TV Debates: 'Go To Court', Greens Told
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1410236/tv...rt-greens-told

The reason why Cameron wont go to the debates, as the Green Party hasn't been invited.

Is simply because the Green party, is no one in the big ring.
Cameron is running scared and losing his bottle. Am l whinging again - Yes. Because, Lib Dems will get crushed, Cameron will all most certainly lose power and it will be a coalition between Labour and UKIP.

Cameron should stand and give his reasons WHY he should be in power for another five years.

It didn't help when one of his colleagues, said recently that the government will bring in SUGAR Tax to stop obesity.

This country has MORE tax than any other country.

My message to Cameron - Stand if you have the bottle. A neighbour of mine has been a Tory voter all his life - this year, he is voting UKIP. As he has had enough of the Tory party.

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There's probably more chance of the greens proposing to scrap fuel duty than labour and ukip forming a coalition.

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So you think that two political parties with completely opposing ideologies are going to form a coalition ?

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Don't you feel the Conservatives are successfully steering the UK through an unparalleled economic crisis Arthur?

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There's still a few months of mud-slinging and other forms of personal attacks to go... it should get interesting as they can't do it successfully whilst dealing with the REAL WORLD problems we all face at the moment.

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Not a chance.

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Maybe i'm on my own in this but i actually think they have :shrug:

edit .....and i don't think he has anything to worry about with the other lot in a debate

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What Dave needs to do is make up loads of lies about what he's going to do when he gets back in power. and make it sound like we're all gonna die unless he and only he helps us live.
and that will only be achieved if we vote him back into power.

but I don't think that will happen (him getting back into power) so we're all going to die :(

because Dave is such a big fat prat. that nobody wants him back in power.

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Not on your own, I think they have too.

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Where do you think the money comes from to run the country, or as you so often put it, look after you and your family?

Taxes, or the magic money tree?

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Yea same here ........... i put my heart to the side when looking at things like this and use only my brain ...........

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The Green party excuse is pathetic. If he doesn't want to do it just say so. It'll be because Milliband is so low in the ratings and can only gain (even though though despite that, Labour still has a slight lead...)

The other parties should call his bluff and get the Greens invited, cue new excuse...

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I think Arthur would agree with taxes.

I think he was saying. what you have missed. we tax everything.

and that's because we're dumb British people that love to be treated like idiots. and taken advantage of.

Great British Poodle.

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Really ?? Even though they said they'd get rid of the deficit this parliament and it's increased despite all the cuts ??

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You expect an intelligent answer to that

:LOL:

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I'd rather have more of Cameron than Miliprat running the country even further into debt. That is the Labour governmental cycle. Borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Never thinking about HOW the borrowed money will be paid back.

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'Miliprat' - very cutting, Jeremy Paxman watch out !

Actually I think he 's an intelligent guy who you may or may not agree with, but suffers from presentational/image problems (which shouldn't matter, but does in this reality tv /x factor dumbed down society).

Do we really want media savvy/vacuous self interested card board cut outs like Cameron or Blair running the country again ?? One led us into an illegal pointless war, the other is slowly dismantling the health service, whilst and making the poor poorer and the rich richer.

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Surely, fellow members on this forum, doesn't want the country to backwards to the days when rationing was here.

This what Cameron wants, he wants the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer.

IF, Cameron gets back in, he has already said that there will be MORE CUTS, he is cutting the Ambulance Service, The police, will be cutting a further 5.000 officers off the streets, the Fire service will be getting cut.

Major Hospitals are closing. Do we all want this. Cameron is always gloating that he is increasing Aid to overseas countries. And yet his OWN people will suffer.

The poor are now getting more and more welfare cuts. And yet, people are saying Don't you think his policies are working.

I have a feeling that between now and election day, we will have stupid MPs and councillors coming to our doors - asking for our vote.

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What do you think Dave and Gideon have been doing apart from dragging the country deeper into debt. Fact is any recovery will be inspite of them not because of them, that said I don't blame Dave for not fancying the debates this time round, he saw for himself last time that there is next to nothing for the pm to gain from them and everything for his adversaries to.

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But Arthur, not so long ago Labour were saying they agreed with the Tories and that they would make cuts if elected. Apart from a few extreme cases, I don't seriously think this country is anywhere near rationing like it was back during the War.

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Neither - taxes on everyone else is I think his preferred option. Arthur's the product of Labour - quite possibly a budding front bench spokespersonmanwomanthing - what else do you expect? One day he might stop whining about just about everything, take responsibility for his own actions and cease expecting everyone else to look after him and his. That'll be the day he constructs and presents a cogent argument...

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A sugar tax is an excellent idea, the evidence suggests it would save the NHS a lot of money on obesity related diseases.

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/agr...t-finds-303748

As you have been told many times it's nonsense to claim we pay more tax than any other country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...centage_of_GDP

...we are actually below the G20 average now.

I see we're back to usual form though:

I had forgotten, taxes are fine when it's someone else paying them and they are being used to look after you and your family.

I'm trying to think of the word for someone who thinks others should subsidise their quality of life but can't quite place it.

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I could answer this in depth but I'm interested in whether or not Arthur will comment fully.

There are many quite factual reasons to disagree strongly with this statement. See if it reverts to 'Evil Tories.....'

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Milliband?

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Of course it is. DC doesn't want the debates to happen at all if he can help it - he has nothing to gain.

If he can get the Greens in it's purely for political reasons - if they have a good showing it will hurt Labour and split their vote, thus reducing the impact of UKIP on his vote.

As it is he's been told that if he doesn't want to do the debates at least one of them will happen with an empty chair in his place. These debates increase public engagement and are an important part of the democratic process now.

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Just in the name of balance you do know that Labour are going to be cutting as well if they get power, right?

Balls reaffirms Labour's commitment to cuts in 2015.

No poop, Sherlock. That's what they're supposed to do during a campaign :)

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Yes really!
Despite what labour luvies think they (the condems) have done, considering where labour left the country in 2010 they have done a reasonable job digging us out of the hole.

And Arthur, same crap different day, nothing changes with you, I admire your tenacity, your like a dog with 2 dicks where anything to do with the conservative are concerned.
You are the pit bull of cable forum, you got your teeth into something, latched on and you won't let go even tho people point out where your comments and information are flawed.

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This nonsense again.

I suggest you actually take a look at the latest budget figures for this country. If I had a quid for every time you mention the overseas development budget yet ignore the fact that even if every penny was spent on say, the NHS would still only receive the same level of funding as a share of GDP as 2009. That would ignore the deficit, education, and every other service cut since 2010.

The budget hasn't been balanced for a while, especially since the global financial crisis and cuts were needed. The argument of Lab vs Con isn't whether cuts are still needed, just where they cut.

Asking a loaded question like you did at the start will not work, we wont be returning to rationing unless if WW 3 broke out. Now, are we still in line for pretty heavy cuts to the public service, yes. Does it suck? Yes. The only way to avoid that is paying more taxes, which as Igni pointed out, as a share of GDP the UK pays less tax than average now in the G20.

So, more taxes, or more austerity, what would you prefer? If only Lab were brave enough to actually come out and say that.

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They actually have - more austerity from them, too. They're aiming to only borrow for capital expenditure while balancing the current budget.

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I think its gonna be a Labour/Conservative government and there will be nothing but internal fighting.

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Hoping everyone turns out to vote but expecting the usual third of the voting population being too apathetic to actually bother and we get another coalition of sorts..All bets are off on the actual parties concerned but it will be interesting.
What is certain is that we have too many weeks of really stupid personalised attacks on candidates.

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Is that supposed to be sticks? :)

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The old rock and a hard place. Either you increase taxes or increase cuts. Either way, people will suffer.

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the rich. A few percent on VAT or income tax or £250 a week mansion tax isn't really going to hurt the average millionaire, let alone some of the billionaires we have, but it can mean the difference between a poor person feeding themselves or clothing their kids.

Then again, I know a few poor people who have no trouble spending >£100 on a pair of trainers or getting the latest mobile.

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More chance of Satan ice skating over my frozen, atheist soul in hell to be honest.

May find a confidence and supply minority government appears for a little while until that breaks down and another election is held.

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Everyone vote independent or local party and then watch the "fun". No party in control.

Hard to read why Cameron wants the Greens in on the debate. Maybe so they can't complain they didn't get a proper voice. Maybe so he can reply with own green policies. Maybe to show they are really another left of centre group who would cost the average family money.

Likely to be to his advantage though.

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I think it's pretty transparent.

They'll pull votes from those however many misguided souls who think Labour bear any resemblance to the Labour Party of old, just as UKIP will pull some votes from those who think the Conservative Party bear any resemblance to the Conservative Party of old.