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Hugh	31-01-2015 15:59

Are all terrorists Muslim?

Not even close....

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So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.

As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs....

....And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).

In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.

papa smurf

31-01-2015 16:05

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i wouldn't turn my back on one

Osem	31-01-2015 16:08

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Does anyone seriously think they are? If and when this current nonsense dies down, the plethora of other terrorist organisations will occupy our airtime once again. As usual, the media largely determines what view of events we are presented with and it seems they view Islamic terror is the news story which just keeps on giving.

nomadking

31-01-2015 16:38

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Part of the problem is that many terrorist attacks don't get classed as such.

Hugh	31-01-2015 16:45

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Any evidence to back up that assertion?

Damien

31-01-2015 17:37

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When it says ethno-nationalist does that include chechnya?

nomadking

31-01-2015 17:54

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35756356)

Any evidence to back up that assertion?

Of course
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The Islamists who committed the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris should be not be described as “terrorists” by the BBC, a senior executive at the corporation has said.

Tarik Kafala, the head of BBC Arabic, the largest of the BBC’s non-English language news services, said the term “terrorist” was too “loaded” to describe the actions of the men who killed 12 people in the attack on the French satirical magazine.
Mr Kafala, whose BBC Arabic television, radio and online news services reach a weekly audience of 36 million people, told The Independent: “We try to avoid describing anyone as a terrorist or an act as being terrorist. What we try to do is to say that ‘two men killed 12 people in an attack on the office of a satirical magazine’. That’s enough, we know what that means and what it is.”

Maggy

31-01-2015 18:13

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The BBC can use as much semantics as they like but they are not the final arbiters on who are terrorists.That's down to the security forces who will designate the facts in their reports which will be the official version.

Hugh	31-01-2015 18:49

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35756354)

Part of the problem is that many terrorist attacks don't get classed as such.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35756356)

Any evidence to back up that assertion?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35756366)

Of course
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ROFLcopter......

Are you seriously trying to put forward the proposition that the Charlie Hebdo atrocity was not classed as, and widely reported as, a terrorist attack?

btw....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31047020

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Charlie Hebdo: Bulgaria extradites terror suspect

A Frenchman said to be connected to the gunmen behind a deadly terrorist attack in Paris has been extradited from Bulgaria to France.

Fritz-Joly Joachin was detained while trying to cross into Turkey, a French judicial official said.

Mr Joachin has admitted to being an associate of the attackers of Charlie Hebdo magazine but denies being aware of their plans.

Seventeen people were killed in a series of attacks in Paris in January.

Mr Joachin is accused of participating in a terrorist group and of having links to a network of people sending fighters to Syria.

denphone

31-01-2015 18:51

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The answer to the Hugh's question is a pure and simple no despite some posters protestation's that nearly every Muslim is a walking time bomb which is of course utter nonsense.

dilli-theclaw

31-01-2015 19:24

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35756378)

The answer to the Hugh's question is a pure and simple no despite some posters protestation's that nearly every Muslim is a walking time bomb which is of course utter nonsense.

I always find it surprising how many people think this, but then look at how populous the daily fail and Britain first are! It's usually people that read this stuff that think it.

But to be fair some people will believe anything.

Pierre

31-01-2015 20:07

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35756378)

The answer to the Hugh's question is a pure and simple no despite some posters protestation's that nearly every Muslim is a walking time bomb which is of course utter nonsense.

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So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.

As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.

Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.

There's a lot of words there, that tell you sod all.

If the list goes on and on.

Provide the list, describing exactly what each incident was.

Be interesting to see how many were killed.

Would also be interesting to include all of the planned attacks that were foiled.

Put it this way, I don't expect an attack in the UK by the IRA, or the FLNC, FAI, golden Dawn or whoever.

But I would expect an attack from an Islamic Extremist.

The more we refuse to face up to this issue, the more we invite an attack.

Julian

31-01-2015 20:41

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Reads to me as an anti-American rant by some muslim guy.

Shame as he may have had a point to make.....

martyh

31-01-2015 20:49

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35756403)

Reads to me as an anti-American rant by some muslim guy.

Shame as he may have had a point to make.....

Dean Obeidallah is an Arab American commedian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Obeidallah

nomadking

31-01-2015 20:55

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I suppose this wasn't a terrorist attack.

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Funerals have taken place in southern Pakistan for the victims of a suicide attack on a Shia mosque during Friday prayers which police say killed at least 60 people.

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Dozens were also wounded in the attack in Sindh province's Shikarpur district, making it one of the worst sectarian attacks in Pakistan in recent years.

martyh

31-01-2015 20:59

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35756395)

Don't think anyone has ever said that?

That article in the OP is sloppy (and that's being very kind).

Terrorism from Islamic extremism is the biggest threat facing this country and most of the globe. To think otherwise is just sticking your head in a very big hole.

Be it organised, lone wolves, or inspired by.

There's a lot of words there, that tell you sod all.

If the list goes on and on.

Provide the list, describing exactly what each incident was.

Be interesting to see how many were killed.

Would also be interesting to include all of the planned attacks that were foiled.

Put it this way, I don't expect an attack in the UK by the IRA, or the FLNC, FAI, golden Dawn or whoever.

But I would expect an attack from an Islamic Extremist.

The more we refuse to face up to this issue, the more we invite an attack.

There are links in the text that lead to FBI sites and europol sites that give the information you want

Pierre

31-01-2015 21:31

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the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs

I will read the whole report, but just skimming through the first few pages it shows how selective the writer of the article has been for example. From the report.

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a continuous increase in the number of arrests for religiously inspired terrorism has been observed since 2011, whereas arrests for separatist terrorism have significantly decreased ~ section 1.1

So you can see what the trend is.

I'm sure if I read the report thoroughly, there would be enough evidence in it to rip his
article to shreds.

Chris

31-01-2015 21:38

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Add to that the fact that Islamist terrorism, in particular, is disproportionately hard to deal with as the perpetrators have such casual disregard for their own lives. Suicide operations are therefore much easier to carry out than, say, the Brighton bombing, in which the IRA bomber had to work out not only how to get in to the Grand Hotel, but also how to conceal a device with a reliable timer, and then get clean away from the scene.

Pierre

31-01-2015 21:43

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Also the murder of Lee Rigby was not reported as a "religiously inspired terrorism" !!

So can you really trust the numbers in the report.

alanbjames

31-01-2015 21:44

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Christmas time i read one of the most racist arcticles i have ever read. Although the arcticle didnt come out and say it, it was implying that the person did it purposly.

Basically a muslim guy was involved in an accident that killed 2 children, it didnt say whether he had been drinking etc but the report stated the word muslim 11 times.

The report even started with the word muslim, now if it was reporting on someone who was Chinese or African this report would have never been alloud in my opinion.

I feel for the muslim people because the media is using propiganda to insinuate muslims are terrorists. I sometimes get picked up by a guy who is a muslim when i get a taxi and he told me a few weeks ago that he is ashamed to say he is muslim because of what is happening in the world.

Hugh	01-02-2015 10:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35756427)

Also the murder of Lee Rigby was not reported as a "religiously inspired terrorism" !!

So can you really trust the numbers in the report.

It was reported as an act of terrorism......

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...le-life-ruling

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The two terrorists who murdered British soldier Lee Rigby on a south London street fought with guards yesterday in the dock of the court yards from the grieving family of the soldier they butchered as a judge sentenced the mastermind of the attack to die in prison.

Gary L

01-02-2015 13:26

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35756378)

The answer to the Hugh's question is a pure and simple no despite some posters protestation's that nearly every Muslim is a walking time bomb which is of course utter nonsense.

Nobody believes that.

but the problem really is people saying that everyone thinks that. when they actually don't think that.

a bit like if someone doesn't like a particular black person. there's always somebody that will say he's a racist and he doesn't like all of them.

Hugh	01-02-2015 13:47

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35756522)

I'm sure this link was in the previously closed thread.

but it depends on what's classed as 'terrorism' really.
you and I could be suspected of being terrorists simply for taking photos. so yeh. depends on what we're classing as a 'terrorist'

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Nobody believes that.

but the problem really is people saying that everyone thinks that. when they actually don't think that.

a bit like if someone doesn't like a particular black person. there's always somebody that will say he's a racist and he doesn't like all of them.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756344)

i wouldn't turn my back on one

Gary L

01-02-2015 13:51

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I wouldn't turn my back on one either.

whether that's out of repect. or I think they're all terrorists. that's for you to decide.

denphone

01-02-2015 14:05

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There are good and bad apples in every race and has been since the dawn of time Gary and the Muslims are no different to any other race in that respect.

heero_yuy

01-02-2015 14:12

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The real problem is as Chris pointed out several posts ago: Most terrorists actually value their own lives and will try to stay alive. That is their potential weakness. The believers in extreme Islam actually WANT to die. That makes them seriously dangerous and warrant special measures.

The Japanese troops stranded on the pacific islands during the second world war were similarly difficult to overcome as they were also prepared to die in defence of their divine emperor.

papa smurf

01-02-2015 15:10

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Islam has by its actions achieved a bad reputation if there are good Muslims out there then they should start condemning the acts of Islamic terrorists ,but as far as i can see most Muslims say nothing and that's why i don't trust them .

Gary L

01-02-2015 15:26

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756555)

Good point. if there's no truth in it. then why not speak up against it?

Why does the majority let the minority tell us the true meaning of Islam?

martyh

01-02-2015 16:13

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756555)

Islam has by its actions achieved a bad reputation.

can't remember the last time i saw Islam running round with guns and knives.:rolleyes:

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if there are good Muslims out there then they should start condemning the acts of Islamic terrorists ,but as far as i can see most Muslims say nothing

The "good Muslims" do ,quite frequently but people with your attitude tend to ignore what they say anyway

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and that's why i don't trust them

You don't trust them because the Muslim terrorists that are there are a convenient justification for you to show your bigotry

papa smurf

01-02-2015 16:33

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756574)

can't remember the last time i saw Islam running round with guns and knives.:rolleyes:

The "good Muslims" do ,quite frequently but people with your attitude tend to ignore what they say anyway

You don't trust them because the Muslim terrorists that are there are a convenient justification for you to show your bigotry

ah your usual brand of sarcastic horse crap-- grow up

martyh

01-02-2015 16:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756578)

ah your usual brand of sarcastic horse crap-- grow up

not sarcastic at all ,you show your bigoted ignorance too many times and then have the bare faced cheek to accuse other people of being racist and bigoted

papa smurf

01-02-2015 16:44

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756579)

not sarcastic at all ,you show your bigoted ignorance too many times and then have the bare faced cheek to accuse other people of being racist and bigoted

your too childish to bother with go away and do some growing up

martyh

01-02-2015 16:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756581)

your too childish to bother with go away and do some growing up

You always say that when you've been called out on rubbish you spout ,it proves your twisted reasoning has no substance ,it really is quite pathetic

papa smurf

01-02-2015 17:00

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756584)

You always say that when you've been called out on rubbish you spout ,it proves your twisted reasoning has no substance ,it really is quite pathetic

there are people trying to discuss " Are all terrorists Muslim?" if you've quite finished having your tantrum is it ok if we continue ?

martyh

01-02-2015 17:14

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756585)

there are people trying to discuss " Are all terrorists Muslim?" if you've quite finished having your tantrum is it ok if we continue ?

and you've proven on many occasions that you think all Muslims are terrorists,now if you can't stand the truth of what you are then i suggest not posting anymore ignorant rubbish like this

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Islam has by its actions achieved a bad reputation

papa smurf

01-02-2015 19:12

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756587)

and you've proven on many occasions that you think all Muslims are terrorists,now if you can't stand the truth of what you are then i suggest not posting anymore ignorant rubbish like this

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Islam has by its actions achieved a bad reputation

wow your so right i should have said
beheading innocent people -loving it :rolleyes:
throwing gays from roof tops- loving it :rolleyes:
crucifying people -loving it :rolleyes:
kidnapping and raping young girls- loving it :rolleyes:
i feel so much better now i'm supporting them :rolleyes: go team islam

Pierre

01-02-2015 20:25

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35756507)

It was reported as an act of terrorism......

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...le-life-ruling

Not to that EU report it wasn't

martyh

01-02-2015 21:00

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756608)

and you really think Islam is doing all that ,i suppose in your tiny brain Catholicism is abusing young boys and Judaism is bombing Palestine .
Your problem appears to be that you are unable to distinguish between a religion and people serving that religion and imposing their own interpretation of that religion on others .It is people who behead,throw gays from buildings etc not religions and quite probably if religion did not exist those same people would find some other reason to throw gays off buildings and behead people

Gary L

01-02-2015 21:10

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756636)

and you really think Islam is doing all that ,i suppose in your tiny brain Catholicism is abusing young boys and Judaism is bombing Palestine .

But you can argue that none of them religions state that you have to abuse boys and bomb written down as 'rules' if you like.

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Your problem appears to be that you are unable to distinguish between a religion and people serving that religion and imposing their own interpretation of that religion on others .It is people who behead,throw gays from buildings etc not religions and quite probably if religion did not exist those same people would find some other reason to throw gays off buildings and behead people

To be fair Marty. it either is or it's not. we could use interpretation as a cover.
till the final goal is achieved even.

papa smurf

01-02-2015 21:21

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756636)

:rofl::rofl::rofl:what a load of waffle

Paul	01-02-2015 21:44

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Are all terrorists Muslim? No.

Are all Muslims terrorists ? No.

See, that was really easy .... Next. :)

Gary L

01-02-2015 21:55

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35756646)

Next. :)

How many terrorists are Muslim?

How many Muslims are terrorists?

;)

But yeh. it was a bit of a dumb question.
there's bound to be a few Irish, English and Japanese ones in there to cancel it out.

TheDaddy

01-02-2015 22:11

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35756540)

There are good and bad apples in every race and has been since the dawn of time Gary and the Muslims are no different to any other race in that respect.

Muslims aren't a race :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756555)

I find it a tiny bit concerning that it seems more muslims were concerned with moaning about Boris calling jihadist terrorists masturbaters who struggle to get girlfriends than seemingly moaned about recent atrocities, perhaps it's just the way the wicked western media reported it

richard s

02-02-2015 10:30

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35756378)

The answer to the Hugh's question is a pure and simple no despite some posters protestation's that nearly every Muslim is a walking time bomb which is of course utter nonsense.

With you on this one Denphone.

Gary L

02-02-2015 10:34

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35756733)

With you on this one Denphone.

And so is everybody else.
nobody believes that they're all walking around with a rucksack or whatever.

if they were. then it would be banging all over Britain 24/7.

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