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Ramrod 09-02-2015 00:34

Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
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The protest was organised by the Muslim Action Forum, which said that the Charlie Hebdo cartoons had helped “sow the seeds of hatred”
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I'd say that flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Bali bombings, Madrid, 7/7 etc....helped "sow the seeds of hatred"
But if you are that far up your own a*se then I suppose you would think that it was some cartoons that are the problem :shrug:

TheDaddy 09-02-2015 05:06

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
As I said in the other thread I find it quite concerning that the reason they have chosen to march isn't because those people were murdered but because the cartoons were published, just saying they condemn the murders isn't enough and shows they have their priorities all wrong imo

Pierre 09-02-2015 07:13

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35758048)
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I'd say that flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Bali bombings, Madrid, 7/7 etc....helped "sow the seeds of hatred"
But if you are that far up your own a*se then I suppose you would think that it was some cartoons that are the problem :shrug:

No, didn't you know, it was crusades. We're still atoning for that apparently.

Sirius 09-02-2015 07:20

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35758048)
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I'd say that flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Bali bombings, Madrid, 7/7 etc....helped "sow the seeds of hatred"
But if you are that far up your own a*se then I suppose you would think that it was some cartoons that are the problem :shrug:

I would like to sow some seeds on them ;)

Gary L 09-02-2015 09:33

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35758064)
I would like to sow some seeds on them ;)

That sounds rude :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/02/26.jpg

Stand up against the opposers.

Ignitionnet 09-02-2015 10:55

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
I thought the segregation of the genders at the protest was a nice touch.

techguyone 09-02-2015 12:26

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
These... people would get a lot more credibility if they protested in such numbers and so passionately against things like... burning alive of pilots, beheadings, tossing people off tall buildings, stonings, crucifixions etc by their own kind. Yet here they, all nicely segregated, bitching about a freaking cartoon...

Gary L 09-02-2015 12:50

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
From a cynical point of view they're only protesting against this and not many other things they could be protesting about.

because they want to keep the right not to be criticised.
and the right to be offended for silly little things.
for now and the future for when they rule the world.

they want to take away the obstruction.

Russ 09-02-2015 12:56

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
Maybe I'm missing the point here - other than the fact people are (rightly) saying the protesters seem to be more interested in speaking out against being offended rather than the pain and death caused by their brethren, what's the problem?

Muslims don't like their prophet being mocked - ok they ought to grow thicker skin but instead of bombing and shooting people, this lot organised an apparently peaceful demonstration. Isn't that all we ask of anyone who wants to protest against something? Yes there are a thousand more important things in the world they could be moaning about but they're not breaking any laws, they're not burning poppies etc, they're just sticking to UK law and following democracy.

Gary L 09-02-2015 13:01

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A lot of people protest for all sorts of reasons, Russ.

as long as they're not bombing and shooting people. then we don't criticise them either.

nomadking 09-02-2015 15:44

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
Their implication is that, "do as we say or you'll be next". If it wasn't why don't publications print things that Muslims don't like(although that covers an awful lot). The media have no problem producing things about other religions.

richard s 09-02-2015 16:33

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
Why did they not go to France and protest as it is a French matter and is nothing to do with the British. (Fear I suppose or chicken)....

Keep off or monuments you disrespectful SOBs as it was not for our great grandfathers, grandfathers and fathers that fought so that you could have your freedom to come here to live.

papa smurf 09-02-2015 17:59

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are they on there way to a fancy dress party .

Mr Angry 09-02-2015 19:21

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35758125)
Why did they not go to France and protest as it is a French matter and is nothing to do with the British. (Fear I suppose or chicken)....

Keep off or monuments you disrespectful SOBs as it was not for our great grandfathers, grandfathers and fathers that fought so that you could have your freedom to come here to live.

Some facts.

"Two former heads of the Army have called for greater recognition of the first Muslim soldier to be awarded the Victoria Cross, in a move intended as a “riposte” to the “sickening extremism” of Isil militants

General Lord Dannatt and General Lord Richards lead a group of peers, MPs, historians and religious leaders who say children should be told about the role played by Muslim troops in the First World War.

In a letter to The Telegraph they say that the actions of Sepoy Khudadad Khan in a battle at Ypres 100 years ago on Friday “exemplified the courage” of many who served in the war.

The knowledge of his role, together with that of the other 400,000 Muslims who fought alongside British troops, is vital to “fully understand the multi-ethnic Britain that we are today”, they add."

Hom3r 09-02-2015 19:23

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35758087)
Maybe I'm missing the point here - other than the fact people are (rightly) saying the protesters seem to be more interested in speaking out against being offended rather than the pain and death caused by their brethren, what's the problem?

Muslims don't like their prophet being mocked - ok they ought to grow thicker skin but instead of bombing and shooting people, this lot organised an apparently peaceful demonstration. Isn't that all we ask of anyone who wants to protest against something? Yes there are a thousand more important things in the world they could be moaning about but they're not breaking any laws, they're not burning poppies etc, they're just sticking to UK law and following democracy.

Last year on Radio 4 they spoke to a Muslim, he said that a true Muslim doesn't like any prophet being mock, he also mentioned Jesus Crist shouldn't be mocked.

nomadking 09-02-2015 19:35

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A police force has apologised for collecting the details of subscribers to the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in the wake of the Paris massacre.
Wiltshire Police confirmed one of its officers visited a newsagent after the Paris attacks, requesting names of the four people who bought the magazine.
In a statement, the force claimed the officer's motivation had been "purely around enhancing public safety".
Of course it was.:rolleyes:

Pierre 09-02-2015 21:43

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35758167)
Some facts.

"Two former heads of the Army have called for greater recognition of the first Muslim soldier to be awarded the Victoria Cross, in a move intended as a “riposte” to the “sickening extremism” of Isil militants

General Lord Dannatt and General Lord Richards lead a group of peers, MPs, historians and religious leaders who say children should be told about the role played by Muslim troops in the First World War.

In a letter to The Telegraph they say that the actions of Sepoy Khudadad Khan in a battle at Ypres 100 years ago on Friday “exemplified the courage” of many who served in the war.

The knowledge of his role, together with that of the other 400,000 Muslims who fought alongside British troops, is vital to “fully understand the multi-ethnic Britain that we are today”, they add."

about as relevant as bringing the crusades into the discussion.

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some more FACTS!

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/0...ull-report.pdf

Just whip it out the next time anyone says that Islam is a peaceful religion blah -da -blah da- blah

Lots of lovely insight available

Damien 09-02-2015 22:00

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35758207)
some more FACTS!

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/0...ull-report.pdf

Just whip it out the next time anyone says that Islam is a peaceful religion blah -da -blah da- blah

Lots of lovely insight available

Which part?

On Page 29 you have this:

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Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.
then on page 32:

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Most Muslims around the world express support for democracy, and most say it is a good thing when others are very free to practice their religion. At the same time, many Muslims want religious leaders to have at least some influence in political matters.
The poll results are pretty positive accompanying that as well. When asked if Religious freedom the median percentage of Muslims answered that it was either to 85% at the lowest to 97% at it's highest.

Even the women's right to get a divorce only drops below 50% in Africa. In Europe it's in the 80% range.

Probably the most concerning is the amount of people in South Asia who support executing those who leave Islam. However that number drops considerably when you enter Western culture. There are Christians in Africa who support execution for homosexuals so I would suggest that you need to factor in general culture rather than just religion.

martyh 09-02-2015 22:10

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35758207)
about as relevant as bringing the crusades into the discussion.


gotta love the way every fact that goes against your own personal stance is classed as "irrelevant"

Pierre 09-02-2015 22:11

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There's lots of stuff in there. Don't get me wrong it's not all crazy. but there is some worrying things in there:

this for example

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/02/23.jpg

Damien 09-02-2015 22:14

Re: Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35758225)
There's lots of stuff in there. Don't get me wrong it's not all crazy. but there is some worrying things in there:

this for example

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/02/23.jpg

Yes but that is one finding in a report that is primarily showing that Muslims reject violence. Even that number drops quickly in Western nations. I agree it's a pretty bad finding but I don't think that report dismisses the idea Islam isn't a peaceful religion. If anything the numbers suggest a large amount of Muslims reject violence.

BTW Is there a online version of that report? I also wanted to link a graph but it was a PDF?

Pierre 09-02-2015 22:21

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Other headlines.

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1. Over three quarters of respondents in the Middle East and North Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia want legal issues to be resolved in Sharia courts. Muslims are split evenly over the extreme stuff associated with Sharia (cutting off hands, death to the apostate), which gets its biggest support in South Asia.

2. Suicide bombing is mostly rejected – it remains popular among sizable minorities in Palestine (40 per cent), Afghanistan (39 per cent), Egypt (29 per cent) and Bangladesh (26 per cent).

3. Muslims do not think other people should be compelled to follow Islam. The lowest level of support for religious freedom was found in Egypt (77 per cent) and the highest in Bangladesh (97 per cent).

4. Sexual attitudes remain very conservative – . Majorities in every country said that wives should obey their husbands.

5. Support for democracy is high in South Asia but low in the Middle East and lowest in Pakistan


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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35758228)
Yes but that is one finding in a report that is primarily showing that Muslims reject violence. Even that number drops quickly in Western nations. I agree it's a pretty bad finding but I don't think that report dismisses the idea Islam isn't a peaceful religion. If anything the numbers suggest a large amount of Muslims reject violence.

BTW Is there a online version of that report? I also wanted to link a graph but it was a PDF?

The report came out over 18months ago, there loads of analysis on it. Just google it and there's graphs and comments a plenty.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35758223)
gotta love the way every fact that goes against your own personal stance is classed as "irrelevant"

Yeah, funnily enough, I find you irrelevant too.

Ignitionnet 09-02-2015 23:55

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Talking of Charlie Hebdo this is impressive.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10034327.html

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A police force was forced to apologise today after one of its officers told a newsagent to hand over the names of four people in the name of community cohesion, after they bought a commemorative edition of the Charlie Hebdo magazine.

Wiltshire police confirmed that it had deleted the names of the buyers from its system, which were collected after officers toured shops warning newsagents to be vigilant during an “assessment of community tensions” in the sleepy market town following the attacks in the French capital in January.


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