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At least 10 dead. :(

http://bbc.in/14mTd9T

Possibly too early to suggest motive but they have wound up followers of a certain religion recently with cartoons depicting a certain prophet.

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Now says 11 dead and 10 injured.

Horrific

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Muslims again.
I knew it before I read it.

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https://twitter.com/H_E_Samuel/statu...99804900663296

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I came home to find my missus in tears as her bro works in that area of Paris.

I hope these cowardly, murderous **** die horribly and slowly. Also those who aided, supported, trained and brainwashed them :mad:

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I really don't understand the mentality of people who can do this sort of thing, especially when the reason boils down to an attack on freedom of speech. Insulting the great God? Cartoons? Words written on paper? I'd have thought any God worthy the name would be above all that but then Gods can't choose their followers can they and it's quite clear how their word can be cynically misinterpreted by mortals...

The authorities here won't be wanting to cause panic but you have to wonder just how many of the attacks which have been foiled here in recent times could have resulted in carnage. I think we all need to accept that it's inevitable sooner or later.

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It will be interesting to see how the French react to this.
they'll react a lot more than the pansy British ever will.

I expect there will be more to come. and it will escalate.

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Breaking on Euronews is that there's something kicking off in the 11th Arrondissement area of Paris with numerous unmarked police cars having been seen in pursuit of something. Lets hope they've either got the murders or it's a false alarm as opposed to a second major incident.

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After seeing the murder of the injured Police officer with no hesitation or second thoughts I'm in no doubt the attackers have received some form of military training and battle hardening and wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if it turns out they have been in Syria in the recent past.

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News reports on French radio and TV are showing demands for "calm and order" following these obscene murders, but it is obvious that anti-muslim sentiment is ready to boil over countrywide. And maybe even Europe wide, a day after anti-islamification rallies in Germany were confronted by liberals demanding "calm and order".

WW3 is already in progress against an cowardly enemy that hides in plain sight amongst the masses of their "religion".

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But over-reaction (against the general Muslim population) is exactly what these terrorists/idiots want....

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The truth is that these **** would think nothing of murdering anyone who doesn't share their extreme views, other Muslims included. Decent people of all races and beliefs need to come together to root out and remove these people from society one way or another. I hope the extreme right wing politicians who've been gaining popularity don't fall into the trap which has been set for them.

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That may be the case but you can bet people will read into this that it is yet another act born about from there religion. I know its not because i know there just murdering *******s but when they use the name of what ever god they support whilst killing un believers then that’s how many will see it.

I hope the French find them and pop them sooner rather than later or they could drive through our border ports unchecked and do it in London.

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No they don't. no it's not. they don't want an over-reaction at all.

they're just brain dead people who think their actions will being everyone to their knees.

they just need exterminating. or put into a hospital where they can get help with their mental state.

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:confused: Try taking a look around the world. Are Boko Haram trying to provoke anything?

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Section in bold is the preferred option. The Libs will want them kept alive and jailed so they can do there time and then they can be released back into the community as fit citizens :rolleyes:.

Unfortunately that does not work with religious nut jobs who kill in the name of there God. The only way to deal with them is put them down like you would a rabid animal.

I feel sorry for the law abiding people who wish no harm on anyone but will be targeted now because of these religious nut jobs.

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Not much more to add to that. We must neither appease, as we may have been guilty of, or respond in kind.

We're better than that, and the Islamo-fascists who perpetrated this vile act.

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So one side continues the killings, other violent acts and, non violent acts that are taking over aspects of the countries, while the victims have to just let them?

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I didn't say anything about letting them and specifically said I was not in favour of appeasement.

I'm not in favour of genocide either though, hence the comment about not responding in kind.

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No.

You go after the killers. You don't go after innocent Muslims.

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Agreed but when you do get hold of them you make sure they can NEVER do it again and in my eyes there is only one SURE way of doing that and that is to put them down.

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Given how much they yearn for their 'paradise' putting them down will be giving them exactly what they want.

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France doesn't have the death penalty.

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I have friends who live in Paris and work in various areas of security and the one thing, aside from the evident professionalism with which this attack has been carried out, that is intriguing them is the fact that there is no evidence of an attempt at suicide on the part of the perpetrators. That's quite alarming as it would suggest they have more in store for the people of Paris and, in all probability, further afield.

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Fine by me at least they can NEVER do it again, the same cannot be said for jail as they could be released to do it again in the future.

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There don't need to, if you catch up with them and they end up in a shooting match just make sure they end up dead. Job done

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Encouraging others to do the same....

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IIRC the 7/7 bombers were called "nice" guys before the bombings. All those who have joined ISIS etc, were probably/mostly considered "nice" guys. Then consider incidents in Rotherham, Rochdale and around the country. If these are examples of the nice guys then.............

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I have no issue with the extermination of terrorists.

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i would extend that to their supporters as well .

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I'm not convinced that there are all that many innocent muslims. Even the moderates don't want to report suspicious activity to the authorities "a brother doesn't report on a brother" I was told.
Personally, I think it's a poisonous, evil religion.

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Even if by exterminating them more innocent people die?

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i second that

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As long as there are people on this planet there will be terrorists and as long as there are terrorists, innocent (and not so innocent) people will die. That's what terrorists do and that particular genie was let out of the bottle a very long time ago.

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Or i take it in your world let them kill us and do nothing about it. If we do nothing they will win every time. I don't beleave in the woolly liberal ideal that we must not drop to there level. I for one do not want them to grow bigger because we decided we would not deal with there threat by doing NOTHING. Exterminate them when ever we get the chance simples.

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Yes of course, that's exactly what I'm saying. Don't kill them, these people need to be sympathised with and understood etc etc :rolleyes:

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Dont worry i knew that all along :)

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What are you saying then? :confused:

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You really thought I was sticking up for them? :banghead:

I'm saying killing them is not the answer as it's giving them exactly what they want, thus encouraging more atrocities like today. Some people are clearly happy to pay that price (obviously as long as they themselves aren't caught up in it), I'm certainly not.

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Personally the press should NOT name the terrorists nor the group they belong to.

Naming them gives them notoriety.

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:nutter:

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Of course not. No one (except a muslim) could.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

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Agree with whatever you want. Encourage more innocent lives to be taken just to satisfy bloodlust brings people down to the level of these *******s today.

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Exterminating terrorists isn't to satisfy bloodlust, it's to ensure that they don't kill any more people.

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I think labelling such a large group like that is pretty dangerous. It's also the argument extremists use, that people are complicit in their association with the West. Either because of the Governments we elect, the things we believe or whatever other excuse they can find.

I don't think there is evidence is justify that anything other than a small minority of Muslims support these killers or wouldn't report them.

Either way such a belief means you stop viewing them as people with their own motivations, thoughts and nuances and start viewing them as a homogenous bloc. They're just a 'Muslim' and you think they're not innocent.

Every Christian I know differs from each other in many ways. The only unifying aspect is their religion and even then there are dramatic differences. The same would be true of Muslims. There is an interesting article from the summer about the lack of religious knowledge displayed by ISIS fighters: http://www.newstatesman.com/religion...radicalisation

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Killing them makes them think they'll be taken off to their 'paradise', giving them what they want. That'll surely encourage 7/7 type incidents. I don't remember the last time a fundamentalist got dispatched without at least trying to take some innocents with them. I'm sorry but I just can't agree with you that their deaths are a price worth paying just to stop further terrorist attacks.

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Obviously I haven't been able to verify this data for myself but have a read of this: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...nion-Polls.htm
I merely said 'I'm not convinced'.

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thereligionofpeace.com?

Pardon my being a cynic but they don't sound impartial...

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I did 5 tours in NI dealing with a terrorist threat and some of it in confrontations i wonder how many you have done or would do. i think i know what a terrorist threat is and what its like to be on the end of an attack. Even today i would not idly stand by and let the terrorists win. :mad:

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That's a good cartoon.

There are nice pictures from across France of people packing out wide spaces in solidarity with the magazine: https://twitter.com/Antoine_Specter/...044160/photo/1

It would be nice if all our newspapers tomorrow ran their cartoons in the front page. Although it's easy to say that when you're not the one who face the consequences I guess.

I think this South Park video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka3nKBR2mIU

:(

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What a way to completely miss the point. If you're happy for innocents to get killed to satisfy your bloodlust then fine, you're on your own with that one.

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the people who sort out these problems are always on their own its how people like you sleep at night comfy in the knowledge your doing nothing .

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"People like me". So does that mean you're out there hunting these **** down? Because from this vantage point I can't see you doing any more than anyone else on here.

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No one on here wants the terrorists to win and no one wants to kill innocents. Let's not go over the top.

I think the issue is how best to stop terrorists. We can't just fight everyone because they're not a nation state we can beat and win a war against. I don't have any problems with us fighting them when we need to but we probably need another approach as well to stop it for good, if that's even possible.

If these murderers in France can be detained without risk then that's what should happen. Like the UK France is a nation of laws and to execute people is against those laws. All of us are equal under the law and that's a principal we should protect. However if there is any risk to anyone and the police need to stop them with force then so be it, I have no problems with that either.

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Its not blood lust its making sure they cannot repeat there killings. Oh and innocents are getting killed now look at today for case in point. I so hope the french find them and pop them to stop them doing it again.

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Nice to see a good level headed post :tu:

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:tu:

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Excellent. And correct.

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Especially when you have those who would stick there heads in a bucket of sand and hope the terrorist go away.

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ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a...after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...t-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/po...cks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

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Good, then give them what they want

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It doesn't need it, it has armed police that have just seen one of their own executed

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Absolutely, these aren't brainwashed idiots in a vest.

These are trained combatants.

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You're happy with the likely death toll of innocents that would come with "giving them what they want"?

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I very rarely do this but... Change.org.

Not that it's likely of course, already self-censorship has been happening today.

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Signed

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We already have a death toll of innocents, however idly sitting by whilst the terrorists continue to kill innocents might fit in with your ideals but it certainly does not fit with me. I live in the real world not some rose tinted world you seem to think we live in.

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French security agencies have identified the gunmen who carried out the attack at Charlie Hebdo. Suspects ages 18, 32, 34.

Apparently.

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Who said sitting idly by fits my ideals?

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I bet they don't get to be 19, 33, 35 ;)

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I'm pretty convinced Isis, is or whatever having been trying to provoke a response from day one

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This is the trouble with discussing this subject on this forum ,people like you seem to think that because some don't advocate "all guns blazing executions" in reprisal that we are advocating "sitting idly by with our heads in the sand" .For every terrorist that is shot there may be ten more spring up because shooting said terrorist makes them a martyr which in a Muslims view will automatically dispatch them to Paradise and reagardless of what you think re Paradise it is what they think and believe that is important and must be understood fully in order to deal with them effectively

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Probably not - if they're as nuts as they seem to be they'll martyr themselves before they can be arrested.

Seems the wounded police officer they executed in cold blood as he lay on the street was a French Muslim named Ahmed Merabet.

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Shame imo if they don't, I tend to agree with Russ, them locked up and forgotten about till the day they die doesn't turn them into martyr's or satisfy their aims

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I'm pretty convinced that many have gone too far in the opposite direction, into downright appeasement, in an attempt to avoid a 'reaction'.

It really hasn't worked over the past couple of decades.

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another one for duck and cover :)

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That would be common sense. Shipped off to an Gitmo Bay kind of island for the rest of their lives would be better. Give them zero voice and allow them to be nicely forgotten about.

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As long as they were imprisoned there would be the real risk of hostage-taking for an exchange.

Muslims have a very long history of hostage-taking AFAIK.

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Which ISIS have been doing anyway irrespective of what we do. They hate us either way so we might as well honour our own values rather than theirs.

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How many were successful in getting released from Gitmo that way?

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:clap:

"If you're not 100% with us then you're 100% against us".

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we currently have about 12,000 Muslim prisoners in this country ,i don't remember the last time hostages where taken to try to secure their release

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How many of them are terrorists ?

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around a hundred

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:clap:

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Why would it? You said that they would welcome death.

I say fine, give them what they want then.

I'm not advocating the death of innocents.

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Hang on.Let's be careful about the language we use to describe those who committed this crime and that which we use in connection with those who are of the Muslim faith but are not terrorists of any sort.

As Stephen Fry has said in the past the nazis used certain words to dehumanise Jews and others they regarded as inferior so as to justify the final solution..Let' not start talking that way about people who will be just as horrified as we are about these particular attacks.

As Damien says let us hold to OUR values despite what certain factions try to do to make us abandon those values.

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I posted a lengthy list of research on muslim views about terrorism. It seems that a good number of them won't be particularly horrified.

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I personally don't want to dehumanize anyone. I just don't want to ignore a potential enemy within....

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Three Suspects Arrested in Deadly Charlie Hebdo Shooting
Don't know how true this is.....

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Because we would run the risk of them becoming martyrs and symbols for others to follow, not much symbolism rotting in a cell till the end of days. I'm surprised you'd advocate giving then what they want and thereby rewarding them for their atrocities, I'd rather punish them personally

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I don't really like our front pages tomorrow. Disappointing. Most of them all have a image of the police officer moments before he was shot. Not only is it tasteless but it's the wrong message to send. The best ones are either in Germany where they've reprinted the cartoons, France where they've cleared the front page to display a message of support, or 'The National' in Scotland which is displaying pictures of the people around Europe attending rallies.

The other British papers just went for the dramatic.

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The Independent led with a cartoon. Good for them.

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No it's not.
it's 1463.

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I should imagine the pictures are chosen to show the callousness of the killers. Were the killers callous? Yes, so the pictures are more than justified.

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Already conspiracies are floating around the internet about the whole incident - the fact the terrorists were masked and not immediately identifiable plus the "convenience" of one of them leaving an ID card in the car has led some people to compare it to how the passport of one of the 9/11 bombers was found under thousands of tonnes of rubble, and that the 3 people being sought are 'patsies'.

Or it could just be the French police and secret services have done their job well and fast...

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Which goes to show that some people, maybe a lot, believe what they want to believe. Virtually every IS image I've ever seen has shown them masked - maybe the beheadings aren't happening, maybe they're all agents of the west, maybe it's all a plot to demonise Islam... :rolleyes:

You only have to read and/or listen to the views of some people to realise that their minds are already made up and nothing we can do, no amount of reasoning or education after events such as this will alter that fact. These people are impervious to reason and are the ones who could well be joining the ranks of the extremists.

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Some newspapers have been reprinting the cartoons albeit not on the front page.

The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ophet-muhammad

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I'm astounded at how many think it's appropriate to publish the last seconds of an injured man pleading for his life. Having the 'offending' :rolleyes: cartoon prominently displayed would be far better IMO.

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Seven people have been arrested.
There has been another shooting in Paris in which two police officers have been reported to have been hit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...s-live-updates

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That's what I thought. Internationally the headlines were much better. Many German ones did republish the cartoons on their front page, others did some sort of tribute. A comic would be most appropriate even if it's not the offending one.

This one from the sports newspaper L'Equipe is good:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...01/1.jpg:small

or an image like this:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/01/31.jpg

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The National has its own particular interest in pushing the idea that rallies=popular support. Scots Nats still genuinely haven't got over the fact that big rallies in the middle of Glasgow didn't translate into a majority Yes vote last year. Given the reason that paper even exists, it's their motivation I find suspicious and slightly distasteful.

The rest of the British press has simply done what it does. There is plenty of time to chew over the implications for free speech and to show solidarity. The first editions after the massacre were always going to be about reporting the horror of what occurred, and rightly so.

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Exactly.

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No don't kill them, that's too easy: There are plenty of drugs around that will turn them into gibbering, incontinent idiots for the rest of their lives. A shining example to their followers of the retribution that will be meted out to them as well.

Sun is running some of them on its editorial comment page 6.