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Mr Angry 20-01-2015 21:34

Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
"The six-year long British inquiry into the 2003 Iraq invasion and its aftermath will not be published before the general election, prompting an outcry from those demanding that the long overdue reckoning should be put before the voters.
Sir John Chilcot, the chairman of the inquiry, will set out his reasons for the further postponement in an exchange of letters with David Cameron on Wednesday. The inquiry was set up in 2009 and took public evidence from its last witness in 2011.

The prime minister has already expressed his personal frustration at the repeated delays, and a cross-party group of backbenchers had been due to stage a debate and vote in parliament on 29 January, demanding publication before the election.

Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time of the war, has insisted he is not the culprit behind the delay in publication; his allies have suggested the blame lies with the civil service and sensitivities about the relations between the UK and US intelligence agencies."


Hmmmm.

Damien 20-01-2015 21:47

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
I think most of us has figured it would be delayed until after the election once it got delayed this much. We probably won't know for a while who has actually delayed it. I think the Government would have preferred it to be delayed so that it doesn't become an issue during the campaign but I doubt they would have allowed the slightest hint of applying pressure for any delay. Blair, maybe, but he wouldn't be able to delay it indefinitely and considering the current leadership of the Labour party are not exactly his type then I don't see why he would care too much about the timing.

Maybe it is just a Nixon-esque concern over the conversations between Blair and Bush that is the issue.

Mr Angry 20-01-2015 21:53

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
Fair points, Damien.

TheDaddy 26-01-2015 01:42

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
How Tony sleeps at night is beyond me, Chilcot revelations aside

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...ret/ar-AA8vS8v

Sirius 26-01-2015 06:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35755223)
How Tony sleeps at night is beyond me, Chilcot revelations aside

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...ret/ar-AA8vS8v

I have always said that man should be tried for war crimes

Derek 26-01-2015 06:35

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35755223)
How Tony sleeps at night is beyond me

in a very expensive bed, under very expensive sheets, in (one of many) a very expensive house protected by taxpayer funded bodyguards.

TheDaddy 26-01-2015 07:20

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35755234)
in a very expensive bed, under very expensive sheets, in (one of many) a very expensive house protected by taxpayer funded bodyguards.

Let's be honest Derek he sleeps on a fat pile of cash paid for with the lives of others, I hopeful chilcot will bring him down a peg or two, doubt it'll lead to his comeuppance though sadly

Ignitionnet 26-01-2015 08:20

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35755234)
in a very expensive bed, under very expensive sheets, in (one of many) a very expensive house protected by taxpayer funded bodyguards.

I wouldn't be that surprised if he sleeps on a bed base made from the bones of Iraqi civilians and is out like a light every night thanks to a witch doctor's brew made from the tears of Iraqi orphans.

Osem 26-01-2015 08:27

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People like Blair, and his despicable spin doctors, have no trouble sleeping. They sleep just fine, as secure in their beds as they are in their certainty that they've done nothing wrong...

richard s 26-01-2015 10:04

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
British appeasement to the Yanks, would the Torys have done anything different if they were in power at the time.

Ignitionnet 26-01-2015 11:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35755262)
British appeasement to the Yanks, would the Torys have done anything different if they were in power at the time.

Nope. They voted for it too. Only the Lib Dems of the major 3 opposed it as I remember.

Hugh 26-01-2015 11:46

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
Figures on the vote here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2862397.stm

Ignitionnet 26-01-2015 12:08

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
I love data.

Given the party that supported the war most strongly were in fact the Tories any more party political points scoring to be done now?

Iraq was a mess, it was Labour's fault, the Conservatives could and should have done way better in opposition. Very little for either to be proud of in this regard.

The current Conservative administration wanted military action against the Assad regime in Syria. It seems likely the consequences of that would've been disastrous given the current environment there.

The Conservative party know they made mistakes, too, and are pursuing this from the angle of wanting transparency rather than wanting to string up Tony Blair.

The key thing about this is, after all, transparency. If it means that people who did wrong go to jail then whatever, but we have a right to know what happened when our country went to war in our name, funded by our taxes, and our friends, neighbours, family, our citizens died.

Mr Angry 26-01-2015 14:28

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
Yes, it's a rather inconvenient, and often overlooked, fact that the Tories were cheerleading in such numbers.

Sirius 26-01-2015 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35755327)
Yes, it's a rather inconvenient, and often overlooked, fact that the Tories were cheerleading in such numbers.

Thats as maybe but the buck stops at Blier he was the Prime Minister

Mr Angry 26-01-2015 16:04

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35755341)
Thats as maybe but the buck stops at Blier he was the Prime Minister

Just because it doesn't suit your narrative does not mean those who voted for it should be absolved of responsibility, does it?

heero_yuy 26-01-2015 17:13

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35755343)
Just because it doesn't suit your narrative does not mean those who voted for it should be absolved of responsibility, does it?

If they voted on the basis of lies and falsified "evidence" like dodgy dossiers then that releaves them of some of the responsibility. Nes Pa?

techguyone 26-01-2015 17:23

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Yes I'd agree, people can only vote on the facts presented, if those facts are false... the blame goes on whoever prepared those facts and the director behind that, not the people who voted.

TheDaddy 26-01-2015 17:32

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35755341)
Thats as maybe but the buck stops at Blier he was the Prime Minister

So the people that supported him are absolved of all responsibility and have no blood on their hands, how convenient for them

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35755376)
Yes I'd agree, people can only vote on the facts presented, if those facts are false... the blame goes on whoever prepared those facts and the director behind that, not the people who voted.

What about when those facts are so blatantly false a million people take to the streets, to my mind those mps you mention are either incompetent or in on it

Mr Angry 26-01-2015 17:41

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Given the fact that very considerable numbers of the public knew it was a load of lies and were very vocal about the fact then ignorance is no defence as far as voting politicians are concerned.

fatmat8 29-01-2015 16:42

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because it will show that politicians are all telling lies !

broadbandking 31-01-2015 11:02

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Originally Posted by fatmat8 (Post 35755988)
because it will show that politicians are all telling lies !

Everybody already knows that, I think is terrible that they can do just because it could hurt one of the parties, it should be released before we elect a new party because we will kick outrselves if the report comes out and it outlines the wrong doing by the party we have just elected

martyh 31-01-2015 12:57

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Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35756311)
Everybody already knows that, I think is terrible that they can do just because it could hurt one of the parties, it should be released before we elect a new party because we will kick outrselves if the report comes out and it outlines the wrong doing by the party we have just elected

Actually i agree that the report should not be released so close to a general election .The general election is about what the various parties are going to do in the next 5 yrs not what they did 10 yrs ago and mostly with different leaders in charge .It would be very unfair to the current leaders of the labour party to release the report at this time

Hugh 31-01-2015 13:25

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756321)
Actually i agree that the report should not be released so close to a general election .The general election is about what the various parties are going to do in the next 5 yrs not what they did 10 yrs ago and mostly with different leaders in charge .It would be very unfair to the current leaders of the labour party to release the report at this time

do you mean leaders like Yvette Cooper, Rosie Winterton, Vernon Coaker,who were members of the Labour Government in 2003 and are now in the Labour Shadow Cabinet?

martyh 31-01-2015 13:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35756326)
do you mean leaders like Yvette Cooper, Rosie Winterton, Vernon Coaker,who were members of the Labour Government in 2003 and are now in the Labour Shadow Cabinet?

No, i mean the members who had nothing to do with that period ,also lets not forget that most of the decisions where based on false information put forward by Blair .Of course the report should be published ,indeed it really should have been published long before now but releasing it now would not be in the countries best interest with a general election looming

papa smurf 31-01-2015 15:33

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could someone lift the corner of the carpet while the truth is swept under it until its convenient to bring it out ;)

martyh 31-01-2015 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756352)
could someone lift the corner of the carpet while the truth is swept under it until its convenient to bring it out ;)

Nobodies suggesting the truth is swept under a carpet ,it should have been revealed a long time ago but at this critical time for our country is tearing it apart with revalations of lies and cover ups really a good idea ,after all we all know that Blair embelished the truth but Blair isn't standing in the general election and i'm sure that most peoples priority in the coming 100 days is who will give us the best government not the results of the Chilcot report

papa smurf 31-01-2015 19:00

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756387)
Nobodies suggesting the truth is swept under a carpet ,it should have been revealed a long time ago but at this critical time for our country is tearing it apart with revalations of lies and cover ups really a good idea ,after all we all know that Blair embelished the truth but Blair isn't standing in the general election and i'm sure that most peoples priority in the coming 100 days is who will give us the best government not the results of the Chilcot report

the truth is always a good idea even if it is inconvenient .

martyh 31-01-2015 19:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756391)
the truth is always a good idea even if it is inconvenient .

Not denying that

papa smurf 31-01-2015 19:09

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756393)
Not denying that

just trying to justify suppressing it due to the election

martyh 31-01-2015 19:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756396)
just trying to justify suppressing it due to the election

I think it more important that we get the leadership we want from the election based on policies not what a government did in a past decade .As far as i know Milliband played no part in Blairs decision but would undoubtedly be found guilty by association by some voters.Besides i think it an important issue and one that should not be clouded by media coverage of the genaral election

papa smurf 31-01-2015 19:22

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756398)
I think it more important that we get the leadership we want from the election based on policies not what a government did in a past decade .As far as i know Milliband played no part in Blairs decision but would undoubtedly be found guilty by association by some voters.Besides i think it an important issue and one that should not be clouded by media coverage of the genaral election

voting labour ? perchance

martyh 31-01-2015 19:38

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756399)
voting labour ? perchance

Unless Milliband comes up with some grounbreaking policy(doubtful) i will most likely vote conservative.

papa smurf 31-01-2015 19:44

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35756402)
Unless Milliband comes up with some grounbreaking policy(doubtful) i will most likely vote conservative.

that's two votes he won't be getting then .

Sirius 31-01-2015 19:59

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35756405)
that's two votes he won't be getting then .

I was never going to vote for Millibore anyway and the chilcot report is not the reason why. It all has to do with what Labour did to this country the last time they were in power and i would hope most would take that into account not this report about Bliar and his bare faced lies.

papa smurf 31-01-2015 20:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35756415)
I was never going to vote for Millibore anyway and the chilcot report is not the reason why. It all has to do with what Labour did to this country the last time they were in power and i would hope most would take that into account not this report about Bliar and his bare faced lies.

people seem to always forget the last balls up and believe the pre election drivel that politicians promise but never deliver after the election .

Damien 31-01-2015 22:31

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How damning do people really expect this report to be?

I think if there was anything really groundbreaking then it would have leaked already. I suspect it's going to be a rehash of what is already known maybe with a critical approach to the relationship between Blair and Bush and the style of Government.

TheDaddy 31-01-2015 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35756415)
I was never going to vote for Millibore anyway and the chilcot report is not the reason why. It all has to do with what Labour did to this country the last time they were in power and i would hope most would take that into account not this report about Bliar and his bare faced lies.

Yeah that's why I don't vote tory, Ted heath leading us by the nose into Europe on a lie that and John majors handling of the economy :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35756440)
How damning do people really expect this report to be?

I think if there was anything really groundbreaking then it would have leaked already. I suspect it's going to be a rehash of what is already known maybe with a critical approach to the relationship between Blair and Bush and the style of Government.

I predict no more than inconvenience for them, it's better than nothing though

TheDaddy 02-09-2015 03:19

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35756444)
I predict no more than inconvenience for them, it's better than nothing though

Might have to rethink my prediction if Jezza ever gets in, if I thought he meant it I'd vote for him on this alone

Tony Blair should stand trial on charges of war crimes if the evidence suggests he broke international law over the “illegal” Iraq war in 2003, the Labour leadership frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn has said.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-jeremy-corbyn

Derek 09-05-2016 17:06

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36251346

Quote:

Iraq report to be published 6 July
I fully expect Tony Blair to throw his weight behind the EU leave campaign in the hope that anything will take the inevitable bad headlines away from him.

Taf 09-05-2016 18:02

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Iraq report to be published 6 July
Which year?

Osem 09-05-2016 19:57

Re: Chilcot report on Iraq war delayed until after general election.
 
I think we should have an enquiry into why this one took so long.

Gary L 11-05-2016 00:20

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35836553)
I think we should have an enquiry into why this one took so long.

That would be just as much of a waste of money as an enquiry into why and what you post being dribble :D

good idea though....

ianch99 11-05-2016 06:42

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35836832)
That would be just as much of a waste of money as an enquiry into why and what you post being dribble :D

good idea though....

Given the number of posts this enquiry may take the same number of years ... although given the amount of repetition, it could be less :)


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