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alferret 01-01-2015 14:35

4k or 1080p
 
We have a reasonably good 42" 1080 lg TV but i keep hanging my nose over 50"+ 4k TV's. Is it worth at the moment getting 4k even tho I don't yet have any 4k content and/or do they upscale 720/1080 well enough to warrant the purchase.

alanbjames 01-01-2015 14:58

Re: 4k or 1080p
 
They do upscale to 1080 but i wouldnt warrent getting a 4k TV at the moment as the content is still very limited.

If u think about it 1080HD channels are still very limited at this time so its gonna be a good few years before 4K really takes off and by that time prices would have dropped and newer technology would have come along giving u more for your money.

Hom3r 01-01-2015 15:08

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It's catch 22, I heard that for the 2018/2022 world cup sony will be brold casting on 8k, I even head on tech shows 16k TVs being talked about.

I am referred to at work as The Geek as I love my technology, but 4k TVs are too big for my room.

idi banashapan 01-01-2015 15:56

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at this stage, 1080p. there isn't a lot of 4k content out yet that's easily available. at least, not without also upgrading AV amps, media players and the such as well in order to actually play it let alone any Sky or VM boxes which can actually do 4k.

much like HD when it first came out, by the time there is a lot of noteworthy content, prices will have come WAY down and the technology, such as the panels used and so on, will be much better.

as Hom3r pointed out, the world cup in 2018 may be broadcast in 4k, bu that's still 3 years away. a lot will (have to) change in that time, including (if you want to watch it in 4k) your Sky / VM tv box! But right now, you'll be paying a lot for 4k. if you put the same amount into a 1080p screen, it will be much better in terms of the tech and options - not all panels are made the same. Any Which? TV review will prove that to you.

4k WILL be the next step, unlike 3d and curved screens. 3d just isn't really worth the money (plus the complete lack of content once broadcasters realised it actually isn't all that). As for curved screens - what a waste of money. that really is just a gimmick to push sales until 4K takes off and becomes mainstream. it's one of those items that produces a lot of post-purchase justification from those who invested, but really, they are just suffering from cognitive dissonance because they fell for the marketing!

007stuart 01-01-2015 16:50

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It strikes me as strange when you see 4K TV's being advertised on the commercial channels and the voice over states "look at the difference in stunning 4K"

When I'm watching the advert on my middle of the road 4 yr old Toshiba?, aye right!

Kabaal 01-01-2015 17:10

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I'd be tempted to look at OLED when the new round of TV's come out in a few months over 4k. 'Supposedly' they'll be cheaper this year.

idi banashapan 01-01-2015 17:12

Re: 4k or 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35749766)
I'd be tempted to look at OLED when the new round of TV's come out in a few months over 4k. 'Supposedly' they'll be cheaper this year.

I certainly hope so. it gives an amazing quality of image.

Taf 01-01-2015 18:02

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How many pixels before your eyes can't tell the difference except on a screen the size of a stadium?

alferret 02-01-2015 10:57

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.
Think I'll hang on for a bit before getting a new TV then.
Although my TV is 4 years old it does deliver a good picture, although the sound is crap which is why we purchased a soundbar.

damien c 02-01-2015 15:34

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I have a 4K monitor on my pc and it's great for gaming but for films etc it is wasted.

Yes 1080p footage will scale up as much as possible however, you can tell the difference almost straight away when you look at it.

TV is broadcasted iirc in 1080i at most so a 1080p screen is already being wasted unless you watch alot of Blu-Ray films.

I would personally hold out and wait, till next year when hopefully they will not only be far cheaper but also becoming with more features and accept 60hz refresh rates without having to mess around.

Toto 02-01-2015 19:19

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"Hold" is definitely the mot juste at the moment.

qasdfdsaq 04-01-2015 20:47

Re: 4k or 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35749740)
Is it worth at the moment getting 4k even tho I don't yet have any 4k content and/or do they upscale 720/1080 well enough to warrant the purchase.

Definitely no. Most current 4K TVs will not be able to play copy-protected 4K content once it is available.

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Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35749766)
I'd be tempted to look at OLED when the new round of TV's come out in a few months over 4k. 'Supposedly' they'll be cheaper this year.

There will not be any new OLED TVs this year. All OLED manufacturers have abandoned development temporarily in favour of QD 4K TVs.

muppetman11 04-01-2015 21:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35750335)
Definitely no. Most current 4K TVs will not be able to play copy-protected 4K content once it is available.

Quite a lot of the current 4K TV's available for purchase are hdcp 2.2 compatible.

Kabaal 04-01-2015 21:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35750335)
There will not be any new OLED TVs this year. All OLED manufacturers have abandoned development temporarily in favour of QD 4K TVs.

Incorrect, the same company that were pushing them last year are bringing out new ones this year at supposedly lower prices, LG. The focus is switching to QD but LG are still trying push OLED forward.

qasdfdsaq 04-01-2015 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35750350)
Incorrect, the same company that were pushing them last year are bringing out new ones this year at supposedly lower prices, LG. The focus is switching to QD but LG are still trying push OLED forward.

Even LG are concentrating on quantum dot 4K.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/l...d-tvs-for-2015

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35750349)
Quite a lot of the current 4K TV's available for purchase are hdcp 2.2 compatible.

Actually you're right, most of the recent models are 2.2 capable now. Most AV receivers still aren't though.

Stephen 04-01-2015 22:26

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That article actually states that LG will be launching a few QD sets but to compliment their other range including OLED of which they will be launching new ones at a cheaper price than last year.

From this article

http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/03/l...-lcd-promises/

Quote:

The LG Display arm that supplies its screens is promising a slew of new OLED panels at this year's CES show,
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CES 2015 will have the first curved 55-inch Ultra HD OLED, plus a few other sizes (like the 65-incher above) and variants between flat and curved.

qasdfdsaq 04-01-2015 22:30

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To complement their "existing" OLED... We all know demo units at CES does not equate to actual products on the shop floor anytime soon, despite what the PR department claim. After all OLEDs have been all the rage at CES since 2007 and we still only have one model available at mainstream UK retailers.

Kabaal 05-01-2015 09:06

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Not sure what you are on about qas. You stated that "There will not be any new OLED TVs this year." when clearly there will be, in fact it's one of the main talking points for CES. And there's hardly only one model available from last year, there are 2 x 55" 1080ps, 65" 4k and 77" 4k models all in stock at richer sounds right now.

qasdfdsaq 05-01-2015 20:01

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Richer sounds has a grand total of two stores in this country and with the nearest being 125 miles away I would hardly call them mainstream.

As for talking points for CES, perhaps you need a reality check. Please re-read my last message. TVs that were the main talking point at CES four years ago still aren't available to buy.

Stephen 05-01-2015 20:04

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But LG do plan on releasing to retail more OLED TVs this year.

Richer Sounds are a big company, just not in Scotland right this moment.

However Currys do sell at least three of those models too.

qasdfdsaq 05-01-2015 20:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35750544)
But LG do plan on releasing to retail more OLED TVs this year.

For the third time, they've been "planning on releasing" OLED TVs since I was a teenager... I'm still waiting...

Quote:

Richer Sounds are a big company, just not in Scotland right this moment.
Indeed, their nearest store in Scotland is barely larger than the size of the iPhone section in your average Carphone Warehouse.

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However Currys do sell at least three of those models too.
Two of which are completely out of stock across the whole UK and the third has no availability in any of my 3 nearest Currys stores. And that was the one announced in 2011.

Regardless, no matter how many small exceptions you pick out, the availability of OLED TVs has proven to be far short of that boasted about at CES year after year.

Epson announced three OLED TVs in 2004, claiming they would reach mainstream commercialization by 2007.
LG also announced their first OLED TV in 2004. Samsung released a 40" one in 2005. The same year NEC claimed OLED would be a major player by 2011 at the latest.

Sure LG plan on "releasing" more TVs this year. Like they did at CES 2009. Then again at CES in 2010.. And then again at CES 2011. Along with Mitsubishi. And again in CES 2012. As did Samsung. And re-released the same TV again at 2013. And again at CES 2014.

They must have re-announced a dozen OLED TVs at CES four or five times now yet have barely able to bring just one to market. And the 77" 4K OLED they showed off in 2013 is still not available to buy.

Stephen 06-01-2015 01:37

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Remember though there are two seperate LG companies. The display company that actually design and manufacture the panels and the actual retail company.

So whilst its probably been the Display company showing off their new tech and what they can do with said tech. Its a totally different matter if the retail company won't to build a product and take it to market.

However regarding this years CES I do believe we will see some new and hopefully cheaper products that will come to retail this year.

Also having used RS in Glasgow many times it isn't the biggest store but they are very helpful and have made the store bigger over the last 2 years.


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