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Mr Angry

11-02-2015 19:47

Atheist kills three muslims. Dawkins condemns his actions.

They're all at it now.

"Prominent atheist Richard Dawkins has condemned the attack"

"The man arrested on suspicion of killing three young Muslims in North Carolina described himself as an “anti-theist” and criticised all religions online.

Police said 46-year-old Craig Stephen Hicks handed himself in to officers in Chapel Hill overnight in the wake of the deaths of 23-year-old Deah Shaddy Barakat, his wife Yusor Mohammad, 21, and her sister, Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, 19.

He has been arrested and charged with three counts of first-degree murder."

Independent.

Gary L

11-02-2015 19:59

Re: Atheist kills three muslims. Dawkins condemns his actions.

We wake up now wondering what religious happenings are in the news today.

and go to bed wondering what religious happenings will there be tomorrow.

we need to make some pills that will erase religion from our brains.

Hugh	11-02-2015 20:11

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Point

Missed

Completely

Damien

11-02-2015 20:16

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Worth mentioning that he does seem to have been motivated by his 'anti-theism':

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The man arrested on suspicion of killing three young Muslims in North Carolina described himself as an “anti-theist” and criticised all religions online.

So do we need to organise a atheist march to say "Not in our name?" because frankly I am not sure I can be bothered. I suspect Dawkins might be having a passive aggressive jab by introducing the idea that his 'condemnation' is required as a fellow atheist.

Gary L

11-02-2015 20:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35758726)

Point

Missed

Completely

It'll come to you. if you give it time.

nomadking

11-02-2015 20:34

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Initially few further details were known about the case. In a statement on Wednesday, Chapel Hill Police said an ongoing parking dispute apparently led to the shooting, a theory which has been rejected by the father of the Abu-Salha sisters. Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha is reported to have said the incident was not parking related and described it as a "hate crime"

If it was white non-Muslims would we have heard about it?

papa smurf

11-02-2015 20:36

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three young lives taken its a terrible thing to do whatever the reason .

Mr Angry

11-02-2015 20:42

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Agreed Papa.

Dawkins is taking some quite vitriolic abuse over on Twitter.

Hugh	11-02-2015 20:45

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35758731)

If it was white non-Muslims would we have heard about it?

Yes.....

nomadking

11-02-2015 20:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35758735)

Yes.....

Really? There are enough cases just in this country that mysteriously are "missing".

Taf	11-02-2015 21:02

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Abed A. Ayoub, the legal and policy director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee appears to have started a twitter campaign to get the story into the headlines.

Damien

11-02-2015 21:03

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35758739)

Abed A. Ayoub, the legal and policy director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee appears to have started a twitter campaign to get the story into the headlines.

Probably because had it been a Muslim it would have been in the headlines.

nomadking

11-02-2015 21:32

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Did anyone hear about this one, for example?

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Five men have been convicted of murdering a Polish father of three who died after being hit with a hammer and kicked in a Derby street.
Police said they still did not know why the men from Derby attacked Serioza Lawskoski, 29, in Normanton last April.
Imran Rashid, 29, of Madeley Street, Raja Jeelani, 26, of Depot Street, Robuel Islam, 25, of Loudon Street, and brothers Usman and Rizwan Ahmed, 19 and 23, were found guilty after a trial.
...
In the same nine-week trial, Rashid and Jeelani were also convicted of conspiring to cause grievous bodily harm against 20-year-old Renato Blackwood, who was assaulted in St Mary's Wharf Road, Derby, on 1 January 2011. Kicked several times
Nottingham Crown Court heard Mr Lawskoski, from Leacroft Road, Pear Tree, Derby, was confronted by the gang shortly after leaving a friend's house in Cummings Street on the evening of 23 April.
...
The attack was unprovoked and Mr Lawskoski did not know the men. Prosecutors said he was asked "what are you looking at?" before being hit with a hammer and then kicked in the head several times as he lay on the ground.

Hugh	11-02-2015 21:52

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35758744)

Did anyone hear about this one, for example?

What, the one that was reported on the Sky, BBC, and ITV websites, and in the Independent, Mirror, and Guardian??

Conversely, I don't remember this being widely discussed/reported last month, whilst the recent story about the Muslim teenager who was threatening to kill a soldier has been front page news this month.

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A man armed with a machete and a hammer shouted “white power” as he launched a savage attack on an Asian shopper who was buying his lunch in a supermarket in North Wales, according to witnesses.

nomadking

11-02-2015 21:59

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35758748)

What, the one that was reported on the Sky, BBC, and ITV websites, and in the Independent, Mirror, and Guardian??

Had you heard about it? How many of the reports were national, ie not local, and/or listed the perpetrators? My point still stands and there are other examples that I know of, and certainly many more that I'm not.

Tezcatlipoca

11-02-2015 22:02

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Vox - One quote that shows how the media covers mass shootings differently based on race

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Originally Posted by Vox

We don't yet know the motivation for Tuesday night's murder of three young Muslim students in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Mainstream media coverage has taken a measured approach to reporting on the murders and avoided jumping to conclusions about what may have prompted the killings.

That's a good thing. We don't have much information about this crime yet, and speculating too much in the meantime won't be helpful. But to many members of the Muslim community in the US, the stark difference between this approach and the way the media has covered other crimes — particularly when committed by black or Muslim suspects — speaks to larger, frustrating issues, as perfectly summarized by this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SonyKapoor/statu...48695689900035

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Originally Posted by @SonyKapoor

I think this someone on my timeline who wrote this about the #ChapelHillShooting has half a point, what do you think?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/02/20.jpg

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Originally Posted by Vox

Or, even more bluntly, in this one:

https://twitter.com/JRehling/status/565586402151501825

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Originally Posted by @JRehling

Here's your guide to understanding the news.
#ChapelHillShooting

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9ld1e9CcAAMQeh.png

I can't really just copy and paste the entire article, but the whole thing is worth a read (and is not very long).

Pierre

11-02-2015 22:03

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no proof that it was religiously motivated. Police don't think it was.

Don't know why Dawkins got involved.

Hugh	11-02-2015 22:05

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35758750)

If you are not aware of them, how do you know there are "certainly many more"? :confused:

nomadking

11-02-2015 22:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35758754)

If you are not aware of them, how do you know there are "certainly many more"? :confused:

Because the few that I do know of, I came across by chance and not by an exhaustive search.

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Figures recently published under the Freedom of Information Act seem to support such fears: of the 58 people killed because of the colour of their skin between 1995 and 2004, almost half were described as white.
The British Crime Survey reveals that in 2004, 87,000 people who described themselves as black or minority ethnic (BME) had been victims of what they believed was a racially motivated crime. They had suffered 49,000 violent attacks, with 4,000 being wounded.
At the same time a staggering 92,000 white people also said that racism was the cause of an attack or crime they had suffered. The number of violent attacks against whites reached 77,000, while the number of white people who reported being wounded was five times the number of black and minority ethnic victims at 20,000.

There are key elements in cases. Was the victim chosen at random? Eg not an argument getting out of control. Is it an attack by a group on an individual?

Ignitionnet

11-02-2015 23:06

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Oh this is getting messy.

Still no evidence it was religiously motivated but I'm sure it's whipped Muslims and anti-atheists into a frenzy. Certainly the usual suspects on this side of the Atlantic wasted no time in jumping on the bandwagon to scream 'Islamophobia'.

EDIT: Grief. Reading that Indy article you'd think the man had shouted 'Praise Dawkins' as he fired the weapon.

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