saying they will vote UKIP because they are "sick of the European economic migrants and those who are coming here from Africa via Europe". Racist? Possibly. Realist? Probably.

Yup and we know loads of C & E Europeans who are vehemently opposed to third world immigration into the UK in particular. Is that a surprise? If you see how people from the third world are treated in those parts of Europe it's not exactly a surprise. If you understand how they fear being undercut by others it's not a surprise either. The only thing which is a surprise is that the know it all Eurocrats and open borders brigade apparently didn't factor that into any of their 'we'll all live happily ever after' equations.

TheDaddy 22-02-2015 20:06

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35760809)
Nearly all the threads on UKIP here emanate from the OP - I wonder why? :D

Not bad for a party which has never been in power and probably never will.

Spoken like a true kipper, Mr A and everyone else are against the party, conveniently forgetting, ignoring, not bothering to check that he attacks Dave, Tony, Ed, Gideon etc pretty much equally, not your fault osem, its a trait that permeates the party like a cancer and the party will need to cut it out if they want to play politics with the big boys, they'll need to accept that they will be held accountable for things they and their supporters say and do just like the other parties and when they finally do, guess what, they'll be like all the other parties

papa smurf 22-02-2015 20:19

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woo hoo another interesting ukip thread -i can't wait for tomorrows equally interesting ukip thread .:woot:

i think this ukip bashing is probably sponsored by the bum twitching party

Osem 22-02-2015 20:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35760842)
woo hoo another interesting ukip thread -i can't wait for tomorrows equally interesting ukip thread .:woot:

i think this ukip bashing is probably sponsored by the bum twitching party

and they have a very small membership... :D

I'm waiting for forthcoming threads from the same source - all manner of 'interesting' stuff will be revealed I'm sure, like:

"95% of UKIP voters drink milk"
"UKIP Councillor caught buying white bin bags"
"Nigel Farage never drinks Guinness"
"UKIP Councillor on night out chooses fish & chips over kebab"

:D

Hugh 22-02-2015 20:50

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Interesting, yet amusing, viewpoint.

When other parties are criticised, they are seen as "fair game" - anyone points out anything detrimental against St Nigel and his acolytes, it's "UKIP bashing".........

Osem 22-02-2015 21:55

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35760849)
Interesting, yet amusing, viewpoint.

When other parties are criticised, they are seen as "fair game" - anyone points out anything detrimental against St Nigel and his acolytes, it's "UKIP bashing".........

Well that was the intention ;) However, not really the point I was making. The point is that nearly all this stuff is trivial when compared to what those who wield the real power have been up to for decades. For a party of losers, lunatics and no hopers, UKIP certainly do attract lots of attention amongst a few people around here. I can't think why if they're not a threat... ;)

Just for the record and in case some people don't know, I won't be voting Labour in the near (or distant) future. I believe we do need an EU referendum and tend to believe Cameron will deliver on that if elected. I will vote strategically at the next election for what I feel is the least worst option at the time.

Ramrod 22-02-2015 22:05

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
imo....It's normal to be racist. It's a evolutionary survival trait to be suspicious of others from outside our 'tribe' Be they black, white or green.
Deal with it.

Damien 23-02-2015 06:17

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35760864)
imo....It's normal to be racist. It's a evolutionary survival trait to be suspicious of others from outside our 'tribe' Be they black, white or green.
Deal with it.

People have been using dodgy evolutionary arguments to justify racism for decades. Ultimately however going back to when we were cavemen shows how out of place racism should be in civilised society.

Thankfully I would say that majority of people will not just accept it. Even this poll shows that it remains a minority. It's not normal and people will not just 'deal with it.

Hugh 23-02-2015 08:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35760864)
imo....It's normal to be racist. It's a evolutionary survival trait to be suspicious of others from outside our 'tribe' Be they black, white or green.
Deal with it.

You appear to be confusing stereotyping with prejudice, discrimination, and racism....

Ramrod 23-02-2015 12:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35760910)
You appear to be confusing stereotyping with prejudice, discrimination, and racism....

I suspect it's all part of the same continuum :shrug:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35760884)
Ultimately however going back to when we were cavemen shows how out of place racism should be in civilised society.

I'm not sure that we are all that far removed from cavemen. You can dress us in shoes and clothes and put a smartphone in our hands but that doesn't really change our baseline reactions and mentality if the sh*t hits the fan.

Ignitionnet 23-02-2015 18:13

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A whole bunch of people do I'm sure harbour racist views. The question is whether the more sensible and reasonable, conscious parts of their brains kick in and control their attitude and actions before they do anything.

In an ideal world no-one would hold racist views but the best we can hope for is that no-one acts on them, and no-one suffers prejudice because of their race.

Ramrod 23-02-2015 20:36

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35761060)
A whole bunch of people do I'm sure harbour racist views. The question is whether the more sensible and reasonable, conscious parts of their brains kick in and control their attitude and actions before they do anything.

Well put. It's almost like you have first hand experience of this ;)

Osem 24-02-2015 07:06

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
This is common sense isn't it? It's remarkable to me that anyone can seriously believe that our base instincts are so far removed from the distant past when there are myriad examples of the most grotesque and abhorrent treatment of fellow human beings all around the globe, based on nothing more than 'difference' whether colour, race, religion, tribe, gang or creed. How's that for being accepting, open and politically correct 21st C. homo sapiens then?

Ignitionnet 24-02-2015 07:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35761099)
Well put. It's almost like you have first hand experience of this ;)

I'm only human. I was also brought up in a quite racist household which didn't help.

Chris 24-02-2015 07:51

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
One of the reasons we criminalise actions and not thoughts in this country.

Damien 24-02-2015 07:59

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Humans are not instinctive animals though. The key part of our evolution was the ability to reason and be self-aware. We may have once been roaming, violent, tribes of at most 100 people but this doesn't differentiate us from many other animals. That we were able to form large collectives, societies and finally entire empires and civilisations was because of our ability to think and communicate with each other and to form common stories or concepts which bind us (nations/religions etc). We have moral codes and laws which are also not an innate part of existence. This isn't abnormal or superficial, it's core to our species. It is simply wrong to assert humans are nothing more than cavemen with a level of artifice on top. The last 6,000 years didn't happen by accident.

In fact you could argue that it was the ability to think up stories, nations, religions(*) and more which was led to racism, xenophobia and anti-Semitism. It's a corruption of our ability to form cohesive societies.

Despite people claiming otherwise we do not have a great understanding of early human history. You can use dubious evolutionary reasons for this stuff but there isn't a great deal of evidence to support it. We know humans killed each other but we don't know if it was because of 'differences'. It is unlikely tribes came across much variation in their lifetimes. Scientists are increasingly believing that racism is a learned behaviour and not a instinctive one. If you look around the animal kingdom there isn't evidence that it exists in other species....

*from the perspective of an atheist anyway

Russ 24-02-2015 08:05

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
I think what's important is someone's definition of 'racist'.

There are those who think racism means to attack and be violent towards anyone of a different skin colour, to deny them rights etc. So whereas they may feel uncomfortable around other races and secretly wished they'd "go away", as they're not throwing bricks at them, shouting abuse etc then they don't consider themselves to be 'racist'. Not saying I think that's right or wrong, just an observation.

These internal feelings of uneasiness towards other races is something I believe can never ever be eradicated, indeed it may be evolutionary. I've never had a problem with anyone having those feelings. I've always said racism in itself is not a massive problem. It becomes one when it influences your behaviour negatively towards another person.

On the subject of being prejudice: if you go to an Indian restaurant, which race would you find yourself expecting the staff to be? You're pre-judging, but again it's not having a negative affect on others.

If your car breaks down and you call out the AA/RAC, you'll expect the driver to be male. Now I know both organisations have very high standards for its breakdown staff so it would make no difference if they were male or female but you would find yourself pre-judging. It's human nature.

Escapee 24-02-2015 18:43

Re: Half of Ukip voters say they are prejudiced against people of other races.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35760829)
Several of my "minority group" friends are all saying they will vote UKIP because they are "sick of the European economic migrants and those who are coming here from Africa via Europe". Racist? Possibly. Realist? Probably.

Hard to believe but pretty much my experience. Immigrants that have had to jump through the hoops and take citizenship tests that I know are generally not impressed with European migrants and those claiming asylum who just waltz in.

The Black friends I have are pretty much right wing with their political views.

TheDaddy 24-02-2015 19:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 35761296)

The Black friends I have are pretty much right wing with their political views.

They (immigrants here) nearly always are the most vocal, its all most as if they're saying I'm here sod the rest of them, pull that draw bridge up

figgyburn 24-02-2015 19:28

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I do not usually post any thought's on racial discussions as it opens up a hornet's nest. but i concur with a lot of posters thought's that it is inbred in us since time began. if they are "not like us" a little light goes off somewhere in our brain. a simple example. if you as a white man and an other white man and a black man were in a room and you were put in a position where you could only save one of them i pretty sure most white men would automatically choose to save the white person. i daresay if the colours were reversed a black man would save the other black man. Basic instinct.

Hugh 24-02-2015 19:31

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Well, we don't club women any more to mate with them, or leave our old out to die when they can't forage, so perhaps we are capable of rising above our "basic instincts"....

papa smurf 24-02-2015 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35761312)
Well, we don't club women any more to mate with them, or leave our old out to die when they can't forage, so perhaps we are capable of rising above our "basic instincts"....

you might not where you you live -but we go out clubbing on a Saturday night and i don't mean dancing uggh :)

Ignitionnet 24-02-2015 19:58

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35761317)
you might not where you you live -but we go out clubbing on a Saturday night and i don't mean dancing uggh :)

You really aren't in the modern world, barbarian. No-one uses clubs anymore it's all about the Rohypnol.


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