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Russ 21-01-2015 05:01

UKIP - "We've been lying"
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ip-not-5012722

Hopefully people will now seem them for what they really are :)

denphone 21-01-2015 05:06

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l already know but sadly others will be brainwashed into voting for this rabble.

TheDaddy 21-01-2015 05:49

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35754061)
l already know but sadly others will be brainwashed into voting for this rabble.

Disillusioned into voting for them more like imo

Derek 21-01-2015 06:15

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A politician promising the earth to get votes whilst knowing they can't deliver?

Not exactly earth shattering breaking news is it?

Sirius 21-01-2015 06:28

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35754061)
l already know but sadly others will be brainwashed into voting for this rabble.

I will vote for them as i have no alternative, the others are just as bad as each other so i intend to waste my vote. I know ukip will not get in power but until we have a system that allows none of the above as a vote i will waste it on who ever i think cannot get in. I would have voted Tory but i cannot trust Cameron to do what he says and i will never trust liebour as they will just bankrupt us even more than last time.

Pierre 21-01-2015 06:39

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754059)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ip-not-5012722

Hopefully people will now seem them for what they really are :)

This is what the other political parties, no you it seems, just don't get.

People will vote for them regardless, this pre-election mud slinging will not harm UKIP, it will strengthen them.

deadite66 21-01-2015 07:11

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35754065)
I will vote for them as i have no alternative

Same here, we can't keep on voting LibLabCon, just wish the unions would abandon labour and create a new party for the working class but i assume the union leaders don't want to rock their own gravy train.

boroboi 21-01-2015 07:25

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Sounds like a spun out article that's been worded to make them sound bad.

papa smurf 21-01-2015 07:26

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still getting my vote despite russ's desperate attempts to discredit them with extracts from the daily chip wrapper .

Sirius 21-01-2015 07:47

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Originally Posted by boroboi (Post 35754070)
Sounds like a spun out article that's been worded to make them sound bad.

Its Labours mouth piece what do you expect.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35754071)
still getting my vote despite russ's desperate attempts to discredit them with extracts from the daily chip wrapper .

Indeed the more he spouts his anti UKIP rubbish the more determined i am to vote for them :LOL:

Russ 21-01-2015 07:53

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35754071)
still getting my vote despite russ's desperate attempts to discredit them with extracts from the daily chip wrapper .

I think they're doing a good enough job of that themselves.

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Originally Posted by Sirus
Indeed the more he spouts his anti UKIP rubbish the more determined i am to vote for them

You're voting for a party purely because you don't like someone? Sounds like the right to vote ought to be tied to a maturity and responsibility test.

Sirius 21-01-2015 08:53

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754079)
I think they're doing a good enough job of that themselves.



You're voting for a party purely because you don't like someone? Sounds like the right to vote ought to be tied to a maturity and responsibility test.

Dont start thinking your that high up the food chain :). To be honest i am voting for them because i cannot and will not vote for the tories who have a leader i have no trust in or labour who will just spend us back to the stone age.

As for my UKIP and your posts i just think its funny you are posting so much against UKIP so i wanted to make you feel special :LOL:

Pierre 21-01-2015 08:56

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754079)
You're voting for a party purely because you don't like someone? Sounds like the right to vote ought to be tied to a maturity and responsibility test.

Almost as bad as voting for a party purely because:

- You like someone.
- Your dad voted for them.
- All of your friends and family vote for them.
- The paper you read tells you to vote for them.
- Your union tells you to vote for them.

etc, etc, etc

Unfortunately very few stand back and take an informed view of things, before they strike their x

Sirius 21-01-2015 08:59

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35754092)
Almost as bad as voting for a party purely because:

- You like someone.
- Your dad voted for them.
- All of your friends and family vote for them.
- The paper you read tells you to vote for them.
- Your union tells you to vote for them.

etc, etc, etc

Unfortunately very few stand back and take an informed view of things, before they strike their x

:tu:

Gary L 21-01-2015 09:28

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754059)
Hopefully people will now seem them for what they really are :)

You'll have to try a lot harder than that, Russ.

Would you believe it. you get an error when you press the YES button!

Maggy 21-01-2015 09:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35754092)
Almost as bad as voting for a party purely because:

- You like someone.
- Your dad voted for them.
- All of your friends and family vote for them.
- The paper you read tells you to vote for them.
- Your union tells you to vote for them.

etc, etc, etc

Unfortunately very few stand back and take an informed view of things, before they strike their x


We should be able to vote for the one person we feel will work for the constituency.Sadly the majority just toe the party line,lie and promise anything and frequently don't actually live in the constituency they want to represent.Some even barely make it beyond a couple of hours attendance in the House of Commons.Just long enough to get paid.

Kind of makes it difficult to assess who is the best candidate..So most are stuck with the above suggestions..

Paul 21-01-2015 13:08

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Wait ... so a party leader admitted to not exactly telling the truth .. as opposed to all the rest who do exactly the same, but dont admit it ?

Damien 21-01-2015 13:20

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35754151)
Wait ... so a party leader admitted to not exactly telling the truth .. as opposed to all the rest who do exactly the same, but dont admit it ?

Well he admitted it in private. Anyway I don't think the shock is it he lied it's that he positions himself as the straight talking honest politician and he isn't.

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This is my favorite part:

Quote:

UKIP deputy chairman Neil Hamilton – the disgraced ex-Tory MP – warned colleagues: “This is the last time we can get away with this.

“We can say anything on the doorstep.

“But on television we will have some pretty searching questions to answer.”

Russ 21-01-2015 13:49

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35754151)
Wait ... so a party leader admitted to not exactly telling the truth .. as opposed to all the rest who do exactly the same, but dont admit it ?

Slight difference in that UKIP had previously fooled a lot of people with their claims of being clean, honest and "anti-political".

Ramrod 21-01-2015 14:06

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Originally Posted by boroboi (Post 35754070)
Sounds like a spun out article that's been worded to make them sound bad.

That was my thought as well...

Osem 21-01-2015 14:25

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UKIP and Farage are clearly such a political irrelevance that we keep getting threads about them and the main party leaders never waste an opportunity to insult something or other they've said or done. :)

It's almost as if the main parties don't think we're capable of judging whether UKIP's policies and promises are realistic or not. Wonder if they've ever considered that their own track records are such that even Farage appears a more attractive option.

richard s 21-01-2015 14:32

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35754103)
We should be able to vote for the one person we feel will work for the constituency.Sadly the majority just toe the party line,lie and promise anything and frequently don't actually live in the constituency they want to represent.Some even barely make it beyond a couple of hours attendance in the House of Commons.Just long enough to get paid.

Kind of makes it difficult to assess who is the best candidate..So most are stuck with the above suggestions..


Quite right Maggy, they should all be independent.

solitaire 21-01-2015 14:48

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35754065)
I will vote for them as i have no alternative, the others are just as bad as each other so i intend to waste my vote. I know ukip will not get in power but until we have a system that allows none of the above as a vote i will waste it on who ever i think cannot get in. I would have voted Tory but i cannot trust Cameron to do what he says and i will never trust liebour as they will just bankrupt us even more than last time.

Exactly my way of thinking. I'm sick and tired of the present washed up bunch of liars and rogues.

Taf 21-01-2015 14:55

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The "main" parties know that the electorate will just seesaw back and forth over the years as there was no real viable alternative. UKIP is making them think a bit differently because they are gaining popular votes around the country, derailing the Gravy Train that career politicians rely on.

After all, the main purpose of any politician is to get elected. After that, Party politics mean they don't have to stick to any pre-election promises at all.

Damien 21-01-2015 15:46

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35754210)
The "main" parties know that the electorate will just seesaw back and forth over the years as there was no real viable alternative. UKIP is making them think a bit differently because they are gaining popular votes around the country, derailing the Gravy Train that career politicians rely on.

After all, the main purpose of any politician is to get elected. After that, Party politics mean they don't have to stick to any pre-election promises at all.

I think they're joining the gravy train rather than derailing it.

TheDaddy 21-01-2015 22:10

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35754065)
I will vote for them as i have no alternative, the others are just as bad as each other so i intend to waste my vote. I know ukip will not get in power but until we have a system that allows none of the above as a vote i will waste it on who ever i think cannot get in. I would have voted Tory but i cannot trust Cameron to do what he says and i will never trust liebour as they will just bankrupt us even more than last time.

You might not have a good feeling leaving the polling station Bill, I didn't last time and I've voted for them in protest for years, never again though, I'm voting green this time round and will be for the foreseeable future

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35754241)
I think they're joining the gravy train rather than derailing it.

Fully paid up members, iirc they.claim the most!

Pierre 21-01-2015 22:36

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754173)
Slight difference in that UKIP had previously fooled a lot of people with their claims of being clean, honest and "anti-political".

I very much doubt they fooled anyone.

I think everyone sees UKIP for what and who they are, and that's the best bit, because people still vote for them. No matter what the main three parties say.

Because those people are sick of what the main three parties say, and do - because they do sod all.

Damien 22-01-2015 07:55

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35754372)
I very much doubt they fooled anyone.

I think everyone sees UKIP for what and who they are, and that's the best bit, because people still vote for them. No matter what the main three parties say.

Because those people are sick of what the main three parties say, and do - because they do sod all.

The main parties are constrained by the fact they'll actually have the chance to govern. It's much easier to pander to the gallery when your plans to make everything better will never have to face the realities of governance and budgets.

Besides I don't think people can legitimately claim to be offended of the behaviour of the main parties when the same behaviour is excused from UKIP.


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