Virgin Media to build again
 

Great news from VM, makes sense why the share price has been moving at a pace.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/vi...070000013.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...K-economy.html

"Connecting approximately 4 million more UK homes and businesses to broadband speeds of 152Mb, at least twice the fastest speeds available from competitors
6,000 direct new jobs, including 1,000 new apprenticeships, created over five years
£3 billion of additional private investment expected to benefit the UK economy by £8 billion"

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

All investment is welcome although if they can afford to spend £3 billion then surely they can afford to give us those missing TV channels that we are still waiting for.

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Think it depends on the return on investment, they know what customer penetration they get when they compete head on with Sky and BT, therefore they will have a good idea of how many customers they will attract with the additional homes.

Will investing in the missing channels pay back in terms of customer growth?

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The thing is Mr Banana its all fine and well investing in your broadband network but one must take your eye off the ball in other parts of your network because if you do then any customers you gain one way you will lose in other ways so l think its very important to keep adding more channels including Sky Atlantic/ITV Encore and more OD content as Sky won't stand still in these departments as we have seen.

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The long awaited network infill program has arrived. But no rural build, & I assume no extension to areas where build never started, like East Kent/Thanet & East Sussex. Be interesting to see whether the expansion will be HFC or FTTP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31451174

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You assume that everyone who has Virgin wants Atlantic and more channels, i dont for instance and do not want to see my costs increase to provide a channel i dont watch or need. However i do want my broadband to be fit for purpose. If Virgin are to compete then they need to expand and adding more tv channels is NOT expansion.

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TBH I don't think anyone can truly expect VM to perform any major rural buildouts as the finances simply don't add up. It is great news to see them in a position that allows them to plan urban infill and buildout mind.

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I notice that the BBC have covered this in some detail but it is missing from Sky news :LOL:

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Great news, well done Liberty & Virgin.
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015/...-for-a-decade/

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Just watched an interview with VM CEO and he made some interesting points. VM are approaching the build in a way that they can get to new customers fast. He pointed out that BT have infrastructure in rural areas that they were given when they were privatised, yet they use the government funding they apply for and spend in areas where VM already are.

His view is that they should be using that money in rural areas?

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l don't assume that everybody wants Sky Atlantic and more OD content but quite a lot do and that's why they should keep investing in the TV area because its all very fine and well investing in your broadband and l am fine with that but you must not take your eye off the ball in other areas because if you do then customers will just up sticks and go elsewhere sadly if your TV offering stagnates or deteriorates.

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In Wales the subsidised fibre roll-out does seem to be targeting rural/semi rural areas rather than the densely populated urban centres, most of which BT were already upgrading on a purely commercial basis.

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I agree to an extent but it still comes down to will they gain more custom by investing in those channels. From what I can gather the answer is no, within the results they also mention that churn is at a record low.

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This build is not just for Broadband, it covers Tv and phone as well.

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Anyway, let's not keep posting in a thread about the largest private network build in a decade or two about a TV channel one provider has that another does not. Plenty of other threads to complain about content in.

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:tu:

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I strongly suspect I'll see Virgin Media contractors doing there thing around here, though possibly not at this property, as we will in every major city to plug gaps.

£750 per home passed makes a lot of previously unviable infill viable. They may finally get around to putting cable in the empty ducts and cabinets on the pavements to the south, west and north of here now! :)

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We have been getting lots of info fired at us this morning in work. I can tell you this is not bluster on the part of VM its going to happen and on a big scale :D

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with Sky entering the mobile market too soon VM cant take eye of ball in any department now

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They kept it bloody quiet, so fair play to them for that!

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Big wow! The price will be increasing soon. Far too expensive!

Plus this bad news:

Virgin Media that will see the current 152 Mbps service going faster probably in the next 12 months and are a little surprised that this was not in todays announcement.

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Telford if you have nothing constructive to add go play with your toys and leave this to the grown ups

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Its a big wow in terms of investment and job creation. Try an on line dictionary if you are unsure what investment means.

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I started to hear about this 2 weeks ago but we were NOT allowed to tell anyone.

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They probably want to wait until its nearer the time they start rolling it out, hopefully Liberty Global want to move away from all the coming soon nonsense that VM and NTL had and try and firm things up more before they announce them.

They can quite easily release a statement in a few months time which says in addition to the expansion of our network we are today announcing we are upgrading everyones speed to x.

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Definitely long overdue, but I'm slightly concerned that I've seen more congestion on the network as a whole lately (purely anecdotal, mind you) so I hope they're going to keep upgrading the existing areas with capacity as well.

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Sorry I opened a thread here before I was directed to this one.http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post35759056

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Yes i also have congestion for a change every evening from 6pm until 11pm so i hope they get it sorted!

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I asked on the other thread if we knew whether VM were going to use their existing network architecture for the extended network, or go for something less prone to congestion?

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More and more congestion on the network for virgin media

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So essentially is this a program to now fill the areas that lack Virgin Media but have BT's FTTC to enable a choice and price war?

I'm just outside of their network but you can get Virgin further into the town about a mile each way missing my estate out in the middle but we can get fibre from BT.

There are cable ducts one side of the main road below the estate but I've been told they contain the link to the two networks either side. It's weird because there are even paths to the properties and caps but no service. Money probably ran out at the time.

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New nodes attached to new CMTS cards with core network scaled to match. No new congestion at all.

Also congestion peaked late last year and is improving now as upgrades come online.

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Thank you for making that correction.


What do you reckon to the network architecture issue. Will VM go for fibre to the node as now or something more like FTTC, but with multiple coax out to the properties? I think they would be mad to repeat the weakness of the current, ex-NTL. configuration.

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The current build is FTTC, the weaknesses come in old equipment and design eg 2000 home nodes, with reseg work these are gradually being phased out anyway, and new build will be a maximum of 500 home node, probably more like 250

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Certainly is Bill

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It'll be a mixture of HFC, Deep Fibre and FTTH. It'll be horses for courses

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Bit more info on VM's plans courtesy of Liberty Global's investor relations page.

From page 8 of this slide http://www.libertyglobal.com/pdf/pre...tion-FINAL.pdf
The 4m premises targeted will be less than 50 metres from VM's network and two-thirds are less than 20 metres away. VM is targeting about 40% penetration and is looking at an average revenue per user of £45.

From page 3 of VM's Q4 results http://www.libertyglobal.com/pdf/pre...ease-FINAL.pdf
"In order to achieve what we believe will be attractive returns, we plan to undertake a network extension programme pursuant to which we may connect up to an estimated four million additional homes and businesses to our broadband communications network from 2015 through 2020 (the U.K. Network Extension), thereby enabling these incremental homes to subscribe to
our market-leading services.
These additional premises were identified through a detailed review of our existing network that highlighted an opportunity to drive further scale by targeting accretive network extensions. The U.K. Network Extension will be completed in phases and will initially focus on the most accretive expansion opportunities. Depending on a variety of factors, including the financial and operational results of the earlier phases of the programme, the U.K. Network Extension may be modified or cancelled at our discretion ."

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Liberty Global's investor relations statement on the UK network expansion has this to say this on the subject. "Liberty Global is a global leader in innovation and new technologies and is preparing trials of DOCSIS 3.1 technology across Europe later this year. This technology could extend Liberty Global’s speed leadership to up to 10Gb when it is fully deployed in the future."
http://www.libertyglobal.com/pdf/pre...astructure.pdf

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I am struggling to believe that there are 4.5 million premises with 50m of network or that this would need £3 billion to achieve, but if that's what the man said it is what it is.

Actually if I am honest I am quite sure that's not the case. Thinkbroadband ran some numbers that seem to disagree.

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To be a nitpicker - 4m. They're quite definite about it (on page 8 of these slides) so maybe all those semi-cabled areas add up? Particularly if they're blocks of flats. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with you.

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New housing developments and MDUs are also part of the plan from what I can gather.

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Andrew at Think Broadband is going to run the data over the weekend.

If VM are targeting 60% coverage the need to pass about 4.4 million more premises.

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Have to correct myself. If the build is all going to be so close to existing network rather than actually building out to adjacent areas some of the premises will probably be fed from the existing coaxial network.

I was, it seems, optimistic. Only building within 50m gives a big FTTPR vibe and continues to leave me bemused as to why it would be so expensive. I was quoted £600-ish per home passed for an entire estate.

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

thats a bit of shame as my mates estate is half mile away from the nearest cab... god only knows why they didnt cable it as it was a council estate back then with some sizable private properties too, and going through this estate/village would give them access to the next one as its pretty much nextdoor,

i.e. the nearest network is just outside Guildford Town Centre (1 - 2 miles) ---> Shalford is offgrid (2 - 3 miles from town 1/2 mile from nearest cab) ---> Chilworth could be served if shalford was... makes no sense as to why they left it out...

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BT were not 'given that infrastructure' they bought it when they were privatised through share holdings. The government were paid by share holders when they sold their stake in the company in 1991 - 1993 and they were also paid previously when BT privatised and floated on the stock market. I hate this attitude that BT were given their network and given the monopoly on telecommunications in this country.

BT do use government subsidised finances to fibre up the rural areas where it wouldn't otherwise be profitable for BT to do so.

These are all areas where Virgin already is and there are huge service gaps, so it looks like Virgin won't be coming to any new areas any time soon.

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Yes, this is fantastic. 6,000 jobs created. The Tories will be happy, as they can tout it as their doing.

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And on top of a good bonus

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Perhaps then, if you think it is s bit expensive for more of the same network architecture, VM are seriously thinking of something closer to FTTC. This would leave them able to offer FTTP at a price, but cheaper than if they tried to offer it to residential customers and small businesses from the node.

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Have a listen to the webcast yourself, the key bit on this is around 0.48.55 minutes into it and let me know what you think. Fries is not being entirely clear, yet if you read between the lines, he is.

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They will def get a FTTP service.

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Kick in the teeth for those VM employees that lost jobs though

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I thought he mentioned FTTP but I listened live so may have miss heard

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...you did not mishear:

I reckon that's the "between the lines" I was talking about and is my take on, ie VM moving to a more FTTC type service.

Here's the direct quote from Fries when asked about how they'll build out the infill:

"...it is an evolution of the current infrastructure as opposed to a wholesale change to the current infrastructure. So, fibre will be deeper and you know in many cases right to the premise. Erm, but we do think that docsis 3.1 and the advantages of that will be substantial across that."

"...they'll be no copper....largely fibre..."

So, my opinion on this as well as doing the infill, they'll do a few upgrades to the existing network with some areas getting a FTTC or FTTP service.

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3000 axed, according to Fries.

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The results and this announcement have landed well with the investment houses, share price up 5.5% today.

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Is that 3000 across LG, thought it was 600 in VM?

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

Wasn't the majority of redundancies (I say redundancies, but actually a lot were on temp contracts so weren't technically made redundant) call centre and tech support staff? Sent to offshore, rather than actual engineers? Whereas I imagine most of these new positions will be engineers.

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No, that was top and middle management jobs.

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All in VM.It wasn't stated who lost their jobs, they always refer to job losses as "headcount reduction". Nice and cold phrase. It would make more sense to sack the offshore call centre staff who are poor and have more staff here, but the Indians are 90% cheaper...

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So 4million homes, 40% penetration on that, average RGU of £45 per user...

That works out at £864million per year, give or take. Given Virgin's current penetration and average RGU, those figures are a little bit conservative but that seems like a good investment really.

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Your figure of 4.4m clearly works based on VM's figure of 29m premises and existing coverage of 13m premises currently passed. Is the 60% coverage definite? Maybe the 0.4m will come from new build and the existing network extension, afterall we're talking about five years into the future aren't we?

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And yet they're specifically trialling new methods to deliver rural fibre more cost-effectively...

http://recombu.com/digital/article/v...dgeshire-trial

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

Exciting stuff! It's going to take years to deploy and I don't see how their debt constraints are going to help with the matter, they simply haven't got the money to enable a full scale role out anytime soon as far as I can see? It's a shame someone can't come along and wipe the slate clean so they can start afresh and investing in the future of our country. But this and their new roll out announcement is a step in the right direction for sure.

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And what a bonus :D

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What debt constraints? LG are incredibly good at managing debt and raising finance. In the last 18 months alone, they have bought VM for 16billion, Ziggo for 9.4 billion, 481 million for stake in ITV, 183 million euros sorting out some competition stuff in Germany, announced 3 billion VM investment and on top of all that they are in the middle of a 3 year plan to buy back 6.5 billion dollars worth of shares.

Yes they have loads of debt but it's mangagable debt

They are very canny in what they invest in and even if the slate was wiped clean, I doubt they would invest in rural areas.

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? When.

There were 600 mainly management roles went about a year ago.

And many of those were given fantastic packages

I'm pretty sure if 3000 had gone I'd have remembered it.

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Okay! There are about 0.7 million premises within 20m of existing network so best guess is that these distances refer to where builds are to start. So you have a 1,500 premises estate and the edge is within 50m the build starts within 50m.

Makes sense to me anyways. Sadly suspect I am still out of luck but c'est la vie. :)

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Once those teams have done the closer places with a great return then they might be tempted to look at your area before disbanding the team. I guess it depends on how successful they are in signing up customers. Couldn't they use your house as a training exercise? :)

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

Would someone mind adding this news to the front page?

It hasn't been updated for nearly a year now and surely this deserves to be on the front page.

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Over the last couple of years there has been thousands of jobs go at VM.

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But it's still debt, there's just good at moving it around.
They won't be cabling the rest of the nation any time soon if at all. These little roll outs and trials are a drop in the ocean compared to what's needed. They can't just keeping piling on more and more debt when there is no guarantee of a return. It's look like they are living beyond their means. I understand they are a LG are a humongous company and can service the debt by spreading it out amongst their other companies but it looks like they are spending money where they don't need to?

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No there hasn't

Quite obviously, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

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Oh, ok then, you clearly know better than them. Maybe you should get in touch with Mike Fries and offer your substantial financial knowledge to him, on a consultancy basis.

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

I have been speaking with people and have another angle of attack in mind.

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Saying something doesn't make it correct, you need to prove it.
The employee numbers for Virgin Media Ltd per their accounts are:
31/12/2013 14,074 (Change +722)
31/12/2012 13,352 (Change +265)
31/12/2011 13,087 (Change -206)
So, there have not been thousands of net job losses. What are your figures?

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What is your business case that says they won't earn the money back? Their lenders have been convinced to the tune of £3bn that they are correct. VM have published their case and I've summarised it earlier in this thread.

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Cool, good luck. :)

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

Nobody said net job losses. A net change of +700 doesn't discount the possibility they fired 10,000 staff and hired 10,700 new ones. There may be a net gain despite also having several thousand ****ed off unemployed people who got fired.

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But they didn't, so it doesn't matter.

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Will do, thanks for the pointer, do you have his contact details?

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A quick Google search is your friend. 2200 for instance. Huge numbers were laid off, even if they were replaced in other departments.

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Exactly right.

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Like I said, £3bn is small compared to the mass investment they would need to really expand. They are effectively plugging in the gaps of their network with this £3bn they have quoted.

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Link?

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Don't bother just did a Google search. The story of 2,200 jobs is from 2008 a 7 years ago not
The last couple of years.

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

http://commsbusiness.co.uk/news/virg...unce-job-cuts/
http://www.lbc.co.uk/major-job-losse...gin-media-5553

The there are the departments at Cable Plaza, where sales, customer service, SOC etc were either laid off or told to travel all the way to Birmingham.

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If you read it properly, you would have seen that the majority of those jobs went in 2010 although announced in 2008. So very much relevant and doesn't detract from the fact that thousands have lost their jobs!

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As far as l can see they announced 2200 jobs cuts in 2008 plus Virgin Media were to cut 600 top and middle management posts from 2013.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7722644.stm

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...nagement-posts

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I did read it and it's irrelevant, a story from 7 years ago when VM was first formed. Is not the last couple of years and does not back up you assertion in any way.

Just goes further to prove that you make statements that are uninformed or just plain wrong and add nothing to the discussion.

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

You originally said, thousands of jobs in the last couple of years. You are wrong, it was 600 as announced when LG bought Virgin Media.

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You're right, I got the couple of years wrong, time's gone quicker than I realised lol. But the majority of workers announced in 2008 actually went in 2010, which wasn't that long ago.

Those figures aren't for the many workers under temporary contracts either, so there has been many more than figures touted in the press. The office I worked in where there were over a 100 staff, 70% at least were on temp contracts. Shame really.

I'm not knocking Virgin by the way.

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Folks, any chance we get this thread back onto talking about VM's build out plans please, not job losses? The 3000 job losses was announced by Mike Fries in Liberty's webcast on Friday. Whether that is correct or not, who knows, take it up with him if it's not.

Now lets get back to what many of us have been wanting from the cable industry for years, more cables being laid. And about time too!

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:tu: My mother has been waiting for years in hopes of getting VM, it may happen now as she is 100 metres from a cabled road.

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I don't particularly want to get into this argument, but I can confirm that Virgin closed at least 1 major call centre in 2011 and consolidated a bunch of other ones.

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Indeed l hate getting into arguments as well and l just thought l would post a couple of links as to what has happened in the last few years.:)

As l say its a very welcome investment but one hopes that they don't ignore the other parts of their business which l am sure they won't.

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I work in planning so its really good news for me :)

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Stop planning and start doing :p:

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We have been warned we are going to be BUSY :)

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Seeing as you also previously worked for Virgin Media like me, you probably understand what I mean about the majority of the call centres being temporary staff and easily let go and consolidated. I know there were consolidations, redundancy and temporary contracts axed in Cable Plaza. Around about the 300 figure. Customer services, sales and business were axed and SOC were sent to Birmingham, but the majority refused to move and were let go.

Then there's the Albert dock etc as well.

Temp positions really should be reported in the media, even if they don't "technically" work for Virgin Media.

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Great news Sirius, exciting time ahead and I hope you are compensated royally for all the extra work you will be doing.;)

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I always plan ahead, it means I don't have to do anything right now.

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Planning department doesn't exist.... Its just a black whole where all requests disappear

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I feel that IF VM are investing in a better service. Then they should give us more channels that are out there.
And yes, ITV Encore and Atlantic. This is what customers want. and also am UK based call centre

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It does exist, I've spoken to them.

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I am getting paid for doing nothing then
:LOL:

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Hi UK based Call Centre, I'm Kushan.

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:LOL:

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You can't blame that on Virgin though. If Sky want to keep Atlantic exclusive to them then they are entitled to do so. ITV encore is just re-runs anyway and again if Sky are willing to pay ITV good money for exclusivity then that's between Sky and ITV, however seeing as LG has now massively invested in ITV I would think that we will see ITV channels come to Virgin, it would make no sense otherwise.

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I'll be interested to know, if you're allowed to post, what the plans will actually be. The Liberty webcast wasn't clear.... VM will be using FTTP, but using DOCSIS 3.1 too..... Not sure how that will work!

I'm interested to know if VM really do start using FTTP for some of this infill and if any new areas get cabled too, rather than just infilling the gaps. 4 billion quid seems an awful lot of dosh just for infill... especially if it uses more modern techniques like micro trenching rather than gangs of blokes ripping the streets to bits, like the good 'ole days.

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The FTTP trials Virgin used before still used DOCSIS, DOCSIS doesn't rely on the transmission medium being coaxial.

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

....interesting, thanks.

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Agree with you on the UK-based call centres. Not sure what the percentage is at the moment, would be interesting to know.
But you know as well as anyone does that Sky is asking far too much for Atlantic so that no competitors to Sky can afford to have it. If TalkTalk and Wight Cable had it but Virgin didn't, you might have a point. But they don't.
However, if Virgin expands its network and adds a million and a half new customers then it will be in a far better bargaining position to get Atlantic.
(ITV Encore should be with us in about a year, it is a Sky exclusive for 18 months or so.)

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio...ncy_over_glass

Along with some fibre deep / FTTLA and some standard HFC.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTTLA

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

At the moment i cannot go into what system we will use for the deployment or where. I will once we are are allowed to.

Re: Virgin Media to build again
 

Well, do some more of it, then..... :D

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Hope they cable Sheffield, my brother is only a few metres from the VM network. (S4 7XX if anyone can help). :)