Burning is the new beheading.
 

Apparently.

"Islamic State militants claim to have killed a Jordanian pilot they were keeping hostage by burning him alive

First Lieutenant Muadh al-Kasasbeh, who flew an F-16 fighter jet in operations against Isis fighters and whose plane came down near Raqqa, northern Syria just before Christmas, appears to have been murdered.

Images from a video show him being set alight while locked in a cage."


Cardy.

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What a horrible, cruel way to kill someone. :(

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Utterly barbaric. :mad: What next: Death by a thousand cuts? And they claim to be followers of Islam.

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Well take the bitch they wanted in exchange and shoot her.

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Apparently there has been a flurry of check ins at the Sawaqa desert prison in the last few hours.

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Surely such levels of barbarism is going to back fire? It must alienate all but the most psychotic of people.

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Jordan has vowed revenge.

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Psychotics....

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I say follow the teachings of the good book ;).

It says an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, so in this case as the religious nutters burnt that pilot then Jordan should burn her.

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Sick.

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They are hanging her tomorrow from reports

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Indeed, but the world seems to be heading that way. I don't honestly think she should be burnt. But she should have the sentence handed down to her carried out in accordance with Jordanian law.

http://news.sky.com/story/1420656/jo...ve-in-is-video

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Sadly there's nothing IS can do to its victims that hasn't been done before and isn't going on elsewhere in the world in some form or other. It makes news here/how because it's IS but people are burned alive in Africa and mutilated/dismembered in Mexico yet we hardly hear about it. Any shock value IS seeks to obtain by whatever grotesque means it employs to kill people will be short lived, what mustn't be short lived or less that total is our determination to root out and punish those responsible for these acts and the people who support them.

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I think this is only going to isolate ISIS further. There were reports they had sympathisers in Jordan but that's going to be gone now. Also as a PR stunt how many disaffected Muslims are going to see this, committed against a fellow Muslim by the way, and get taken in?

These are sick, evil, people. There are almost cartoonish in their villainy and you have to stop and remind yourself that this is real life.

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To be honest i think they are trying there damnedest to get foreign military boots on the ground and they will try anything to reach that goal. By foreign i mean Western boots on the ground.

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Careful now.

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They seem intent on provoking western reaction, always have done imo. Wonder what truthspeaker has to say about this.

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Omg dont drag him into here he spouted enough bull excreta in the last thread he derailed. ;)

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have our own peaceful Muslims started to publicly condemn this barbaric act yet or are they still organising a mass protest .

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But which side will they protest about, will it be the side that follows the rules of war and try’s not to kill indiscriminately or the side that makes up its own rules based on a religious story book. ?

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I think most people are aware of the stated opinion of "our own peaceful muslims" in opposition of ISIS, IS, IL.

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I still think most Muslims in the UK are horrified by this sort of thing but are they supposed to protest en masse every time something like this happens in order to prove it? I do think it's vital that the Muslim community is seen to abhor such extremes and if part of that opposition extends to marches, so be it, but it really isn't reasonable to expect high profile marches in the streets each time something like this happens in the name of their faith.

I did a very quick search before posting this and found a large number of press releases and articles just like those linked to below in which murders in the name of Islam were roundly condemned by Mosque, community leaders, Imams etc. I really don't think it's reasonable to expect much more, after all as much as many of us opposed the wars in Iraq etc., how many of us have ever bothered getting out on the streets protesting about it and how often? Is it right to assume that unless ordinary Muslims constantly and publicly voice their opposition to such acts, they somehow support or condone them?

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-...st-is-killing/

http://www.mcb.org.uk/paris-murders-jan-08-15/

http://www.greenlanemasjid.org/Resou...ses/Index.aspx

http://www.centralmosque.org.uk/3/86...tacks-in-paris

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/new...osques/?ref=mr

If the mainstream media chooses, understandably, not to report every such condemnation then is it surprising that maybe we don't hear about them as much as we feel we should?

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From what I have been reading IS is trying to unstabalise Jordan so that the splinter cells break out, then IS will be able to get to Israel.

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Think that would be a major mistake on their part, although it could bring a swift end to their plans.

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Are you thinking that an attack on Israel may end in bright lights and mushroom clouds, Mr Banana?

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Another way of burning people to death.

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One that would be disastrous to all of us. Fortunately the odds of Israel doing that to anything beyond an existential threat are very slim, and ISIL are not an existential threat to Israel right now and hopefully never will be.

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I cant read the news anymore as it is so sad to read such awful news.

Burning, stoning, beheading, etc...What next?

These people are living in the stone age and I find it digusting that anyone could do such things to another human being.

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Burning, stoning, beheading all at the same time. :mad:

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I have to say I agree with the sentiment about the news. More often than not it's simply depressing.

On the matter of ISIS, IS, IL "living in the stone age", and whilst in no way seeking to excuse or condone their recent executions, I think it's important to note that it wasn't that long ago civilized Western democracies were behaving in a very similar fashion (spectacular lynching being a case in point). Very recently the new king of Saudi Arabia presided over beheadings and the hanging of gay men from cranes - all in public view.

The reality is that we, as a species, are capable of doing incredibly horrific harm and injustices to our fellow man. Clearly, however, when someone else practices and presents for mass public comsumption something which "we" practice or practiced they are labelled "barbarians", "savages", "animals" and all kinds of "monsters" by our supposedly morally superior benchmark.

It would be funny, were it not so tragic.

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Why?

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To create a thin veneer of moral equivalence, perhaps?

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Doesn't help when the " leader of the free world" talks this bollocks

http://thedailyrepublican.com/index....0538&Itemid=26

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Leader of the free world my arse

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Living there, what he states is the truth. Plus any article which states Fox News as a source is a joke. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/f...-percent-time/

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Doesn't matter where you live, if he has trawl back through history to the crusades and the inquisition???

That's the kind of tripe that gets posted on here, not rhetoric for a world leader.

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History?

He was talking about the second half of the 20th Century as well, re the KKK and the Jim Crow laws in the USA.

Not to forget Anders Breivik in Norway recently, who claimed membership of an 'international Christian military order' and called himself a Christian Crusader, or the bombings of Planned Parenthood clinics in America and Australia, or the Army of God in the USA who state "whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child......actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life".

And let's not forget the widely-reported* near beheading of someone in the USA last year, which was apparently because the victim was supposed to be practicing witchcraft, which was against the murderer's Christian beliefs....

btw, here is the source (not Faux News) for the discussion - The National Prayer Breakfast, and here is the part that the "Fair and Balanced" News Channel didn't report....

* https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/02/27.jpg

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Yeah right, because the KKK and the Global threat currently present by extremist Islam are very comparable aren't they.

Ah yes, and since the work of this crazed "individual" that shot a load of students and didn't specifically target Muslims, I see there's been a load of other attacks from the " international Christian military order" hasn't there? Yes I believe they recently broke into an Iranian newspaper and killed a load of cartoonists that had depicted Christ as a on of the Bash Street Kids...............sarcasm


That's right, in fact I've cancelled travelling to America now in case I'm kidnapped by planned parenthood and beheaded by them

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seems their busy bemoaning cartoons but i'm sure they will get round to it

Thousands of British Muslims protest

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Mohammed.html

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Do tell do they shout ally snackbar as well :D

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Well, if you want to compare likelyhoods, you're more likely to be killed by a Christian with a gun in the USA than you are by a Muslim Terrorist in the UK (sorry to bring facts into the conversation, but there have been over 200,000 gun-related deaths in the USA since 2007, and 53 'Muslim Terrorist' deaths in the UK in the same time period....) Ah, yes, so the Charlie Hebdo killers only killed Christians....... sarcasmAs stated above, you're much more likely to be killed by a Christian, or in this country just crossing the road...

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Just remind me what your point is again?

Are American Christians out on a global crusade to kill Muslims?

No.

You can bring in as many facts as you want, but they mean sod all when you're talking bollocks.

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My point is that you, as a UK citizen, are more likely to be killed by a car in the UK, or a Christian with a gun in the USA, than by a "muslim terrorist" in the UK. That's the problem with facts - they mean you're talking about real things, not uninformed opinions....

Are all Muslims on a Global Crusade to kill Christians.

No.

Are some Muslims saying they are?

Yes - but that doesn't make it a fact that all Muslims are, no matter how many times anyone tries to conflate the two premises...

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But he wasn't talking about the immediate threats, he was talking about the 'perversion' of faiths.

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I can't argue with that logic.

We should tell the global coalition in Iraq and Syria to pull out immediately and come and sort our traffic, and head over to the mid- west of the states and sort them out too.

Congratulations you've brought this thread to whole new level of stupid I have rarely witnessed.

did I say they were?

I'm just worried about ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, Al shibab, and any other affiliates. All of the above have killed hundreds of thousands in the last 15 years. Funny that planned parenthood don't worry me.

Are they?

My post on here earlier was that In my opinion Obama had plummeted to student chat room level of debate on the matter of Islamic extremism, when harking back to the Crusades, the inquisition and yes the KKK , if he referenced them.

But he's an amateur compared to your good self.

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But why bother? It's irrelevant.

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Because he was at a religious event where traditionally they talk about faith in society. Obama chose to talk about fundamentalism and referenced Christian examples as well. The right-wing media in America were, as usual, outraged.

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Because it's PC BS. That's why.

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Or people are trying to find ways to be offended.

There is nothing factually wrong in what he said and it's legitimate within the context of the topic he had chosen to talk about. The part of the speech itself was dealing with the fact that this is nothing new and it's then that he also added in examples of his own religion, Christianity, to the discussion.

The speech is rather long. The entire context is here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ayer-breakfast. It's about two to three lines that people have isolated out from the context and got angry about.

It's a nothing story.

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But it's irrelevant.


But it's just so sixth form. He was badly advised

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I'd like to thank you for your rational, reasoned, and informed discussion....

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:tu:

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I actually found this pretty poor, they said the condemn the murders but not enough to protest about it, just the cartoons, not only are their priorities wrong so is their sense of public reaction, there was a real opportunity to build some bridges here.

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Not just irrelevant and badly advised but factually incorrect to...

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Seems the thread title is accurate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31502863

There animals pure and simple.

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Hmm isn't Al Baghdadi the leader of IS, strange coincidence and with a bit of luck he'll be dead soon anyway

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Errr....Al Baghdadi is a town.

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Yes that's why its a strange coincidence