Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

This could prove interesting.

"Social media users who spread racial hatred should be banned from sites such as Twitter and Facebook, MPs say.

The All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry into anti-Semitism wants prosecutors to examine whether prevention orders like those used to restrict sex offenders' internet access could be used.

The cross-party group also highlighted the use of anti-Semitic terms online.

Last week, a Community Security Trust report said UK anti-Semitic incidents more than doubled to 1,168 in 2014.

The trust - which monitors anti-Semitism in Britain - says this was its highest figure recorded since it began work in 1984."


BBC

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how long has Jewish[Judaism] been a race i thought it was a religious cult

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The Jewish people are a race descendant from the Israelites. So they've been a race for a very long time. Judaism is also a religion.

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You can become a Jew just as you can become a Muslim or a Catholic etc.
Link

If you marry somebody from one of those 3 religions, and you are not from their religion, you are likely to be "asked" to convert.

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so are you saying being a jew is genetic

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It'll be one good way to remove illiteracy from the internet.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

I think it's actually a bit debatable to the extent to which Jewish people now are a race. Still there is a differentiation between Judaism and the Jewish people even if the Jewish people are primarily followers of Judaism. We might need someone with a better understanding of the history of it all.

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I don't believe anyone involved in the report has stated that jews / judaism is a race. A report studying Anti-semitism simply noted:

"It was suggested to us that “whether, if it is not within the hate crime materials developed by CPS, guidance that specifically addresses racist/religious hatred based communications sent via social media should be developed”.

The report authors recommended that it should.

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I think historically a Jew is a member of the tribe of Judah (or latter the tribes that formed Judah as distinct from Israel).

Semitic people are (by definition) descendants of Shem, Noah's son, so includes the Arabs as well as Jews. Though generally it is applied to Jewish people only.

As to the report, does it matter whether is applies to a race or faith group, "hate speech" isn't something to tolerate? One issue though is the definition of "hate speech". If is solely based on whether the "recipient" feels it to be "hateful" then you can end up with simple criticism being declared as "hateful".

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Or just stick to being offended and having someone arrested for it.

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There is a guy on Liveleak who is very very very anti-Islamic and lives in Israel... He talks about how Islam is evil... and most Muslims hate anything non-Islamic. And that is why he hates Muslims.

When I pointed out that he was doing the same thing, by thinking all Muslims are evil because they are non-Jewish, he wasn't happy about it.

Religious people have to realize, that all Religions have their extremist groups and they are very very insignificant percentage of the whole population of their religion. And in most cases these extremists groups although misuse whatever religion they think they are a part of, most of the time the numbers aren't all that religion.

ISIS for example, not all of them are Islamic worshippers, but cry out for Islam. It is all hypocritical.

Don't get me started on Fox News though.... oh boy those guys are numpties, last week they had a guy on saying Birmingham was a no-go zone. And the other day another guy said in all other religions that 0% of killings weren't done in the name of that religion. Guess he forgot about David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh and Anders Breivik who have all killed in the name of Christianity.. (well Koresh burned everyone alive in Wako but kinda the same thing).

Even die hard Christians hate to be reminded they have had their fair share of extremists and terrorists. Cause how can that be since they are not the "evil Islam".

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One difference is that Christianity explicitly teaches "love your enemies"

Mt 5:44 "But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
Lk 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,"
Lk 6:35 "No! Love your enemies and do good to them;"

So even if there has be violence done in Christ's name it is clearly contrary to His teaching.

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

What is an enemy in biblical terms?

is it someone who fights you?

or is someone like a rapist classed as an enemy?
murderer?

would someone buy someone who murdered their child an all expenses paid trip to Alton Towers to fulfill their obligation. or would shaking their hand suffice?

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As usual, it's racism that is targetted for action. Historically, anti racist legislation has been introduced first and was stronger than legislation protecting other minorities.

Fortunately, the Equalities Act has ironed a lot of this out in the present day.

Anybody would think that racism was somehow worse than sexism, homophobia, disability discrimination etc.

I don't see why someone with racist views should be banned from social media, yet other bigots are allowed to remain.

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They too will be policed using the relevant legislations.

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Given that most sites are overseas any UK legislation is rendered useless.

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I think anyone with even an ounce of common sense will agree more people have died due to racism/xenophobia than other types of discrimination.

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I think you'll find people resident in the UK who post illegal material anywhere, irrespective of where sites are hosted, can be, have been and will continue to be subject to UK law.

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IMHO if it's not incitement to violence it shouldn't be banned at all.

At this rate making dirty jokes will be illegal soon.

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I do hope so.

All minority groups should be equally protected, regardless of this.

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They are, but if one type of discrimination occurs more than another then it will be dealt with more often.

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Minority groups that are now majority groups in some areas? And in many more areas soon enough?

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True.

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True - you can't move around some areas with tripping over all the Irish and Scots......

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That's right, but bears no relevance to my point that anti racist legislation has traditionally taken precedence over legislation to protect other minority groups in both timing and strength.

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Which of course is no more than just your perception.

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To be fair, he has point.

I think many would perceive it that way

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The trouble is where does banning certain groups stop? I really don't believe in censoring groups or individuals because it's a very short step to banning everyone that is deemed to have the wrong ideas and opinions.Free speech has to be extended to all in a democracy.

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This sounds like a very bad, very dangerous idea.

"We dont agree with your views, so we will ban you from everywhere".

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No it's not, it's fact. Anti racist legislation was the first anti discrimination law to be introduced. Subsequent laws to protect women, disabled people, gay people etc were weaker than the laws relating to race.

Well, I always say that the price to pay for being able to express oneself is having to allow others to express themselves also (even if you disagree with said views). This is different to allowing anybody to say what they like, regardless of the effects on others.

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Racial discrimination laws may well have been introduced first but considering the others being given less precedence and 'weaker' is just your perception.

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No it's not, the penalties for similar behaviour/offences were either less severe or simply did not exist for non racially motivated discrimination, harassment etc.

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Unless you can show any proof of that, it's still just your perception.

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It's fact- believe it or not, you don't actually know everything.

I don't care enough to do your donkey work for you- i'm pretty sure that the verification that you require will be available on the internet.

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Erm.....

Basic debating courtesy - you put forward a proposition, you back it up.....

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Just because something is your opinion does not make it a fact and as you're unable to back your view up with any evidence so far it will remain just your perception, as inconvenient as that may be to you.

I could tell everyone you have a conviction for fraud (I do not believe you have such by the way). Unless I can back it up with evidence it's just a perception. As Hugh says if you put forward a premise it's up to you to prove it, not for others to disprove.

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This is one thing that worries me. One of the foundations of our society is our freedom (within limits, admittedly) to express ourselves. That expression will, from time to time, cause offence. While I don't support racism in any way, shape or form, I am concerned that the amount of controls on what we say being increased will impact on our freedom to disagree with one another. I am worried that we'll end up in a situation where even if we don't get laws controlling what we believe and say, we'll be a situation where we are so concerned about how what we say is being heard that we'll limit it too much, which will have the same effect as any law.

This can (and will) be abused by some people.

Also, there is the slight problem of enforceability. Without the security services devoting a huge amount of resources to monitoring potentially thousands of people, how will we know that a person who has just had some sort of order banning their online access given to them, hasn't just left the court, gone into an internet cafe (there are still some around), paid cash for 15 minutes of access and registered a whole load of other accounts to send abuse from?

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As previously explained, it is not my opinion, it is fact. I ought to know as I studied this as part of my degree and am involved in diversity issues as part of my job to this day. You would know this if you had done your research (this never seems to be a problem on here when various people wish to undermine what others have said).

Interestingly, Lenny Henry is still calling for 'positive discrimination' to get more blacks onto television. I think that there's enough and that it's a fair representation of the population as a whole.

Disabled people make up 16% of the population, yet get only 2.5% of TV acting and presenting jobs.

Fourteen of the last twenty seven Best Actor Oscar winners played someone with a disability, yet none of them were actually disabled.

Breaking Bad was the exception rather than the rule, in that an actor with Cerebral Palsy actually played the part of someone with Cerebral Palsy.

Getting back to the crux of my point, i'm curious to know why racism is taken more seriously by society than other forms of discrimination.

For example, it was made an offence to 'incite racial hatred'. No such provision was made with regards to gay people, those suffering from a disability, women etc.

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Again you're asking us to just believe you. I can find nothing online that backs up what you say. Could you cite some of the sources used in your dissertation? Anything from your job you could link us to?

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Just found out that there's an interesting situation at the moment between the police and lawyers. The police monitor forums, social networking sites, chat rooms, blogs etc.

Sometimes they do this covertly by using a non police registered ip address- lawyers are questioning the use of legislation regarding covert operations and this practice.

Also, lawyers are arguing that views expressed that are not intended for public consumption (even if they are accessible to the public) should not be treated as such.

A blog is defined as being intended for public consumption, whereas they argue that a facebook comment isn't (even if the persons privacy settings do allow the public to access to the material).

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Recently I used to work for a government department and our internet presence was randomly monitored. If we put the name of our organisation on our Facebook profiles anything we said on our FB wall, status etc was considered 'fair game' for an inquiry if it was deemed controversial etc whereas if we identified ourselves on a public forum there was less potential for further action to be taken. The rational behind this was on a forum we are just one out of hundreds, possibly thousands whereas on Facebook the page was considered to be US, OURS etc, the comparison was a like a forum being us standing in an open crowd giving our views but FB was inviting someone in to our homes and then saying our bit.

This is why I never disclosed online who I worked for, far too much potential for unwarranted hassle.

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I think Russ and Hugh are saying that unless you provide a link to back up what you are saying, we still don't know for sure if you are right. Saying you studied it as part of your degree and are involved in diversity issues is not really proof. You may have, you may not. I could argue that I am a multi billionaire venture capitalist, thus have in depth knowledge of the world money markets, and you would have no real way (unless you knew me) of knowing whether I'm telling the truth.

Before you say that people wouldn't come on a forum claiming to know something they don't, or claiming to do some job they don't, I've actually seen people do both, on this forum. On one occasion, in the same post.

I'm not saying you don't do what you say for a living, I have no way of knowing, beyond what you say.

BTW, I'm not a multi billionaire venture capitalist. I wish I was a multi billionaire, but have no interest in being a venture capitalist.

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http://www.legislation.gov.uk

All the information that anyone requires should be available here.

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Interesting. I always advise people not to mention where they work either; unless it's something positive.

I have had to deal with inappropriate facebook postings from both current and former employees. It's staggering how many are genuinely shocked that they can't post anything that floats into their mind because "it's their facebook wall"!!

They seem to think that the laws relating to libel etc disappeared the day the internet was invented. Also, they fail to realise that some comments, whilst not against the law, are still inappropriate and can lead to disciplinary action.

Many employers now insist that employees declare all social networking sites that they are a member of and the relevant passwords to them. It is against facebook t&c's to disclose your password to a third party; but most people prefer to do this as opposed to losing a job or not getting the job in the first place.

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Is it not the case that the Representation of the people Act of 1918 predates any anti racist legislation as we now know it?

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

The Race Relations Act 1965 was the first legislation in the United Kingdom to address racial discrimination.

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

That is not the point, nor is it in dispute. You stated "Anti racist legislation was the first anti discrimination law to be introduced.". It wasn't.

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Could you cite some of the sources from your dissertation?

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New definition of 'helpful' I hadn't come across before...

You may as well have posted 'it's on the internet'.... :rolleyes:

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Ok, add "in relatively modern times" to my previous statement.

All the relevant legislation under discussion is on that site for you to peruse at your leisure. This is a luxury compared to when I was at University- their was no internet!

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

early 20th century is relatively modern times.

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Why in the name of Cthulhu should I have to research to prove your point.

Did you try that approach with your Lecturers? "I haven't bothered referencing (Harvard or otherwise) - I expect you to find the authors, books, and page numbers; they're all in the under-grad library....". :rolleyes:

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

You so didn't just use Cthulhu's name in vain.... :erm:

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I made it clear in post 35 that I would not be doing any research for the benefit of others. If this results in people not believing what I have stated; so be it.

I don't know why you've developed a sudden aversion to searching for the information that's required. The norm is for you to constantly do this to others in order to disprove what they say or undermine them at what seems like every available opportunity.

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Lol, I had to Google that :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

94% of people who say that sort of thing on discussion forums are aware there is no research available.

Job done.

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Yes there is, if you really wish to avail yourself of this information take a look on the Government legislation website- it's all there.

If you take my earlier example of 'incitement to racial hatred'; do let me know if you find anything similar with regards to similar behaviour towards other minority groups.

If you aren't bothered, like you say, job done.

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Thanks. Could you cite some of the sources from your dissertation?

Do you think it may be due to more attacks being based on someone's race than their disability?

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Very dubious use of official statistics there. Is the 16% really relating to the whole population or just working age adults?

Cheers

Grim

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

No, it was years ago and I don't have the books anymore. As I explained earlier, there was no internet when I took my degree.

I don't know as i've not compared attacks based on race as opposed to disability, but I don't see the relevance. If it is wrong to incite racial hatred, it is wrong to incite hatred towards other minority groups regardless.

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An interesting question. The statistics came from Channel 5; so they would be the best people to contact for an answer.

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I know the answer, but had hoped you'd actually check something for yourself for once. My question came about because I'm aware of the governments statistics which do not quite agree with your assertion. So may I suggest you search the gov.uk website for facts before you spout rubbish.

Credibility is like virginity - you can only loose both once.

Cheers

Grim

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Yet another rude and unhelpful post from you- this does nothing to help your own credibility.

I had hoped that you were entering into a fruitful adult discussion; but it's the usual point scoring belittling attitude that you are so renowned for.

Back to the subject in hand. It looks like review sites are now being scrutinised:

http://www.moneywise.co.uk/news/2015...ntentPromotion

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

It's because there are 83% more racially-based attacks than on other minority groups.

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If showing that your 'facts' are wrong is rude and unhelpful well I'm guilty as charged.

I was attempting to discuss with you, but when you won't let us see the source of your assertions any debate falls flat on it's face.

I feel quite flattered to be renowned - first I'd heard of it.

I thought my analogy was quite humorous, but hey ho.

So are you going to give us some sources for your 'facts' so we can have that fruitful adult discussion you want?

Cheers

Grim

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

First you've heard of it, everyone knows its grim up north :)

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It's grim oop north, but it's crap dahn sarf..... :D

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Trying to ban racists from social media is like stopping people using mobile phones while driving.

7+ years on and I still see people using them.

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You weren't trying to discuss the topic at all. Your total contribution (as is usual more often than not with you) has been to purposefully craft posts intended to be antagonistic and rude.

I suspect that your circumstances are at the root of attempting to sabotage proper discussion in threads concerning immigration and racism.

Irrelevant, even if actually true. And no, i'm not going to indulge your childish attempts in being drawn into asking where you obtained your data from to enable you to play tit for tat.

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Well we are a bit soft down South compared to you Northern toughies.;)

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Except I was asking you about your claim that 16% of the population was disabled. Nothing to do with immigration or racism, or have I missed something.

Cheers

Grim

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

Let's say the figure I quote was correct. Why would it be irrelevant as a response to why anti-racial laws get utilised more?

Re: Ban racists from social media, anti-Semitism report says.
 

I believe that the % of attacks on people in various minority groups is irrelevant in relation to the right of said individuals to be protected under the law.